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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 7:08:18 GMT
Julian, hope you are well mate. To your questions, I think the SC is a great idea and done many great things for the club over the decades and some of members are still trying this today. We have fan unrest now, where was the SC protest, demanding of answers when we were relegated to the Conference? You yourself were vehemently against Nick Higgs in the end, your SC did nothing, not even a statement. Nick said there would be a thorough review with no stone unturned, did we get it, did the SC ask why we never got it? NO Ken continued to sit with those directors and even share lifts to away games with them. The SC is not independent, it’s attached to the Rovers board. It’s always been felt we are better knowing what’s going on, but not once like other clubs, Charlton or Bolton have they demanded answers let’s alone a protest. They could be asking now like Cov City fans of Susu, where is the ground, how are we covering the £3.4 million debt? Looks at this, we can’t even make contact with the figurehead of the organisation, am I wrong to ask them to come into 2019 bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/I can tweet my local MP right now, but Ken is above contact Lastly, regardless of what we think of the current board, all the Brookmam and Day stuff, yes it’s sad but I can’t take it anymore. Both choose to resign but both were never going to get us a ground and board like at Ashton Gate. We are living in the past, Gorringe is making ruthless decision, the local Labour council is in uproar Liverpool have sold Melwood training ground yesterday to a housing company, life goes on and it has to if you want to be successful!
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Post by glengas on Aug 2, 2019 8:00:42 GMT
Julian, hope you are well mate. To your questions, I think the SC is a great idea and done many great things for the club over the decades and some of members are still trying this today. We have fan unrest now, where was the SC protest, demanding of answers when we were relegated to the Conference? You yourself were vehemently against Nick Higgs in the end, your SC did nothing, not even a statement. Nick said there would be a thorough review with no stone unturned, did we get it, did the SC ask why we never got it? NO Ken continued to sit with those directors and even share lifts to away games with them. The SC is not independent, it’s attached to the Rovers board. It’s always been felt we are better knowing what’s going on, but not once like other clubs, Charlton or Bolton have they demanded answers let’s alone a protest. They could be asking now like Cov City fans of Susu, where is the ground, how are we covering the £3.4 million debt? Looks at this, we can’t even make contact with the figurehead of the organisation, am I wrong to ask them to come into 2019 bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/I can tweet my local MP right now, but Ken is above contact Lastly, regardless of what we think of the current board, all the Brookmam and Day stuff, yes it’s sad but I can’t take it anymore. Both choose to resign but both were never going to get us a ground and board like at Ashton Gate. We are living in the past, Gorringe is making ruthless decision, the local Labour council is in uproar Liverpool have sold Melwood training ground yesterday to a housing company, life goes on and it has to if you want to be successful! You can make ruthless decisions but still try to treat people with respect, especially if they have a long association with the club. If you don’t want to behave like that they don’t be surprised when you alienate certain parts of the fan base.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 8:32:23 GMT
Julian, hope you are well mate. To your questions, I think the SC is a great idea and done many great things for the club over the decades and some of members are still trying this today. We have fan unrest now, where was the SC protest, demanding of answers when we were relegated to the Conference? You yourself were vehemently against Nick Higgs in the end, your SC did nothing, not even a statement. Nick said there would be a thorough review with no stone unturned, did we get it, did the SC ask why we never got it? NO Ken continued to sit with those directors and even share lifts to away games with them. The SC is not independent, it’s attached to the Rovers board. It’s always been felt we are better knowing what’s going on, but not once like other clubs, Charlton or Bolton have they demanded answers let’s alone a protest. They could be asking now like Cov City fans of Susu, where is the ground, how are we covering the £3.4 million debt? Looks at this, we can’t even make contact with the figurehead of the organisation, am I wrong to ask them to come into 2019 bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/I can tweet my local MP right now, but Ken is above contact Lastly, regardless of what we think of the current board, all the Brookmam and Day stuff, yes it’s sad but I can’t take it anymore. Both choose to resign but both were never going to get us a ground and board like at Ashton Gate. We are living in the past, Gorringe is making ruthless decision, the local Labour council is in uproar Liverpool have sold Melwood training ground yesterday to a housing company, life goes on and it has to if you want to be successful! You can make ruthless decisions but still try to treat people with respect, especially if they have a long association with the club. If you don’t want to behave like that they don’t be surprised when you alienate certain parts of the fan base. Both choose to resign, neither were sacked? The club saved over £20,000 a year on just the programme design and printing and this was just a part of Keith’s job and he was still being taken on as editor. I don’t why Keith left or Nick but I am dealing with football clubs personally who are hammering me down to pennies and not just pounds! Look at the club shop, the commercial side of the business, Tom Gorringe for his part had to make changes to bring us into the future. If you know why they left then fair enough, we don’t
