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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 22:44:34 GMT
Thats simply not true though as he is stuck with loads of players still under contract who cant cut it in league one. If he gets rid of Payne, recruits reasonably well and adopts a passing game, I see no reason why we shouldn't achieve mid table next season. Aside from Payne and possibly Mensah and Matthews, I'm not sure who from the current first team squad cannot cut it at this level. The concern for me is that he's let go of one or two who can. Partington,reilly and nichols in my view at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 22:46:15 GMT
Getting Payne out the club would be as good as a new signing, bad for morale and ties up part of budget than could be better used. Trouble is I think he will hold out for a pay-off before he moves. How we ever agreed to pay £200k for him I'll never know and he will probably cost the same again in wages and pay-off before he's gone. Messes up a big part of CG budget for next year. Whilst I'm not a fan of Payne so far, how is he bad for morale? Only asking as I've not heard anything apart from terrace talk? Any proof? 13 Clubs in 10 years not counting loans says it all... Oh yes, went AWOL in London with a tummy upset...disciplined for abusing fans ...I'll say no more...
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 23:02:26 GMT
If he gets rid of Payne, recruits reasonably well and adopts a passing game, I see no reason why we shouldn't achieve mid table next season. Aside from Payne and possibly Mensah and Matthews, I'm not sure who from the current first team squad cannot cut it at this level. The concern for me is that he's let go of one or two who can. Partington,reilly and nichols in my view at the very least. Fair enough, although it's GC offering Partington a new deal, so he's hardly been saddled with DC's squad there. I'd disagree about the ability of all three but even if they are not up to this level, we're still not talking about the bulk of the squad. By the start of next season, Coughlan will have moved some on, signed some to add to his signings of JCH and Ogogo, have made decisions to keep the likes of Parts, James Clarke, Kilgour, Rollin etc and kept some of our more established players who are clearly good enough for this league, i.e. Craig, THD, Ollie Clarke, Sercombe, Rodman, Kelly, Upson. The vast bulk of our squad next season will be here because GC wants them here and he should be judged accordingly on their performance.
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Post by irenegas on May 9, 2019 0:56:01 GMT
The thing is I can understand Lines and Locks but Sinclair is worth having around for his work in the community and as an example to young players breaking through on how to apply yourself He's a professional footballer not a social worker! The man still wants to play football
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Post by Congas on May 9, 2019 5:34:19 GMT
JCH and Payne up front could work out. Funny old game.
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Post by blueridge on May 9, 2019 5:51:09 GMT
Stirring or ITK, Knowall? Time will tell Gassy 8/11 with Sky - evens with BetVictor. Clear favourite. If he goes it will say a lot about this club, sadly.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 9, 2019 6:30:05 GMT
8/11 with Sky - evens with BetVictor. Clear favourite. If he goes it will say a lot about this club, sadly. I dunno it's a bit of a wierd one. It's literally his dream job and had it come up around the same time Darrell had gone I'm sure he'd have gone there instead. Plus he's not exactly loved by our fans either. People hardly seemed concerned by his potential departure yet Plymouth fans have been clamouring for him for months. He's on a hiding to nothing here and a few bad results i can see it turning sour pretty quick and the "I told you so" brigade will be out in force. Might be better for all involved if he went there.
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Post by philbemmygas on May 9, 2019 7:14:07 GMT
8/11 with Sky - evens with BetVictor. Clear favourite. If he goes it will say a lot about this club, sadly. I dunno it's a bit of a wierd one. It's literally his dream job and had it come up around the same time Darrell had gone I'm sure he'd have gone there instead. Plus he's not exactly loved by our fans either. People hardly seemed concerned by his potential departure yet Plymouth fans have been clamouring for him for months. He's on a hiding to nothing here and a few bad results i can see it turning sour pretty quick and the "I told you so" brigade will be out in force. Might be better for all involved if he went there. Would be a sad day if the manager is forced out of the club by dissenting fans; bloke worked miracles to keep us up and deserves the opportunity to build his own team/squad. If it all goes t*ts up then move him on at Christmas.
