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Jul 31, 2019 21:22:26 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jul 31, 2019 21:22:26 GMT
According to twitter he’s about to be farmed out on a season long loan to Cheltenham.
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Riley
Jul 31, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
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Post by piratesfchhh on Jul 31, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
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Jul 31, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 31, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
Good luck Gavin. The extra game time is sure to help him develop.
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Post by GasAttacK on Jul 31, 2019 21:37:24 GMT
Makes sense. As he offers so little to the team he'd have to score 15+ to be useful. 35 appearances last season, 18 starts and just the 4 goals. Nichols is a much better all round player and with JCH and the 2 loan guys it looks like a good move for Reilly and Rovers.
Hopefully he can bag a few in L2. I could never question his workrate and in the right team he may score goals.
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Post by james246 on Jul 31, 2019 21:43:20 GMT
It was very obvious he would be farmed out. What is also obvious we are letting the wrong guy go, the man that should be released is our non scoring striker. At least our manager has signed on loan a couple of good prospects who along with DM should get plenty of game time, when it is realised that one of our senior strikers is not firing again.
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Post by axegas on Jul 31, 2019 21:44:39 GMT
If this does come true then good luck to him. It’s the type of move that benefits all parties, Reilly gets some game time and a chance to prove himself in the EFL, we get to trim our squad so the budget will allow us to make a signing or two and Cheltenham get a player that I wouldn’t be surprised to see score a few in league two, he always looked like he had a goal in him in the short amount of time he was on the pitch last season.
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Post by gasstrictband on Jul 31, 2019 21:51:36 GMT
Bye Gavin , take Nichols with you .
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Riley
Jul 31, 2019 22:09:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 22:19:55 GMT
Apart from about 6 teams i dont think there is any difference between league one and league two. Good luck to gavin if he tries his luck at cheltenham but wish it was nichols going there.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:30:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 23:30:35 GMT
The scary thing is that if he is any good at Cheltenham we lose him on a free right?
Oh, wait a minute, you’re not telling me this was another 3 year contract that DC handed out after telling us he only wanted hungry players on shorter deals?
If so, that would indicate that in his later years he gave 3 year deals to Nichols, Reilly and possibly Mensah and Bennett too. Not great.
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Post by socrates on Jul 31, 2019 23:41:58 GMT
I think going from Scotland 2nd tier to league 1 was maybe a bit of a step up for him ( sorry big jock) but he’s clearly got poaching ability as a striker and playing league 2 should hopefully get him playing regularly and scoring goals. He could come back to us a year from now ready for league 1 , if we’re still in league 1. People will say he’s got a better goals to game ratio than Nichols but Nichols is a league 1 standard footballer who played more killer passes for goals than any other Rovers player last season, thank god or we would have gone down with no other creative or technical player available. I’m not convinced Reilly is good enough for this level yet because other than score a few last season to be fair he did sod all and looked out of his depth most of the time, but I think this is a good move for him and hopefully us too.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 1, 2019 0:04:49 GMT
For me would have made more sense to loan him until January so if he did do well we could have him back for the second half of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 0:29:28 GMT
The scary thing is that if he is any good at Cheltenham we lose him on a free right? Oh, wait a minute, you’re not telling me this was another 3 year contract that DC handed out after telling us he only wanted hungry players on shorter deals? If so, that would indicate that in his later years he gave 3 year deals to Nichols, Reilly and possibly Mensah and Bennett too. Not great. Your highlighting a classic problem though,do you award 1,2,3 or 4 year contracts to players. You can lose a great player without proper reward or be stuck with rubbish you cannot get rid of. If you get relegated you end up with players on the salary of a higher division. Personally i think dc fell into a similar trap alan dicks did in 1981,in that he over compensated and gave out longer contracts after losing a valuable player or two on the cheap.