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 2, 2019 8:41:09 GMT
Paul, you obviously never had the away experience of the SC when at Eastville. Why such venom please ? Yes, they are dated but all fervent rovers supporters. We now have seen the club sever ties with them, get rid of a a great man in Keith Brookman, also Nick day and now screen soccer. Don’t you think it’s poor form to be cutting ties with people who have been loyal servants and volunteers, not paid. I know some say we need dragging into a contemporary club but I think it’s bad when you do it to loyal fans, fans who have raised not insignificant amounts for the club. Helpline were not allowed to have a stall at the open day and they have paid in more than the share scheme. What would you suggest replace the funds generated then ? And that is the problem KP. The SC and their members are living in a past golden era where they were once the young guns with a force for good. Times have changed, the club has moved on but the SC has been left where it started and It’s now turned into a bitter old boys club with a major sulk on. Loyalty I agree is important, but in business you cannot stand still or be stagnant. The club has moved forward commercially with TG and the SC should look to encourage a younger generation and appoint someone more dynamic to make the club more relevant to its support base. But the leaders of it in JC and KM don’t have the humility to step aside or relinquish some responsibility to allow that to happen, god forbid they lose their seats at the top table. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be thankful to such people, but when these people start causing trouble, they are tarnishing their own reputations and undoing any good they have previously done. By your comments below you actually think that rather than move the club forward, and if that means a change of personnel to make that happen, then it’s better the club stands still and falls behind, just out of sheer loyalty? Isn’t that how we have gotten so far behind in the first place? As far as I can see, once a person has left, the next person that has come in has brought fresh ideas and improvements on what was there before. And I have no doubt that whoever will replace screen soccer will bring a fresher approach including commentary (which I found to be annoying) I am not surprised that the club did not allow any other organisation to have a stall at the open day when Hamer has been infiltrating these clubs and using them to cause trouble. Like I’ve said previously, there are 25+ home games which draw a much bigger audience than the open day where the SC could have and make a much bigger presence and have more foot fall than the open day. Even their new website could be much more dynamic and interactive than it is now instead of being just a fresher news reel mainly of regurgitated information mostly from the club site. I have lots of ideas for it, but I wouldn’t dream of joining it whilst JC and KM are there because nothing would get implemented. It would be pointless. All of your vitriol towards the SC seems to be based on your belief that they are causing trouble for the club simply because they have been denied privileges they previously enjoyed under previous owners. You seem to suggest that because of that they are plotting with Hamer to split the fan base and destroy the club. Sounds completely implausible to me. Sounds more like the view of an owner under attack trying to dismiss his detractors as bitter lunatics because they are not onside with his delusions. Firstly there is a big difference between definition of Club and Owners. Not supporting the the owners is not the same as not supporting the Club. It is not our duty as supporters to blindly support the owners of our club and that certainly didn’t happen with Higgs and it certainly shouldn’t be happening now either. I went to a very feisty public SC meeting at the Mem just after our relegation to non league and Higgs and Watola got asked lots of very uncomfortable questions. Unfortunately they just lied their way out of it so no different to now but they didn’t try and turn people against the SC like you are and whoever you are aligning yourself with is. If the relationship between owner and SC has broken down there are far more likely reasons than trivial denial of so say privilege (which is not necessarily true, just your own or your buddies surmisation). A far more likely reason is that the SC do not trust the owners and fear for the direction in which they are taking the club. So, probably like you, I would call for them to say so if this is true, or even say it’s not true if it isn’t. With such clear anger and division at the club and amongst the fans it’s unacceptable to say nothing and for the fans director not to be contactable easily when he’s in position to represent the fans. So, I hope that there is very good reason for the silence which is just as frustrating as the silence from the owner and his hiding away and getting others to do his dirty work rather than be honest with the people who carried him down Gloucester Rd.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2019 14:36:45 GMT
