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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:18:37 GMT
Three more games and if we haven't won twice he's gotta go. discuss haha GC out and Ollie in! Play some attacking football from a underrated coach/manager!
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Aug 13, 2019 8:43:11 GMT
Post by blueridge on Aug 13, 2019 8:43:11 GMT
To be honest he has had the whole summer and doesn't seem to have addressed ANY of the problems that were glaringly obvious last season. Thats my issue. I know he had to replace Locks and the GK,which he seems to have done.But take JCH out and we are the same poor - no Im sorry...sh**e side going forward that we were in our final game in May. JCH is far from proven btw..and how does anything in his career before joining us prove that earlier this year was anything but a purple patch for him? - I dont think it was for the record, and he is the real deal,but still? Our attacking side of the team was why we were struggling,and DC got sacked.For GC not to address this as his 1st,and main area to improve this summer is crimial and will be the reason we could go down, and he loses his job if that happens. What in the first two games suggests otherwise? No width or creative play in midfield, and a shocking TN STILL STARTING UP FRONT - says Im sadly right. "our final game in May" - we beat a promoted side!!
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 13, 2019 8:43:45 GMT
Too early for this in my opinion.
I personally don't rate GC or at least has serious doubts but no manager should be getting the bullet this early.
I don't think he'll still be in charge at Christmas and may not see out October but should be given at least 10 games after helping to keep us up last season.
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GC out
Aug 13, 2019 8:46:25 GMT
Post by pucklegas on Aug 13, 2019 8:46:25 GMT
Behave you lot more additions coming ....
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 13, 2019 8:46:37 GMT
Too early for this in my opinion. I personally don't rate GC or at least has serious doubts but no manager should be getting the bullet this early. I don't think he'll still be in charge at Christmas and may not see out October but should be given at least 10 games after helping to keep us up last season. Here in lies the problem, for a long time Rovers have been reactive and not proactive with regards to management issues. We'll see I guess, I'd have thanked him and let him go in the summer.
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Aug 13, 2019 9:34:12 GMT
Post by South Stand Ultra on Aug 13, 2019 9:34:12 GMT
Credit to GC for last season, but he got lucky with JCH, last season he had it spot on, Saturday with three CDM, no width, a team with more defence options than the USA, I am bored with his brand of football, I thought on Saturday during the game wouldn't it be good if they could show a film on the big screen anything to make the afternoon entertaining, plus now he as his assistant Joe Dunne, again a lower league defender, thank goodness we have Tranmere and Stefan then Oxford, with possibly Matty T, next at Mem at least we can then generate a decent atmosphere because the sides GC puts out ain't going to.
Ah, so GC is the same as DC, he gets lucky with all the better buys, but is a sh!t manager when buying crap players? Get a grip!!
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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2019 9:46:53 GMT
Its OK Pirate giving him 500 players who he could sign but how many of Pirates "recommendations" actually go on and sign for somebody else and do well?- not many I would say because the majority of his suggestions would be a risk and that is the problem. Quite a lot actually, but I suppose the standout ones have been Charlie Austin, Jamie Vardy, Sean Raggett, Marc Roberts, David Accam, Conor Washington, Marvin Johnson, Duncan Watmore, Lee Tomlin, Erhun Oztumer, Albert Adomah, Aden Flint, Joe Lolley, Jack Marriott, James Collins, Kieffer Moore and Gavin Whyte.
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Aug 13, 2019 9:50:39 GMT
Post by simonj on Aug 13, 2019 9:50:39 GMT
Behave you lot more additions coming .... Hmmm, be interesting, we are probably due at least a couple of proper first team choices to arrive, not bench warmers. It has a feeling that much more has gone than arrived. Probably the point with a reduced budget but I think we are well down on last years wage bill.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 13, 2019 9:55:16 GMT
Its OK Pirate giving him 500 players who he could sign but how many of Pirates "recommendations" actually go on and sign for somebody else and do well?- not many I would say because the majority of his suggestions would be a risk and that is the problem. Quite a lot actually, but I suppose the standout ones have been Charlie Austin, Jamie Vardy, Sean Raggett, Marc Roberts, David Accam, Conor Washington, Marvin Johnson, Duncan Watmore, Lee Tomlin, Erhun Oztumer, Albert Adomah, Aden Flint, Joe Lolley, Jack Marriott, James Collins, Kieffer Moore and Gavin Whyte. sh** squad. No keeper.
