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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 1, 2019 6:55:34 GMT
I think going from Scotland 2nd tier to league 1 was maybe a bit of a step up for him ( sorry big jock) but he’s clearly got poaching ability as a striker and playing league 2 should hopefully get him playing regularly and scoring goals. He could come back to us a year from now ready for league 1 , if we’re still in league 1. People will say he’s got a better goals to game ratio than Nichols but Nichols is a league 1 standard footballer who played more killer passes for goals than any other Rovers player last season, thank god or we would have gone down with no other creative or technical player available. I’m not convinced Reilly is good enough for this level yet because other than score a few last season to be fair he did sod all and looked out of his depth most of the time, but I think this is a good move for him and hopefully us too. I normally agree with a lot of what you post, but Nichols being a League 1 standard player?? Just....wow. Some would argue he is championship quality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 6:57:16 GMT
I think going from Scotland 2nd tier to league 1 was maybe a bit of a step up for him ( sorry big jock) but he’s clearly got poaching ability as a striker and playing league 2 should hopefully get him playing regularly and scoring goals. He could come back to us a year from now ready for league 1 , if we’re still in league 1. People will say he’s got a better goals to game ratio than Nichols but Nichols is a league 1 standard footballer who played more killer passes for goals than any other Rovers player last season, thank god or we would have gone down with no other creative or technical player available. I’m not convinced Reilly is good enough for this level yet because other than score a few last season to be fair he did sod all and looked out of his depth most of the time, but I think this is a good move for him and hopefully us too. I normally agree with a lot of what you post, but Nichols being a League 1 standard player?? Just....wow. I'm with Socrates on this. Nichols is easily League 1 standard. Be's proved that at Peterborough in terms.of goals. He has had his problems in front of goal (I'm putting that kindly, I know!) but that doesn't alter the ability he has. His problem has been scoring goals, obviously, and as he was brought here to do that then he can justifiably be called a bad signing. But there is a player in there that may just need a bit of luck, or a change in system, or a different strike partner, or, in my opinion a change of role to the one just behind the front player(s), to kick start him. Whether it will happen is debatable, but I would say he is comfortably League 1 standard.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2019 7:03:45 GMT
I normally agree with a lot of what you post, but Nichols being a League 1 standard player?? Just....wow. I'm with Socrates on this. Nichols is easily League 1 standard. Be's proved that at Peterborough in terms.of goals. He has had his problems in front of goal (I'm putting that kindly, I know!) but that doesn't alter the ability he has. His problem has been scoring goals, obviously, and as he was brought here to do that then he can justifiably be called a bad signing. But there is a player in there that may just need a bit of luck, or a change in system, or a different strike partner, or, in my opinion a change of role to the one just behind the front player(s), to kick start him. Whether it will happen is debatable, but I would say he is comfortably League 1 standard. Almost every signing gets written off on here before they have even kicked a ball and yet 2 years on and people are making the same excuses for Nichols.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 1, 2019 7:07:26 GMT
I like Reilly, I think he'll score 15+ in L2
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 1, 2019 7:08:23 GMT
I normally agree with a lot of what you post, but Nichols being a League 1 standard player?? Just....wow. I'm with Socrates on this. Nichols is easily League 1 standard. Be's proved that at Peterborough in terms.of goals. He has had his problems in front of goal (I'm putting that kindly, I know!) but that doesn't alter the ability he has. His problem has been scoring goals, obviously, and as he was brought here to do that then he can justifiably be called a bad signing. But there is a player in there that may just need a bit of luck, or a change in system, or a different strike partner, or, in my opinion a change of role to the one just behind the front player(s), to kick start him. Whether it will happen is debatable, but I would say he is comfortably League 1 standard. If Tom Nichols is League One standard then Jake Gosling also was, however, Gosling would've probably scored more.
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Riley
Aug 1, 2019 7:09:20 GMT
Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 1, 2019 7:09:20 GMT
I'm with Socrates on this. Nichols is easily League 1 standard. Be's proved that at Peterborough in terms.of goals. He has had his problems in front of goal (I'm putting that kindly, I know!) but that doesn't alter the ability he has. His problem has been scoring goals, obviously, and as he was brought here to do that then he can justifiably be called a bad signing. But there is a player in there that may just need a bit of luck, or a change in system, or a different strike partner, or, in my opinion a change of role to the one just behind the front player(s), to kick start him. Whether it will happen is debatable, but I would say he is comfortably League 1 standard. If Tom Nichols is League One standard then Jake Gosling also was, however, Gosling would've probably scored more. Eh? Don't get your logic.
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Aug 1, 2019 7:10:36 GMT
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 1, 2019 7:10:36 GMT
If Tom Nichols is League One standard then Jake Gosling also was, however, Gosling would've probably scored more. Eh? Don't get your logic. Nichols strongly reminds me of Jake Gosling.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2019 7:12:28 GMT
Eh? Don't get your logic. Nichols strongly reminds me of Jake Gosling. They are both very pretty.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 1, 2019 7:20:20 GMT
It is very difficult for strikers to build confidence and momentum when you are only given the odd game here and there and a few minutes now and again, strikers thrive on partnerships and understanding and Gavin is one of those who has not had the opportunity to nurture same in his time with us so far. I think there is a 15 goal man there and I am sure he will do well on loan and prove that given the chance he can do the business, good luck Gavin, if indeed the speculation is true, hope to see you back and firing on all cylinders next season.