Julian, hope you are well mate. To your questions, I think the SC is a great idea and done many great things for the club over the decades and some of members are still trying this today. We have fan unrest now, where was the SC protest, demanding of answers when we were relegated to the Conference? You yourself were vehemently against Nick Higgs in the end, your SC did nothing, not even a statement. Nick said there would be a thorough review with no stone unturned, did we get it, did the SC ask why we never got it? NO Ken continued to sit with those directors and even share lifts to away games with them. The SC is not independent, it’s attached to the Rovers board. It’s always been felt we are better knowing what’s going on, but not once like other clubs, Charlton or Bolton have they demanded answers let’s alone a protest. They could be asking now like Cov City fans of Susu, where is the ground, how are we covering the £3.4 million debt? Looks at this, we can’t even make contact with the figurehead of the organisation, am I wrong to ask them to come into 2019 bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/I can tweet my local MP right now, but Ken is above contact Lastly, regardless of what we think of the current board, all the Brookmam and Day stuff, yes it’s sad but I can’t take it anymore. Both choose to resign but both were never going to get us a ground and board like at Ashton Gate. We are living in the past, Gorringe is making ruthless decision, the local Labour council is in uproar Liverpool have sold Melwood training ground yesterday to a housing company, life goes on and it has to if you want to be successful! Hi Paul, I appreciate the reply but it hasn’t been the SC that have lost the club money, it has been the owners and the spending on things like an office in London, because all the premier league clubs have one ! I mean, of all responses I’ve heard, I think that one takes the biscuit. The SC still have money from the sale of the shop in Kingswood and, even though I agree they are dated, we cannot forget that it was they that bridged a fair few gaps when we were at Twerton Park. I have never been a member nor do I know or speak to Ken and I saw his jottings on several occasions and just laughed BUT what is going to replace them ? I feel ok when we are told we are dropping ( insert name) but we are bringing in ( insert name) to replace this. That’s all I would ask. None of us can escape the fact that our debts have more than trebled anything that happened under the fat controller. We have had dates given us on the myth that was supposed to be the colony, the new stadium and Wales interview was a disaster. No cohesive comment, no real and direct answers and left more questions than answers. The SC was effectively shot when good people such as John Malickyi and Kim Stuckey left, plus others that I won’t name as they have asked me not to. To cut this short, what is to replace it ?. I find it poor form that nothing is being mentioned that would do so and it will now have no choice but to either choose to continue , as an independent SC or maybe just end. The share scheme money would be something I would question as it never did achieve its aim , of having enough shares to block a sale of the club if we had our backs to the wall again. I actually am more upset and agitated by helpline being dropped as, if figures quoted are correct then they put in a fair bit more than the SC and was the best value one could get, for the small monthly contributions and never any pretence or protest, cosying up to people etc but just quietly providing the club with money whilst doing a great job. I think that when a club such as rovers, chooses to drop its historical links they a part of the club dies. I make no bones about it, I am more fearful now of our future than I ever was under NH. I try not to get involved in the internals but when you see such huge losses and with a charge against what was our only asset, I think we have every right to ask why. You say Jim is above contact, try El presidente. He was hardly off of camera and media, when we got back to back promotions but now ? well, I will leave that for you to ponder on. There is more I could say but past experience has taught me its best left alone. I don’t need the hassle but a club such as our simply cannot sustain the level of debts that we are showing. For me, it’s very much the emperors new clothing. We now have different owners but still the same silence. It’s not a great way to go on and we shall see if we do show any sign of evolving, right now I’ve seen minor cosmetic work. Have a good weekend mate. Hopefully see you at the first home game
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Post by legas on Aug 2, 2019 15:23:50 GMT
Er, so when was the Helpline dropped? I continue to pay into it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 15:34:07 GMT
Er, so when was the Helpline dropped? I continue to pay into it. Helpline has not been dropped! It's £104/year and you can pay monthly, 3 monthly etc.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2019 15:51:14 GMT
