Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 20:20:58 GMT
Based on the season so far and the general performances League 2 beckons. We have too many League 2 standard players and with Ogogo and Ollie Clarke together we were never going to dominate the game today. GC's football is dull to watch and so slow and predictable. Even playing against ten players we were leaving no one up whilst defending corners and we allowed Accrington to bring the ball out and at times sprint through our midfield. How many teams have their worst player captaining the side? Agree 100%!
|
|
|
Post by pucklegas on Sept 7, 2019 20:28:38 GMT
We ain't got the quality though the budget has been spunked away on some players who are not worth their wages, until we offload them I think GC S hands are tied. He promised fast attractive football, with the development players as ballboys to keep the tempo up and for game management, that's not what I have seen. We are crying out for a central creative midfield player but all our midfield are of similar ability, though thought we missed Upson today. maybe but GC signed 8 players including players like little and jaakola who must be on decent money. Had we lets say appointed paul tisdale we would be playing pass and move on the deck football. Coughlan could have signed a creative midfield player but he has no need for them. He could have signed 2 wingers but they would not play. He said he had targets before the window closed but it seems he needed to offload Benno first, rumours were that he would have had to take a massive pay cut to go to swindon so you can't blame him for staying. Little and jaakola seem decent, Hare looks quality, and Davies strong and imposing, think he has done pretty well in the market. Thought Tomlinson was a creative player but can't comment as never seen him.
|
|
|
Post by adrian301 on Sept 7, 2019 20:41:51 GMT
I think AS had better ball carrying players than us, which gave them a threat all game. Even with 10 men. You can only think that AS can recruit such players because living in the North West is so much cheaper. We have to offer high wages to tempt anyone here. GC would probably love to offload the big earners here, but can't.
If JCH is earning less than KB,TN,AR etc, he will be off come January.
That little bit of class by KB at the end was just what we want to see, but can we carry such players?
|
|
|
Post by bluegas on Sept 7, 2019 21:00:20 GMT
I think AS had better ball carrying players than us, which gave them a threat all game. Even with 10 men. You can only think that AS can recruit such players because living in the North West is so much cheaper. We have to offer high wages to tempt anyone here. GC would probably love to offload the big earners here, but can't. If JCH is earning less than KB,TN,AR etc, he will be off come January. That little bit of class by KB at the end was just what we want to see, but can we carry such players? You touch upon the simple fact so many ignore. Lancashire is densely populated and has, what, 15 league clubs? Three are European class. So loads of young players getting great training etc. before being discarded. So what do they do? Stay with family and friends? Or relocate 200 miles to the back of beyond (as they see it)? Of course money talks but we ain't got any.
|
|
|
Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 7, 2019 21:07:34 GMT
Based on the season so far and the general performances League 2 beckons. We have too many League 2 standard players and with Ogogo and Ollie Clarke together we were never going to dominate the game today. GC's football is dull to watch and so slow and predictable. Even playing against ten players we were leaving no one up whilst defending corners and we allowed Accrington to bring the ball out and at times sprint through our midfield. How many teams have their worst player captaining the side? Whilst I agree about us being slow & predictable I don't see us going down, we have a goalscorer (until Jan at least) which makes a huge difference and a defensive set up which will be good enough to keep enough clean sheets for us to nick low scoring games. As for our worst player being captain, I wouldn't have him as skipper but he's far from our worst player, we all know you don't rate him !!!
|
|
|
Post by stevek192 on Sept 7, 2019 21:16:34 GMT
worrelsterlingalbien, Over the matches this season he has been our worst player but you are right I don't rate him as being anything other than an average League 2 player who's main contribution seems to be getting an obligatory booking for an ill timed challenge and then unable to make any challenges which is the main part of his game. Why the Manager doesn't substitute him once he has been booked is beyond me.
|
|
|
Post by gasheadontour on Sept 7, 2019 21:25:04 GMT
Even playing against ten players we were leaving no one up whilst defending corners and we allowed Accrington to bring the ball out and at times sprint through our midfield. Perhaps GC left players back to try to prevent 'Accrington to bring the ball out and at times sprint through our midfield'?
|
|
|
Post by gashead1981 on Sept 7, 2019 21:34:20 GMT
I said months ago that GC won’t have “his” squad until probably next summer and this will very much be a rebuilding season.
So with that in mind we may have to put up with similar tactics to what we endured today and other games. It’s not pretty and it’s not always effective I will admit.
Davies had a stinker today after being excellent for most part of the season. Craig was up to his old tricks of crap defending, the goalie is clearly a work in progress.
All avoidable goals in the first half. It was defo a pen from where I was sat but the clumsy tackle came from allowing Accrington too much time and space on the ball.