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Aug 13, 2019 10:00:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 10:00:32 GMT
Whilst I remain on the fence over GC as Manager of our club this topic is absolutely ridiculous as IMO we are better prepared for this season than any under DC.Ok the majority of problems that were there last season have not been sorted- we still have little pace, power or creativity in the side BUT and this is a big but GC had to through no fault of his own replace pretty well his entire defence and goalkeepers which I believe he has done pretty well. My other problem is really what he faces now which is usual Rovers- having to try to replace the attacking side of the team when he is stuck with mainly DC signings. It is OK for loads to say well he could get rid of the big earners but I am not convinced that the Owners will allow him to bring in replacements that are any better. Every season as I see it our budget has been reduced from the day Dave Penney came in and gave that fateful comment that we were paying too much!! We have IMO now gone the opposite way and are paying too little. OK we get rid of Rodman, Nichols, Sercombe, Ollie Clarke, Upson and start again but can anybody honestly put hand to heart and say that GC will be able to get in any better with the budget he has been given? Its OK Pirate giving him 500 players who he could sign but how many of Pirates "recommendations" actually go on and sign for somebody else and do well?- not many I would say because the majority of his suggestions would be a risk and that is the problem. What we really need is the no risk but that costs money- Ched Evans was the best example of a player who would have been no risk and definitely would have done the job required- Paddy Madden may have been another,Matt Godden another, the list could go on but the truth is that the only mistake so far that GC has made is probably setting his sights on this type of player but having to face the fact that they just wouldn't fit in his budget and IMO he has one hell of a job to get any players in who will be better than those mentioned. JCH was great business by GC but now he has to put up with some saying he was "lucky"- well all I can say is that I hope he is lucky again with two,three or even four signings before the deadline because that is what he will need to be under the present regime. I wish him luck and hope that come the end of the season GC will still be there hopefully with a more attacking team. If we had a better scouting network perhaps we could- the problem is our scouting network seems to be a man with a Rolodex full of numbers of players who either currently or used to play for Coventry. His acquisitions have been equal parts hit and miss and I can’t believe we couldn’t do better if we had invested most of the money spent by the AQ’s on the admin side of the club into setting up some kind of footballing ethos under a DOF rather than masseuses and analysts and offices in London etc. But I accept it’s easy to say that I’m hindsight. TW and a crap budget seems to be the best we have at the moment. It doesn’t fill one with confidence though and neither does comparisons to Ian Atkins football. If that is the approach we are probably wasting our time anyway crossing our fingers and hoping for a quality attacking midfielder who will spend most of his time watching balls sail over his head and getting caught up in the elements.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 13, 2019 10:00:51 GMT
Too early for this in my opinion. I personally don't rate GC or at least has serious doubts but no manager should be getting the bullet this early. I don't think he'll still be in charge at Christmas and may not see out October but should be given at least 10 games after helping to keep us up last season. Here in lies the problem, for a long time Rovers have been reactive and not proactive with regards to management issues. We'll see I guess, I'd have thanked him and let him go in the summer. Well, it might be reactive, but I don't think you can ask a manager to save us from impending doom, (with presumably the carrot of a full time appointment) and then just tell them they're not needed, once mission is accomplished. Although in hindsight that would have been a good thing to tell McGhee and Ward. (And maybe Coughlan is the next on that list, but maybe not.) I suppose DC's appointment was done with the luxury of not worrying about league position, ironically.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 10:12:57 GMT
Here in lies the problem, for a long time Rovers have been reactive and not proactive with regards to management issues. We'll see I guess, I'd have thanked him and let him go in the summer. Well, it might be reactive, but I don't think you can ask a manager to save us from impending doom, (with presumably the carrot of a full time appointment) and then just tell them they're not needed, once mission is accomplished. Although in hindsight that would have been a good thing to tell McGhee and Ward. (And maybe Coughlan is the next on that list, but maybe not.) I suppose DC's appointment was done with the luxury of not worrying about league position, ironically. Realistically it was Coughlan’s first managerial gig, in those circumstances and with management being such a closed shop anyway we had him over a barrel and had no reason to offer anything longer than a 6 month deal to be reviewed depending on various factors such as quality of football etc. He did a miraculous job of keeping us up but it’s hard to argue imo that he brought more to the role than that. A discerning board trying to build another 5 year DC era would have thanked him for his services, given him a few quid bonus and sent him on his way with our thanks. A 2.5 year contract was the sign of a board with no real clue what other direction to go in. I will re-iterate that it was miraculous that he kept us up, but there are managers in football who are little more than fire-fighters, great at bringing in an effective, if limited “up and at em” mindset and grinding out results to keep a club treading water but not someone you would turn to to build an empire around.
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GC out
Aug 13, 2019 10:37:57 GMT
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 13, 2019 10:37:57 GMT
Its OK Pirate giving him 500 players who he could sign but how many of Pirates "recommendations" actually go on and sign for somebody else and do well?- not many I would say because the majority of his suggestions would be a risk and that is the problem. Quite a lot actually, but I suppose the standout ones have been Charlie Austin, Jamie Vardy, Sean Raggett, Marc Roberts, David Accam, Conor Washington, Marvin Johnson, Duncan Watmore, Lee Tomlin, Erhun Oztumer, Albert Adomah, Aden Flint, Joe Lolley, Jack Marriott, James Collins, Kieffer Moore and Gavin Whyte. . Problem is more probally have not made it. When you recommend so many player's, a lot of them are bound to make it. But on the other hand, a lot of them won't make it. I see GC mentioned signing player's from Ireland before. Any young quick Irish wingers, that you think could make it in England??