Er, so when was the Helpline dropped? I continue to pay into it. Helpline has not been dropped! It's £104/year and you can pay monthly, 3 monthly etc. Sorry I meant to say dropped from the open day and they were not allowed at stall. My apologies
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Aug 2, 2019 15:54:44 GMT
Julian, hope you are well mate. To your questions, I think the SC is a great idea and done many great things for the club over the decades and some of members are still trying this today. We have fan unrest now, where was the SC protest, demanding of answers when we were relegated to the Conference? You yourself were vehemently against Nick Higgs in the end, your SC did nothing, not even a statement. Nick said there would be a thorough review with no stone unturned, did we get it, did the SC ask why we never got it? NO Ken continued to sit with those directors and even share lifts to away games with them. The SC is not independent, it’s attached to the Rovers board. It’s always been felt we are better knowing what’s going on, but not once like other clubs, Charlton or Bolton have they demanded answers let’s alone a protest. They could be asking now like Cov City fans of Susu, where is the ground, how are we covering the £3.4 million debt? Looks at this, we can’t even make contact with the figurehead of the organisation, am I wrong to ask them to come into 2019 bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/I can tweet my local MP right now, but Ken is above contact Lastly, regardless of what we think of the current board, all the Brookmam and Day stuff, yes it’s sad but I can’t take it anymore. Both choose to resign but both were never going to get us a ground and board like at Ashton Gate. We are living in the past, Gorringe is making ruthless decision, the local Labour council is in uproar Liverpool have sold Melwood training ground yesterday to a housing company, life goes on and it has to if you want to be successful! Hi Paul, I appreciate the reply but it hasn’t been the SC that have lost the club money, it has been the owners and the spending on things like an office in London, because all the premier league clubs have one ! I mean, of all responses I’ve heard, I think that one takes the biscuit. The SC still have money from the sale of the shop in Kingswood and, even though I agree they are dated, we cannot forget that it was they that bridged a fair few gaps when we were at Twerton Park. I have never been a member nor do I know or speak to Ken and I saw his jottings on several occasions and just laughed BUT what is going to replace them ? I feel ok when we are told we are dropping ( insert name) but we are bringing in ( insert name) to replace this. That’s all I would ask. None of us can escape the fact that our debts have more than trebled anything that happened under the fat controller. We have had dates given us on the myth that was supposed to be the colony, the new stadium and Wales interview was a disaster. No cohesive comment, no real and direct answers and left more questions than answers. The SC was effectively shot when good people such as John Malickyi and Kim Stuckey left, plus others that I won’t name as they have asked me not to. To cut this short, what is to replace it ?. I find it poor form that nothing is being mentioned that would do so and it will now have no choice but to either choose to continue , as an independent SC or maybe just end. The share scheme money would be something I would question as it never did achieve its aim , of having enough shares to block a sale of the club if we had our backs to the wall again. I actually am more upset and agitated by helpline being dropped as, if figures quoted are correct then they put in a fair bit more than the SC and was the best value one could get, for the small monthly contributions and never any pretence or protest, cosying up to people etc but just quietly providing the club with money whilst doing a great job. I think that when a club such as rovers, chooses to drop its historical links they a part of the club dies. I make no bones about it, I am more fearful now of our future than I ever was under NH. I try not to get involved in the internals but when you see such huge losses and with a charge against what was our only asset, I think we have every right to ask why. You say Jim is above contact, try El presidente. He was hardly off of camera and media, when we got back to back promotions but now ? well, I will leave that for you to ponder on. There is more I could say but past experience has taught me its best left alone. I don’t need the hassle but a club such as our simply cannot sustain the level of debts that we are showing. For me, it’s very much the emperors new clothing. We now have different owners but still the same silence. It’s not a great way to go on and we shall see if we do show any sign of evolving, right now I’ve seen minor cosmetic work. Have a good weekend mate. Hopefully see you at the first home game
"spending on things like an office in London, because all the premier league clubs have one"
I'm not calling you liar or anything, but is this really true? First I've heard of it.
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Post by legas on Aug 2, 2019 15:55:00 GMT
Helpline has not been dropped! It's £104/year and you can pay monthly, 3 monthly etc. Sorry I meant to say dropped from the open day and they were not allowed at stall. My apologies Ok, no problem - was just worried about my monthly direct debit!