That was down to GCs poor tactics though. No reason why we couldn’t have gone 442 with Kelly at LB, Leahy at LW and Bennet on the right and just sured everything up.
|
|
|
Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 7, 2019 21:39:39 GMT
worrelsterlingalbien, Over the matches this season he has been our worst player but you are right I don't rate him as being anything other than an average League 2 player who's main contribution seems to be getting an obligatory booking for an ill timed challenge and then unable to make any challenges which is the main part of his game. Why the Manager doesn't substitute him once he has been booked is beyond me. Definitely agree regarding the bookings, the way he plays he will always walk a disciplinary tightrope. IMO there is a league 1 player there it's getting that on a consistent basis that's the issue. Reading your match report I'm not sure we were quite that bad but the frustration for me is that we started really well and as soon as we conceded stopped doing the things we'd done well in the first 15 mins. I actually thought Accy were a decent side but part of that might well have been the fact we sat off them & let them play
|
|
|
Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Sept 7, 2019 21:59:15 GMT
The way we played against Wycombe and Coventry was boring and poor and if that had continued it would have put me off going to matches. To be fair to GC since he changed the formation the football has been a lot better to watch. Today I was disappointed with how Accy managed to have so much of the ball and cut through us with 10 men, but we did create chances and score goals.
I think one factor in the lower attendances is that we are just doing OK. Crowds tend to go up either when we are fighting relegation, because the team need our support, or when we are doing well. Paul Trollope had the same problem when we were mid table league one.
|
|
|
Post by Gassy on Sept 7, 2019 22:01:17 GMT
I said months ago that GC won’t have “his” squad until probably next summer and this will very much be a rebuilding season. So with that in mind we may have to put up with similar tactics to what we endured today and other games. It’s not pretty and it’s not always effective I will admit. Davies had a stinker today after being excellent for most part of the season. Craig was up to his old tricks of crap defending, the goalie is clearly a work in progress. All avoidable goals in the first half. It was defo a pen from where I was sat but the clumsy tackle came from allowing Accrington too much time and space on the ball. That was down to GCs poor tactics though. No reason why we couldn’t have gone 442 with Kelly at LB, Leahy at LW and Bennet on the right and just sured everything up. I’m not GC our or anything but tbf GC said himself last season not to judge him on performances, but on results - because of the situation we were in. I remember him saying to judge him this season. Every manager in the history of managers will have players under the previous management reign. It’s natural on today’s world where managers last 2-3 seasons. I do think GC is learning a lot still & is enjoying his learning. He clearly has some good ideas and contacts but I’d like to see an experienced assistant manager come in to assist
|
|
|
Post by eastgas on Sept 7, 2019 22:04:26 GMT
Definitely not. Needs to be sacked right away, what sort of manager takes over a relegation dead cert and completely turns them around and avoids the drop? Terrible management. He can’t even bring in exciting, creative players we all crave in those two whole windows he has had to work in, and look at the total dross he has signed! JCH, Agogo, Davies, Hare, Little and also has the cheek to not spend loads of money on a new centre half and only promotes Kilgour to the first team. The criticism is well deserved what an utterly terrible manager. If he doesn’t change his ways maybe someone should message members of his family and give them grief instead. Maybe the question should be why the hell should GC want to stay?
|
|
|
Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 7, 2019 22:34:16 GMT
Some people talking about budgets; I wonder what budget Accrington had, but still manged to play us off the park without their two best players and 10 men for most of the 2nd half
|
|
|
Post by axegas on Sept 7, 2019 23:01:17 GMT
Some people talking about budgets; I wonder what budget Accrington had, but still manged to play us off the park without their two best players and 10 men for most of the 2nd half Better than us for periods of the game definitely but playing us off the park is an exaggeration. Had Nichols or Bennett finished their chances we could have been talking about a win.
|
|
|
Post by daniel300380 on Sept 7, 2019 23:10:54 GMT
Some people talking about budgets; I wonder what budget Accrington had, but still manged to play us off the park without their two best players and 10 men for most of the 2nd half Better than us for periods of the game definitely but playing us off the park is an exaggeration. Had Nichols or Bennett finished their chances we could have been talking about a win. Plus JCH missed a header at the end. As he scored 2, we're not going to moan about him missing one chance though lol.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 23:32:38 GMT
Definitely not. Needs to be sacked right away, what sort of manager takes over a relegation dead cert and completely turns them around and avoids the drop? Terrible management. He can’t even bring in exciting, creative players we all crave in those two whole windows he has had to work in, and look at the total dross he has signed! JCH, Agogo, Davies, Hare, Little and also has the cheek to not spend loads of money on a new centre half and only promotes Kilgour to the first team. The criticism is well deserved what an utterly terrible manager. If he doesn’t change his ways maybe someone should message members of his family and give them grief instead. Maybe the question should be why the hell should GC want to stay? You were making a good point until you brought Ogogo Hare Davies and Little into it...