I have seen plenty of posts both for and against the retained list on other forms of social media; many of us would pay to play for the Gas. Lets see how the summer goes before judging the bloke
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Post by Topper Gas on May 9, 2019 7:28:40 GMT
I remember Stu running up to the Thatchers end after our first game at the Mem against Grimsby in our conference season (which I think was on BT sports?) He spent time signing pictures and talking to fans.I Watched him for a few mins and knew that we would be ok that season as this/or he was the type of person and player DC was bringing in. His energy and passion were worth as much as Matty Taylors 20 odd goals that season and during our double season..( BTW You fart catchers on OTIB - as no doubt this will end up on there 👌👎👏💏 thats not a knock at the snake..) but his worth to us was just as important those seasons. I would have loved to seen him stay here as a back up, more so than Locks as the latter is going for the money while Sincs loves the game and playing for our club. If I was Yeovil I would be straight on the phone trying to snap him up.He is local,and even if his injurys and legs are not of L1 standard now, for a L2 or Conference side he would be great. I hope one day he could end up back here as a fitness coach or kitman just based on his passion and personality alone!! I also wish Lines,Locks and Leads all the best.All legends and heros for our club over the past 5 seasons! Agree with much of this, but really harsh to say Locks is off for the money. Surely he has earned the right to take a chance playing at a higher level? It still doesn't alter the fact he stitched us up running down his contract once he turned 24 and will now no doubt warn a small fortune in the next couple of seasons as a free agent, meanwhile Sincs will probably have to take a pay cut to get a new deal.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 9, 2019 7:33:55 GMT
8/11 with Sky - evens with BetVictor. Clear favourite. If he goes it will say a lot about this club, sadly. I dunno it's a bit of a wierd one. It's literally his dream job and had it come up around the same time Darrell had gone I'm sure he'd have gone there instead. Plus he's not exactly loved by our fans either. People hardly seemed concerned by his potential departure yet Plymouth fans have been clamouring for him for months. He's on a hiding to nothing here and a few bad results i can see it turning sour pretty quick and the "I told you so" brigade will be out in force. Might be better for all involved if he went there. I guess Plymuff fans only know him as a player not heard his post match interviews, we loved Steve Elliott but had no idea how he'd perform in post match interviews if he ever became our manager or even what tactics his team would use. Although our owners seem to like to leave everything to the managers and never seem to give them any support in the press etc.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 9, 2019 7:36:31 GMT
Agree with much of this, but really harsh to say Locks is off for the money. Surely he has earned the right to take a chance playing at a higher level? It still doesn't alter the fact he stitched us up running down his contract once he turned 24 and will now no doubt warn a small fortune in the next couple of seasons as a free agent, meanwhile Sincs will probably have to take a pay cut to get a new deal. It's not 1965 any more. If a player is worth something, they are worth something. Just like in any other field. The classist attitude of the past, where because players were generally working class they weren't given the same sort of respect as professionals in other fields, and they weren't given what they were actually worth to their employers is gone. You still get a residue of this attitude in the press, with articles sneering about how much money young professionals are paid, but you should not fall for this and you shouldn't buy into it. If some lady garden buying and selling futures or some lady garden buying and selling properties can demand what they're worth and get it, then some lady garden kicking a ball around can do that too. Just coz they're generally working class and they play a working class sport and are generally watched by their working class peers, doesn't mean they're not worth the going rate. Right comrade?
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Post by z1zou on May 9, 2019 7:39:56 GMT
JCH and Payne up front could work out. Funny old game. I've also said this. But it's wishful thinking isn't it
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Post by cj on May 9, 2019 9:18:14 GMT
Lack of class shown in the abrupt mention of Lockyer's, Sinclair's and Lines' departures. On the BCFC site they gave details of departing players and gave fulsome thanks for their contributions over their times at the club. Basically all we've done is said thanks and goodbye. Here are a few clips that might turn your frown upside down!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 9, 2019 9:26:11 GMT
It still doesn't alter the fact he stitched us up running down his contract once he turned 24 and will now no doubt warn a small fortune in the next couple of seasons as a free agent, meanwhile Sincs will probably have to take a pay cut to get a new deal. It's not 1965 any more. If a player is worth something, they are worth something. Just like in any other field. The classist attitude of the past, where because players were generally working class they weren't given the same sort of respect as professionals in other fields, and they weren't given what they were actually worth to their employers is gone. You still get a residue of this attitude in the press, with articles sneering about how much money young professionals are paid, but you should not fall for this and you shouldn't buy into it. If some lady garden buying and selling futures or some lady garden buying and selling properties can demand what they're worth and get it, then some lady garden kicking a ball around can do that too. Just coz they're generally working class and they play a working class sport and are generally watched by their working class peers, doesn't mean they're not worth the going rate. Right comrade? The point was more about the club trying to make out Brown and Locks were some kind of hero's at the end of the last couple of seasons when they left, when in truth all the were doing was leaving to seek better riches elsewhere. Locks really grates with me as w/o Rovers taking him on when Cardiff showed him the door at 16 he might not even have had a football career.