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Post by helpliner on Aug 2, 2019 16:04:54 GMT
I don't know where this story started but I would like to state that as usual Helpline continues and in fact signed up new members on the Open Day.
It really does not help the Club at all to undermine efforts such as Helpline.
Martyn Radnedge Helpline Chairman
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2019 16:09:24 GMT
Hi Paul, I appreciate the reply but it hasn’t been the SC that have lost the club money, it has been the owners and the spending on things like an office in London, because all the premier league clubs have one ! I mean, of all responses I’ve heard, I think that one takes the biscuit. The SC still have money from the sale of the shop in Kingswood and, even though I agree they are dated, we cannot forget that it was they that bridged a fair few gaps when we were at Twerton Park. I have never been a member nor do I know or speak to Ken and I saw his jottings on several occasions and just laughed BUT what is going to replace them ? I feel ok when we are told we are dropping ( insert name) but we are bringing in ( insert name) to replace this. That’s all I would ask. None of us can escape the fact that our debts have more than trebled anything that happened under the fat controller. We have had dates given us on the myth that was supposed to be the colony, the new stadium and Wales interview was a disaster. No cohesive comment, no real and direct answers and left more questions than answers. The SC was effectively shot when good people such as John Malickyi and Kim Stuckey left, plus others that I won’t name as they have asked me not to. To cut this short, what is to replace it ?. I find it poor form that nothing is being mentioned that would do so and it will now have no choice but to either choose to continue , as an independent SC or maybe just end. The share scheme money would be something I would question as it never did achieve its aim , of having enough shares to block a sale of the club if we had our backs to the wall again. I actually am more upset and agitated by helpline being dropped as, if figures quoted are correct then they put in a fair bit more than the SC and was the best value one could get, for the small monthly contributions and never any pretence or protest, cosying up to people etc but just quietly providing the club with money whilst doing a great job. I think that when a club such as rovers, chooses to drop its historical links they a part of the club dies. I make no bones about it, I am more fearful now of our future than I ever was under NH. I try not to get involved in the internals but when you see such huge losses and with a charge against what was our only asset, I think we have every right to ask why. You say Jim is above contact, try El presidente. He was hardly off of camera and media, when we got back to back promotions but now ? well, I will leave that for you to ponder on. There is more I could say but past experience has taught me its best left alone. I don’t need the hassle but a club such as our simply cannot sustain the level of debts that we are showing. For me, it’s very much the emperors new clothing. We now have different owners but still the same silence. It’s not a great way to go on and we shall see if we do show any sign of evolving, right now I’ve seen minor cosmetic work. Have a good weekend mate. Hopefully see you at the first home game
"spending on things like an office in London, because all the premier league clubs have one"
I'm not calling you liar or anything, but is this really true? First I've heard of it.
That was part of the reply given , at the meeting when the question was asked. Sorry but I just assumed most had known of that. Not sure if @eppinggas is on here but he will have seen it as will have the many others, that use both places
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2019 16:12:40 GMT
I don't know where this story started but I would like to state that as usual Helpline continues and in fact signed up new members on the Open Day. It really does not help the Club at all to undermine efforts such as Helpline. Martyn Radnedge Helpline Chairman Ok, Someone has been stirring the pot as there is a thread of Gasheads that talks of the lovely lady, who has been great, going up to him and his son and telling him they had not been invited to have a stall at the open day. I can apologise for passing that on but not for the person who posted it and, I’ve never known him to openly tell a lie before but I guess there is always a first time So, to confirm, you did have a stall at the open day, yes ? I obviously need to confront the poster and tell him what you have said.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2019 16:53:56 GMT
Hi Paul, I appreciate the reply but it hasn’t been the SC that have lost the club money, it has been the owners and the spending on things like an office in London, because all the premier league clubs have one ! I mean, of all responses I’ve heard, I think that one takes the biscuit. The SC still have money from the sale of the shop in Kingswood and, even though I agree they are dated, we cannot forget that it was they that bridged a fair few gaps when we were at Twerton Park. I have never been a member nor do I know or speak to Ken and I saw his jottings on several occasions and just laughed BUT what is going to replace them ? I feel ok when we are told we are dropping ( insert name) but we are bringing in ( insert name) to replace this. That’s all I would ask. None of us can escape the fact that our debts have more than trebled anything that happened under the fat controller. We have had dates given us on the myth that was supposed to be the colony, the new stadium and Wales