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 13, 2019 10:40:27 GMT
Here in lies the problem, for a long time Rovers have been reactive and not proactive with regards to management issues. We'll see I guess, I'd have thanked him and let him go in the summer. Well, it might be reactive, but I don't think you can ask a manager to save us from impending doom, (with presumably the carrot of a full time appointment) and then just tell them they're not needed, once mission is accomplished. Although in hindsight that would have been a good thing to tell McGhee and Ward. (And maybe Coughlan is the next on that list, but maybe not.) I suppose DC's appointment was done with the luxury of not worrying about league position, ironically. Coughlan's appointment was as caretaker as the most senior member of coaching staff left. He fell into the clubs lap, wasn't part of a plan, the club just went with it. That's my main issue. There is no "This is how we do things, these are the types of managers/coaches we appoint".
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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2019 10:52:56 GMT
Quite a lot actually, but I suppose the standout ones have been Charlie Austin, Jamie Vardy, Sean Raggett, Marc Roberts, David Accam, Conor Washington, Marvin Johnson, Duncan Watmore, Lee Tomlin, Erhun Oztumer, Albert Adomah, Aden Flint, Joe Lolley, Jack Marriott, James Collins, Kieffer Moore and Gavin Whyte. . Problem is more probally have not made it. When you recommend so many player's, a lot of them are bound to make it. But on the other hand, a lot of them won't make it. I see GC mentioned signing player's from Ireland before. Any young quick Irish wingers, that you think could make it in England?? I mentioned Trevor Clarke (winger or full back) playing over in Ireland on the forum about 2 years ago, but he has just joined Rotherham. Some of the better wide players over there are Neil Farrugia, Michael Duffy, Zak Elbouzedi and Thomas Byrne and attacking midfielders like Jack Byrne and Dan Mandroiu.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:10:08 GMT
Well, it might be reactive, but I don't think you can ask a manager to save us from impending doom, (with presumably the carrot of a full time appointment) and then just tell them they're not needed, once mission is accomplished. Although in hindsight that would have been a good thing to tell McGhee and Ward. (And maybe Coughlan is the next on that list, but maybe not.) I suppose DC's appointment was done with the luxury of not worrying about league position, ironically. Coughlan's appointment was as caretaker as the most senior member of coaching staff left. He fell into the clubs lap, wasn't part of a plan, the club just went with it. That's my main issue. There is no "This is how we do things, these are the types of managers/coaches we appoint". We’ve got more chance of a new stadium than this club ever having a strategy or footballing vision that they apply to their managerial decisions. They just look at who is cheap and available. FWIW I’ve seen enough now to agree that there should be a philosophy and think we should perhaps go backwards to go forwards and try implementing some sort of identity at the club under a DOF
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Post by Marshy on Aug 13, 2019 11:12:11 GMT
Coughlan's appointment was as caretaker as the most senior member of coaching staff left. He fell into the clubs lap, wasn't part of a plan, the club just went with it. That's my main issue. There is no "This is how we do things, these are the types of managers/coaches we appoint". We’ve got more chance of a new stadium than this club ever having a strategy or footballing vision that they apply to their managerial decisions. They just look at who is cheap and available. So does Bolders.
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GC out
Aug 13, 2019 11:34:15 GMT
Post by blueridge on Aug 13, 2019 11:34:15 GMT
Well, it might be reactive, but I don't think you can ask a manager to save us from impending doom, (with presumably the carrot of a full time appointment) and then just tell them they're not needed, once mission is accomplished. Although in hindsight that would have been a good thing to tell McGhee and Ward. (And maybe Coughlan is the next on that list, but maybe not.) I suppose DC's appointment was done with the luxury of not worrying about league position, ironically. Coughlan's appointment was as caretaker as the most senior member of coaching staff left. He fell into the clubs lap, wasn't part of a plan, the club just went with it. That's my main issue. There is no "This is how we do things, these are the types of managers/coaches we appoint". Probably - apart from Marcus Stewart.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 13, 2019 11:38:14 GMT
Quite a lot actually, but I suppose the standout ones have been Charlie Austin, Jamie Vardy, Sean Raggett, Marc Roberts, David Accam, Conor Washington, Marvin Johnson, Duncan Watmore, Lee Tomlin, Erhun Oztumer, Albert Adomah, Aden Flint, Joe Lolley, Jack Marriott, James Collins, Kieffer Moore and Gavin Whyte. . Problem is more probally have not made it. When you recommend so many player's, a lot of them are bound to make it. But on the other hand, a lot of them won't make it. I see GC mentioned signing player's from Ireland before. Any young quick Irish wingers, that you think could make it in England?? I think you have to be fair to Pirate here, he hangs his hat on some that he believes are ready to make it but if you read the majority of the posts they mention the player being worth a trial or a possible place in the development squad. Most triallists, and as we have seen, most development squad players do not make it...and Pirate is acknowledging this by what level of involvement in the players career he’s recommending. At least he’s doing some research beforehand!
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Aug 13, 2019 11:38:22 GMT
Post by chewbacca on Aug 13, 2019 11:38:22 GMT
Coughlan's appointment was as caretaker as the most senior member of coaching staff left. He fell into the clubs lap, wasn't part of a plan, the club just went with it. That's my main issue. There is no "This is how we do things, these are the types of managers/coaches we appoint". Probably - apart from Marcus Stewart. Stewart had departed, he wasn't left.
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