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Post by cj on May 9, 2019 9:29:52 GMT
It does make me laugh how we almost went down this season but for the impact of the new manager and JCH, and to some extent Ogogo and yet there are plenty on here who don't understand/accept why we are releasing a good chunk of the first team squad. It's evolution (sorry about that one !) - GC trying to clear out non-starting players ( I'd guess that none of them started more than 20 league games this season) so he can get some new (better) players in. He's also got a handful - players he shipped out on loan and possibly a few regulars (Nichols) who he'll try to move on. If the new signings are anything like JCH and Ogogo then I'm much more confident we can finish top half next season instead of looking relegation certs like back in December ! Utg ! Maybe because since GC took over, if the season started then, we would have finished 8th. Not bad with only 1 striker who can score.
Maybe we should try to retain what we have but strengthen where needed. So get rid of Payne, Bennett, Matthews and Mensah who probably don't have a future here with us. Ship out Nichols too. From the wages saved from these 5 players, get in a new striker who can actually score more than 1 goal, to take the pressure off Clarke-Harris. And replacements for Lines and Lockyer and the wages those 2 were on, im sure we can find good replacements. And sort the keeper situation too, which could be Bonham, using the wages saved from Slocombe and Smith.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 9, 2019 9:32:41 GMT
It's not 1965 any more. If a player is worth something, they are worth something. Just like in any other field. The classist attitude of the past, where because players were generally working class they weren't given the same sort of respect as professionals in other fields, and they weren't given what they were actually worth to their employers is gone. You still get a residue of this attitude in the press, with articles sneering about how much money young professionals are paid, but you should not fall for this and you shouldn't buy into it. If some lady garden buying and selling futures or some lady garden buying and selling properties can demand what they're worth and get it, then some lady garden kicking a ball around can do that too. Just coz they're generally working class and they play a working class sport and are generally watched by their working class peers, doesn't mean they're not worth the going rate. Right comrade? The point was more about the club trying to make out Brown and Locks were some kind of hero's at the end of the last couple of seasons when they left, when in truth all the were doing was leaving to seek better riches elsewhere. Locks really grates with me as w/o Rovers taking him on when Cardiff showed him the door at 16 he might not even have had a football career. Yeah, it was nothing to do with your post, really. I just felt like having a rant.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 17:56:27 GMT
It's not 1965 any more. If a player is worth something, they are worth something. Just like in any other field. The classist attitude of the past, where because players were generally working class they weren't given the same sort of respect as professionals in other fields, and they weren't given what they were actually worth to their employers is gone. You still get a residue of this attitude in the press, with articles sneering about how much money young professionals are paid, but you should not fall for this and you shouldn't buy into it. If some lady garden buying and selling futures or some lady garden buying and selling properties can demand what they're worth and get it, then some lady garden kicking a ball around can do that too. Just coz they're generally working class and they play a working class sport and are generally watched by their working class peers, doesn't mean they're not worth the going rate. Right comrade? The point was more about the club trying to make out Brown and Locks were some kind of hero's at the end of the last couple of seasons when they left, when in truth all the were doing was leaving to seek better riches elsewhere. Locks really grates with me as w/o Rovers taking him on when Cardiff showed him the door at 16 he might not even have had a football career. I don't understand this. Sure, we gave him a chance but he's also given us 250 odd games and 100% commitment. As for him maybe not having a career, he does have talent which surely would have seen him picked up somewhere. I say good luck to him. He has the potential to play at a higher level and has a burgeoning international career to think about. Yes, he'll earn more money doing so. Why shouldn't he? He's been great for us and deserves his move.
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