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 1, 2019 0:50:48 GMT
Scored 4 times as many goals ( Yes Nichols did score a goal, a penalty) in far, far fewer minutes and is dropping down to Cheltenham, Jesus Christ what level would Nichols have to drop down to!? 😂
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 1, 2019 4:11:30 GMT
The scary thing is that if he is any good at Cheltenham we lose him on a free right? Oh, wait a minute, you’re not telling me this was another 3 year contract that DC handed out after telling us he only wanted hungry players on shorter deals? If so, that would indicate that in his later years he gave 3 year deals to Nichols, Reilly and possibly Mensah and Bennett too. Not great. To be fair to DC he was caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. On one hand he wanted young hungry players on short term deals. But then he nurtured these players into important assets but was losing them for peanuts. Because we don't have a lot going for us, also because we wouldn struggle to sign decent players on short term deals.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 1, 2019 4:13:20 GMT
I think going from Scotland 2nd tier to league 1 was maybe a bit of a step up for him ( sorry big jock) but he’s clearly got poaching ability as a striker and playing league 2 should hopefully get him playing regularly and scoring goals. He could come back to us a year from now ready for league 1 , if we’re still in league 1. People will say he’s got a better goals to game ratio than Nichols but Nichols is a league 1 standard footballer who played more killer passes for goals than any other Rovers player last season, thank god or we would have gone down with no other creative or technical player available. I’m not convinced Reilly is good enough for this level yet because other than score a few last season to be fair he did sod all and looked out of his depth most of the time, but I think this is a good move for him and hopefully us too. Anyone would think you are saying that Scottish football is sh**.
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Post by piratejames on Aug 1, 2019 4:33:37 GMT
To be fair to him his pressing game at the top of the pitch is brilliant he keeps running even if it’s just him, hopefully if he goes out and scores some goals, gets used to the English leagues a bit more then he returns a proper useful player 👍
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2019 5:04:29 GMT
I think going from Scotland 2nd tier to league 1 was maybe a bit of a step up for him ( sorry big jock) but he’s clearly got poaching ability as a striker and playing league 2 should hopefully get him playing regularly and scoring goals. He could come back to us a year from now ready for league 1 , if we’re still in league 1. People will say he’s got a better goals to game ratio than Nichols but Nichols is a league 1 standard footballer who played more killer passes for goals than any other Rovers player last season, thank god or we would have gone down with no other creative or technical player available. I’m not convinced Reilly is good enough for this level yet because other than score a few last season to be fair he did sod all and looked out of his depth most of the time, but I think this is a good move for him and hopefully us too. I normally agree with a lot of what you post, but Nichols being a League 1 standard player?? Just....wow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 6:42:31 GMT
The scary thing is that if he is any good at Cheltenham we lose him on a free right? Oh, wait a minute, you’re not telling me this was another 3 year contract that DC handed out after telling us he only wanted hungry players on shorter deals? If so, that would indicate that in his later years he gave 3 year deals to Nichols, Reilly and possibly Mensah and Bennett too. Not great. Your highlighting a classic problem though,do you award 1,2,3 or 4 year contracts to players. You can lose a great player without proper reward or be stuck with rubbish you cannot get rid of. If you get relegated you end up with players on the salary of a higher division. Personally i think dc fell into a similar trap alan dicks did in 1981,in that he over compensated and gave out longer contracts after losing a valuable player or two on the cheap. It's difficult. When signing players, especially ones who are decent or may have a few clubs interested, they re not generally going to agree a very short deal, especially when uprooting from say Scotland. If Reilly had come on a short term deal, scored loads of goals and then left on a free DC would have been slaughtered for not having the foresight to 'tie' him to a long term deal. On the flip slde if he signs a long term deal but is unsuccessful DC gets slaughtered then too. its all so easy for keyboard warriors and armchair experts to be critical when they have the benefit of hindsight. All transfers have a degree of risk attached and even the very best managers in history have their fair share of flops. DC made some very astute signing, especially early on, particularly given the financial restraints and poor facilities he had to cope with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 6:52:22 GMT
The scary thing is that if he is any good at Cheltenham we lose him on a free right? Oh, wait a minute, you’re not telling me this was another 3 year contract that DC handed out after telling us he only wanted hungry players on shorter deals? If so, that would indicate that in his later years he gave 3 year deals to Nichols, Reilly and possibly Mensah and Bennett too. Not great. But then like most people, you were probably disappointed when we lost Taylor, Bodin and Lockyer for next to nothing because they weren't tied to the club. It's easy with hindsight, but there was just as much reason to give the likes of Nichols, Mensah and Bennett decent deals as there was Taylor and Bodin at the time. If Sercombe has a good season and we lose him on a free at the end of it, people will complain that we should have tied him down to a longer deal. We can't have it both ways. As it turned out, longer deals for Mensah, Reilly and, to a lesser extent Nichols and Bennett haven't worked out. Some you win, some you lose. His record over the four years or so he was here suggests Darrell Clarke got a hell of a lot more right than he got wrong, both on the pitch and specifically in his recruitment.
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