interview was a disaster. No cohesive comment, no real and direct answers and left more questions than answers. The SC was effectively shot when good people such as John Malickyi and Kim Stuckey left, plus others that I won’t name as they have asked me not to. To cut this short, what is to replace it ?. I find it poor form that nothing is being mentioned that would do so and it will now have no choice but to either choose to continue , as an independent SC or maybe just end. The share scheme money would be something I would question as it never did achieve its aim , of having enough shares to block a sale of the club if we had our backs to the wall again. I actually am more upset and agitated by helpline being dropped as, if figures quoted are correct then they put in a fair bit more than the SC and was the best value one could get, for the small monthly contributions and never any pretence or protest, cosying up to people etc but just quietly providing the club with money whilst doing a great job. I think that when a club such as rovers, chooses to drop its historical links they a part of the club dies. I make no bones about it, I am more fearful now of our future than I ever was under NH. I try not to get involved in the internals but when you see such huge losses and with a charge against what was our only asset, I think we have every right to ask why. You say Jim is above contact, try El presidente. He was hardly off of camera and media, when we got back to back promotions but now ? well, I will leave that for you to ponder on. There is more I could say but past experience has taught me its best left alone. I don’t need the hassle but a club such as our simply cannot sustain the level of debts that we are showing. For me, it’s very much the emperors new clothing. We now have different owners but still the same silence. It’s not a great way to go on and we shall see if we do show any sign of evolving, right now I’ve seen minor cosmetic work. Have a good weekend mate. Hopefully see you at the first home game
"spending on things like an office in London, because all the premier league clubs have one"
I'm not calling you liar or anything, but is this really true? First I've heard of it.
I say it as I see it so if I had lied then you’d have every right to pick me up on it. I have no problem with truth. At least you were open with your question. I am just too old to keep a lie as you need the memory of a grandmaster chess player, to keep a lie ongoing. As they say, the truth will out. Please, just say it as it is to me, I have a thick skin and a football forum will not see me melt down, as it once did before. I’ve learned a lot since then. Just genuinely saddens me to read such vitriol on here, or anywhere actually.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2019 17:02:56 GMT
I don't know where this story started but I would like to state that as usual Helpline continues and in fact signed up new members on the Open Day. It really does not help the Club at all to undermine efforts such as Helpline. Martyn Radnedge Helpline Chairman Poster was forum user willy. The post can be found here helplinergasheads.org/thread/8319/screen-soccer-rip?page=2&scrollTo=187732
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
Julian, hope you are well mate. To your questions, I think the SC is a great idea and done many great things for the club over the decades and some of members are still trying this today. We have fan unrest now, where was the SC protest, demanding of answers when we were relegated to the Conference? You yourself were vehemently against Nick Higgs in the end, your SC did nothing, not even a statement. Nick said there would be a thorough review with no stone unturned, did we get it, did the SC ask why we never got it? NO Ken continued to sit with those directors and even share lifts to away games with them. The SC is not independent, it’s attached to the Rovers board. It’s always been felt we are better knowing what’s going on, but not once like other clubs, Charlton or Bolton have they demanded answers let’s alone a protest. They could be asking now like Cov City fans of Susu, where is the ground, how are we covering the £3.4 million debt? Looks at this, we can’t even make contact with the figurehead of the organisation, am I wrong to ask them to come into 2019 bristolroverssc.co.uk/club-information/committee/I can tweet my local MP right now, but Ken is above contact Lastly, regardless of what we think of the current board, all the Brookmam and Day stuff, yes it’s sad but I can’t take it anymore. Both choose to resign but both were never going to get us a ground and board like at Ashton Gate. We are living in the past, Gorringe is making ruthless decision, the local Labour council is in uproar Liverpool have sold Melwood training ground yesterday to a housing company, life goes on and it has to if you want to be successful! Hi again Paul, i forgot to say thanks for your kind wishes but, long story short, I’m not great. Right, serious question. We are not exactly being given any information from the owner or club so I ask you, Apart from cosmetic changes and an higher debt, what do you find more professional at Rovers ? I will openly say I went to the 82’s ground, got invited and paid for by guys we used to fight against. If you ever did gi there then you would see such contrast. I am RTID but we really are still very poor but at least the pitch is stunning so FairPlay on that , at least
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 2, 2019 20:35:51 GMT
Every decision this board has made has been the wrong one. We are loosing £3m a year and becoming leas sustainable year on year. The only outcome is insolvency unless the board write off our debt and one of us wins the euro lottery.