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Riley
Aug 1, 2019 7:23:33 GMT
Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 1, 2019 7:23:33 GMT
I'm with Socrates on this. Nichols is easily League 1 standard. Be's proved that at Peterborough in terms.of goals. He has had his problems in front of goal (I'm putting that kindly, I know!) but that doesn't alter the ability he has. His problem has been scoring goals, obviously, and as he was brought here to do that then he can justifiably be called a bad signing. But there is a player in there that may just need a bit of luck, or a change in system, or a different strike partner, or, in my opinion a change of role to the one just behind the front player(s), to kick start him. Whether it will happen is debatable, but I would say he is comfortably League 1 standard. Almost every signing gets written off on here before they have even kicked a ball and yet 2 years on and people are making the same excuses for Nichols. Its Not Sir Toms fault that DC never played a system that was conducive to Him Scoring goals
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Riley
Aug 1, 2019 8:26:44 GMT
Post by james246 on Aug 1, 2019 8:26:44 GMT
To fair to Tom he runs with his head up is a tidy and can see a pass, but he can not receive a pass and turn a mam from a standing position, additionally he is not particularly quick in sprinting off the last man's shoulder. I am not convinced there is a position on the field for him as a Rovers player.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 1, 2019 8:28:26 GMT
I like Reilly, I think he'll score 15+ in L2 Yes, I agree. Thing is with our midfield last season how often did the ball even get in the penalty area, not often. No creative midfield, no attacking FBs. All the strikers were given very few opportunities to show how good, or not, they were. He never really got a run in the team did he? Decent ball from a free kick at Plymouth and he scored. time will tell with him but good luck to him. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 8:38:46 GMT
Makes me laugh how anyone can think Reilly is better than Nichols. Who contributed to more goals last season and is the all-round better player? Nichols. End of.
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Post by tommym9 on Aug 1, 2019 8:40:35 GMT
I like Reilly, I think he'll score 15+ in L2 Yes, I agree. Thing is with our midfield last season how often did the ball even get in the penalty area, not often. No creative midfield, no attacking FBs. All the strikers were given very few opportunities to show how good, or not, they were. He never really got a run in the team did he? Decent ball from a free kick at Plymouth and he scored. time will tell with him but good luck to him. UTG! Don't forget the goals against Southend (a) and Coventry (h) where he was set through and slotted. I rate him as a finisher, but as you highlighted service was very poor last season. He'll do well at Cheltenham
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 8:43:05 GMT
If Tom Nichols is League One standard then Jake Gosling also was, however, Gosling would've probably scored more. Eh? Don't get your logic. I think it's a fair comparison and one I've made myself. Gosling possessed a great deal of technical ability, in fact Lee Brown stated something to that effect. Unfortunately Gosling, like Nichols, has been unable to utilise those skills to fully reach his potential. Gosling is without a club I believe after an unproductive spell at non-league Torquay. So, "There's a footballer in there somewhere" as many have quoted is not enough.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 1, 2019 8:53:58 GMT
Nichols is twice the footballer that Gosling is/was. Gosling just about coped with L2 in cameo roles with us, and didn't cope at all at Newport. He is also unattached in non league.
Gosling was more of a winger than a centre forward and whilst Nichols hasn't scored, he works twice as hard as Gosling did and his only saving grace is his ability to find a good pass. I think if Nichols dropped to L2, he would score a hatful, get some confidence and then it might give him some momentum again.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 1, 2019 9:09:50 GMT
Shame, I like Gavin Reilly and think with a better attacking setup he can thrive. At least we still own the player and if he’s contracted for another year we can keep him on for next if he does well at Cheltenham
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Aug 1, 2019 9:30:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 9:30:29 GMT
The scary thing is that if he is any good at Cheltenham we lose him on a free right? Oh, wait a minute, you’re not telling me this was another 3 year contract that DC handed out after telling us he only wanted hungry players on shorter deals? If so, that would indicate that in his later years he gave 3 year deals to Nichols, Reilly and possibly Mensah and Bennett too. Not great. But then like most people, you were probably disappointed when we lost Taylor, Bodin and Lockyer for next to nothing because they weren't tied to the club. It's easy with hindsight, but there was just as much reason to give the likes of Nichols, Mensah and Bennett decent deals as there was Taylor and Bodin at the time. If Sercombe has a good season and we lose him on a free at the end of it, people will complain that we should have tied him down to a longer deal. We can't have it both ways. As it turned out, longer deals for Mensah, Reilly and, to a lesser extent Nichols and Bennett haven't worked out. Some you win, some you lose. His record over the four years or so he was here suggests Darrell Clarke got a hell of a lot more right than he got wrong, both on the pitch and specifically in his recruitment. Not really, I’m of the belief we shouldn’t give out three year deals and just risk losing players because we are likely to get it wrong far more than we get it right. Our inability to re-shape our squad this summer being a case in point as we have Bennett, Nichols and God knows who else not really tearing up trees and no-one else would want them. I don’t know why we don’t make more use of a 3rd year extension triggered by contract clauses rather than handing out 3 years from the start although I can appreciate that Reilly probably would have needed a 3 year deal to move from Scotland.
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Aug 1, 2019 9:36:48 GMT
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Post by Gas1977 on Aug 1, 2019 9:36:48 GMT
GC confirmed Gavin Reilly asked to go out on loan.
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Post by Marshy on Aug 1, 2019 9:40:40 GMT
Shame, I like Gavin Reilly and think with a better attacking setup he can thrive. At least we still own the player and if he’s contracted for another year we can keep him on for next if he does well at Cheltenham Or recall him in January when he is banging them in and we are in the sh** again!
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