|
|
|
Post by eastgas on Sept 7, 2019 23:55:16 GMT
Definitely not. Needs to be sacked right away, what sort of manager takes over a relegation dead cert and completely turns them around and avoids the drop? Terrible management. He can’t even bring in exciting, creative players we all crave in those two whole windows he has had to work in, and look at the total dross he has signed! JCH, Agogo, Davies, Hare, Little and also has the cheek to not spend loads of money on a new centre half and only promotes Kilgour to the first team. The criticism is well deserved what an utterly terrible manager. If he doesn’t change his ways maybe someone should message members of his family and give them grief instead. Maybe the question should be why the hell should GC want to stay? You were making a good point until you brought Ogogo Hare Davies and Little into it... Maybe little hasn’t really done anything of note so far, but imo Ogogo has been a good signing and played his part in keeping us in the league last season and Davies and Hare have so far been in our top 3-4 performers this season. I can understand that people are not enjoying our style of play atm, I personally would love to see more attractive attacking football, but with our current state of finances it’s going to take time to build a better team which I think GC has earned the chance to try and achieve. Can just be frustrating sometimes that there is a lot of negativity around, especially when we don’t get 3 points. A lot of those who are negative and highly critical never seem to want to add to any positivity after good performances and results. Genuine question, not trying to be funny or anything like that, genuinely interested in other people’s opinions. Out of our summer transfers who would you not of signed to bring in a creative midfielder or two? My opinion would of been not to sign JVS and used our young keepers as back up, but if we are maxed out on budget like we are told then I’m not sure saving on JVS wage would free up enough to bring in an attacking midfielder.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 1:20:23 GMT
You touched on the point I was trying to make there, they are all decent signings but they are all defenders/attritional players and it’s hard to warm to GC because of things like this. It gives off a vibe that he’s a meat and potatoes manager. I’m not sure I buy all this talk of wingers- he’s an old school centre half and a defensive coach, is he really going to deliver champagne football at any point in his tenure?
You asked who would you swap for a creative player...it’s tough admittedly because it seems that the defenders he brought in, possibly bar Leahy are all decent enough. Did we need that many defenders? Possibly, given 3 at the back suits us and others have left.
I think we need more though, we don’t do enough with the ball and are relying on JCH to conjure up miracles. That will only be changed by flair players. Are CAMs that thin on the ground that we couldn’t even have got a yoof in from a Prem club? At this point even a warm body to bring on in the last ten minutes would be *something*, as it is we signed not one midfield player. That Tomlinson lad got good reviews pre season and can’t get a look in. Sooner or later it turns from GC not having the money to actually, he wouldn’t know what to do with a flair player, all he knows is pump it to the big lad and the midfield is a load of try hard battler types to win the knock downs off the oppo.
|
|
|
Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 8, 2019 4:42:34 GMT
You touched on the point I was trying to make there, they are all decent signings but they are all defenders/attritional players and it’s hard to warm to GC because of things like this. It gives off a vibe that he’s a meat and potatoes manager. I’m not sure I buy all this talk of wingers- he’s an old school centre half and a defensive coach, is he really going to deliver champagne football at any point in his tenure? You asked who would you swap for a creative player...it’s tough admittedly because it seems that the defenders he brought in, possibly bar Leahy are all decent enough. Did we need that many defenders? Possibly, given 3 at the back suits us and others have left. I think we need more though, we don’t do enough with the ball and are relying on JCH to conjure up miracles. That will only be changed by flair players. Are CAMs that thin on the ground that we couldn’t even have got a yoof in from a Prem club? At this point even a warm body to bring on in the last ten minutes would be *something*, as it is we signed not one midfield player. That Tomlinson lad got good reviews pre season and can’t get a look in. Sooner or later it turns from GC not having the money to actually, he wouldn’t know what to do with a flair player, all he knows is pump it to the big lad and the midfield is a load of try hard battler types to win the knock downs off the oppo.
|
|
|
Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 8, 2019 4:45:14 GMT
Some people talking about budgets; I wonder what budget Accrington had, but still manged to play us off the park without their two best players and 10 men for most of the 2nd half Better than us for periods of the game definitely but playing us off the park is an exaggeration. Had Nichols or Bennett finished their chances we could have been talking about a win. We should have been talking about a win. They had 2 of their best players out and we struggled to get a point against 10 of them. They played better 10 v 11 and that is not acceptable, especially at home. 6K crowds are creeping in which is down to the negative tactics we now seem to play in every game
|
|