May as well stop selling our soul and pretending we are becomming savvy because we clearly are not
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Post by yattongas on Aug 2, 2019 20:56:01 GMT
1400 tickets sold for Blackpool away. What a club !
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 2, 2019 21:01:32 GMT
And that is the problem KP. The SC and their members are living in a past golden era where they were once the young guns with a force for good. Times have changed, the club has moved on but the SC has been left where it started and It’s now turned into a bitter old boys club with a major sulk on. Loyalty I agree is important, but in business you cannot stand still or be stagnant. The club has moved forward commercially with TG and the SC should look to encourage a younger generation and appoint someone more dynamic to make the club more relevant to its support base. But the leaders of it in JC and KM don’t have the humility to step aside or relinquish some responsibility to allow that to happen, god forbid they lose their seats at the top table. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be thankful to such people, but when these people start causing trouble, they are tarnishing their own reputations and undoing any good they have previously done. By your comments below you actually think that rather than move the club forward, and if that means a change of personnel to make that happen, then it’s better the club stands still and falls behind, just out of sheer loyalty? Isn’t that how we have gotten so far behind in the first place? As far as I can see, once a person has left, the next person that has come in has brought fresh ideas and improvements on what was there before. And I have no doubt that whoever will replace screen soccer will bring a fresher approach including commentary (which I found to be annoying) I am not surprised that the club did not allow any other organisation to have a stall at the open day when Hamer has been infiltrating these clubs and using them to cause trouble. Like I’ve said previously, there are 25+ home games which draw a much bigger audience than the open day where the SC could have and make a much bigger presence and have more foot fall than the open day. Even their new website could be much more dynamic and interactive than it is now instead of being just a fresher news reel mainly of regurgitated information mostly from the club site. I have lots of ideas for it, but I wouldn’t dream of joining it whilst JC and KM are there because nothing would get implemented. It would be pointless. All of your vitriol towards the SC seems to be based on your belief that they are causing trouble for the club simply because they have been denied privileges they previously enjoyed under previous owners. You seem to suggest that because of that they are plotting with Hamer to split the fan base and destroy the club. Sounds completely implausible to me. Sounds more like the view of an owner under attack trying to dismiss his detractors as bitter lunatics because they are not onside with his delusions. Firstly there is a big difference between definition of Club and Owners. Not supporting the the owners is not the same as not supporting the Club. It is not our duty as supporters to blindly support the owners of our club and that certainly didn’t happen with Higgs and it certainly shouldn’t be happening now either. I went to a very feisty public SC meeting at the Mem just after our relegation to non league and Higgs and Watola got asked lots of very uncomfortable questions. Unfortunately they just lied their way out of it so no different to now but they didn’t try and turn people against the SC like you are and whoever you are aligning yourself with is. If the relationship between owner and SC has broken down there are far more likely reasons than trivial denial of so say privilege (which is not necessarily true, just your own or your buddies surmisation). A far more likely reason is that the SC do not trust the owners and fear for the direction in which they are taking the club. So, probably like you, I would call for them to say so if this is true, or even say it’s not true if it isn’t. With such clear anger and division at the club and amongst the fans it’s unacceptable to say nothing and for the fans director not to be contactable easily when he’s in position to represent the fans. So, I hope that there is very good reason for the silence which is just as frustrating as the silence from the owner and his hiding away and getting others to do his dirty work rather than be honest with the people who carried him down Gloucester Rd. It may seem like vitriol but I’m just facing the facts of the position of the SC and minority shareholders is not fit for purpose anymore, that in the past 5 years they could have done much more to help, isn’t the last year to 18 months there has been a split in the boardroom where the chairman has repeated tried to undermine the owners and the president and has been using the above to attempt anything he can to disrupt efficient running of the club and what’s worse is that Ken Masters knows he’s been a pawn in all of that. GIs original post was an example of how members of that club are trying to discredit the owners at every given opportunity. Were you at the agm? You could have seen that in real time action for yourself. Regardless of how implausible that may be. Whilst the SC owns a 8% share they are still independent and they still can communicate with the fans and their members. They have chosen not to and KMs leadership is showing to be weak, old fashioned and untenable. I’m not aligning myself with anyone, there is no advantage for me to side with one or the other, I’m a season ticket paying fan who occasionally does some other sponsorship or whatever for the club. I’m Just calling it as it is and how I see it based on what I know/have found out. I have been more critical than I have supportive of this regime. If the SC went with the direction they want to go in, and that is with full support of Hamer then we would have Hamers mate (that’s right, a good mate) in Cottrell in charge of the first team and a proper coup on our hands. Where do you think that link came from with odds slashed to almost zero? Because he was a decent manager at L1 level who wants publicly mocked us? All of the fans were against it and yet this was Hamers candidate with full support from KM!!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 3, 2019 8:30:48 GMT
All of your vitriol towards the SC seems to be based on your belief that they are causing trouble for the club simply because they have been denied privileges they previously enjoyed under previous owners. You seem to suggest that because of that they are plotting with Hamer to split the fan base and destroy the club. Sounds completely implausible to me. Sounds more like the view of an owner under attack trying to dismiss his detractors as bitter lunatics because they are not onside with his delusions. Firstly there is a big difference between definition of Club and Owners. Not supporting the the owners is not the same as not supporting the Club. It is not our duty as supporters to blindly support the owners of our club and that certainly didn’t happen with Higgs and it certainly shouldn’t be happening now either. I went to a very feisty public SC meeting at the Mem just after our relegation to non league and Higgs and Watola got asked lots of very uncomfortable questions. Unfortunately they just lied their way out of it so no different to now but they didn’t try and turn people against the SC like you are and whoever you are aligning yourself with is. If the relationship between owner and SC has broken down there are far more likely reasons than trivial denial of so say privilege (which is not necessarily true, just your own or your buddies surmisation). A far more likely reason is that the SC do not trust the owners and fear for the direction in which they are taking the club. So, probably like you, I would call for them to say so if this is true, or even say it’s not true if it isn’t. With such clear anger and division at the club and amongst the fans it’s unacceptable to say nothing and for the fans director not to be contactable easily when he’s in position to represent the fans. So, I hope that there is very good reason for the silence which is just as frustrating as the silence from the owner and his hiding away and getting others to do his dirty work rather than be honest with the people who carried him down Gloucester Rd. It may seem like vitriol but I’m just facing the facts of the position of the SC and minority shareholders is not fit for purpose anymore, that in the past 5 years they could have done much more to help, isn’t the last year to 18 months there has been a split in the boardroom where the chairman has repeated tried to undermine the owners and the president and has been using the above to attempt anything he can to disrupt efficient running of the club and what’s worse is that Ken Masters knows he’s been a pawn in all of that. GIs original post was an example of how members of that club are trying to discredit the owners at every given opportunity. Were you at the agm? You could have seen that in real time action for yourself. Regardless of how implausible that may be. Whilst the SC owns a 8% share they are still independent and they still can communicate with the fans and their members. They have chosen not to and KMs leadership is showing to be weak, old fashioned and untenable. I’m not aligning myself with anyone, there is no advantage for me to side with one or the other, I’m a season ticket paying fan who occasionally does some other sponsorship or whatever for the club. I’m Just calling it as it is and how I see it based on what I know/have found out. I have been more critical than I have supportive of this regime. If the SC went with the direction they want to go in, and that is with full support of Hamer then we would have Hamers mate (that’s right, a good mate) in Cottrell in charge of the first team and a proper coup on our hands. Where do you think that link came from with odds slashed to almost zero? Because he was a decent manager at L1 level who wants publicly mocked us? All of the fans were against it and yet this was Hamers candidate with full support from KM!! Morning gashead1981 How do you know this please as I have never heard this from anyone prior to this. I did see a fair few who were saying Cotterill would be a good choice though. Thanks in advance
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