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Post by lpgas on Sept 19, 2019 17:05:33 GMT
Moan Moan Moan. It can only be Bristol Rovers. I am just glad we have a club to support
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 19, 2019 17:45:40 GMT
Simple solution to all this is give the managers job to Butterfly as he knows everything.
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Post by mftc on Sept 19, 2019 18:04:04 GMT
Watch the celebrations by the players after Tyler's goal on Tuesday. Two players run 40 yards and jump and punch the air as though they had scored 30 yarders.
The players have hearts.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 19, 2019 19:32:30 GMT
In the last 20 years I have certainly watched worse styles of play, with worse results, with more grossly incompetant players. 12 in L1 after 8 games really isnt that bad. People seem to think that the owners can bend the SCMP framework to generate more cash. You cant. You either have to donate the money to the club (and if the owners businesses arent generating the capital to freely do that then they can't or won't, sometimes owners just dont do it) or the stadium has to generate you more revenue (the mem cant, its prettty much topped out). People complain about us losing money and being in debt and yet they want us to spend more money we dont have....?? GC has a very good budget but it has largely been spent by the previous manager on players that arent good enough to start first team games. As someone pointed out to me on tuesday, we had £8k a week sat on the bench in 2 players...players that GC didnt sign and probably doesnt want. I really don’t understand your continued use of DC as the sole blame for 3 million pa debts. That is just not true. It’s a cop out and does not give anything close to a true and real reason for the scale of debt. The other thing, the owners are charging a tidy 6% margin on top of that debt. Does that not tell you anything ? The office has been done to death but DC certianly was not responsible for 3 million of debt per season. Where have I said that I do blame DC for a £3m pa loss? Are you seeing things? I’ve said that GC has a budget, governed by SCMP framework, which has players that are part of the squad, which he didn’t sign, didn’t offer contracts to on wages he didn’t offer, and yet that is hampering some of his plans. That isn’t blaming anyone, that’s just facts and reality of his situation. I’m actually sticking up for our current boss who people are booting for not playing a certain way or not signing certain players. But he has recruited very well so far and in the next 12 months we will see a GC side which is his own. I’m sorry that goes against the DC love in, but as much as I am thankful for what he has done, he also left behind a right old hash to sort out.
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Post by Thatslife on Sept 19, 2019 19:51:34 GMT
Tom G was charged with making the match day experience better, well let's just look how well he has done Big screen TV, shows the team sheet which by the time that appears most already know the team, occasionally show historical match highlights. It not been put there for the fans enjoyment, it's there so they can sell more advertising. Catering, food is better but is also 4 times what it would cost in a shop, food cockups still being made, chocolate which has bloomed, food turning up at the kiosks late etc etc to quote a saying........"every time there is an improvement, things get worse " Scrolling adverts around the pitch, again not for fans enjoyment but so they can sell more advertising. Not quite the promised land not even close, and none of the "improvements"above are to give the supporters a better match day experience but to bombard the crowd with advertising. Tom G is the commercial manager. selling advertising is literally a big part of his job
don't forget more revenue, means more money that can be spent
There has been a survey the last 2 seasons for feedback. Go and listen to the Gascast interview with Tom
what would you like to see? Not everything has gone right, but I see a bloke doing a lot to make things better. He can't build a stadium himself or manage the players
I accept it's part of his job, but answer me this. Has attendances gone up or down since they were done? Has the improvements generated more money than it cost to do them? Has the supporters new match day experience attracted any new supporters?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 19:52:53 GMT
I really don’t understand your continued use of DC as the sole blame for 3 million pa debts. That is just not true. It’s a cop out and does not give anything close to a true and real reason for the scale of debt. The other thing, the owners are charging a tidy 6% margin on top of that debt. Does that not tell you anything ? The office has been done to death but DC certianly was not responsible for 3 million of debt per season. Where have I said that I do blame DC for a £3m pa loss? Are you seeing things? I’ve said that GC has a budget, governed by SCMP framework, which has players that are part of the squad, which he didn’t sign, didn’t offer contracts to on wages he didn’t offer, and yet that is hampering some of his plans. That isn’t blaming anyone, that’s just facts and reality of his situation. I’m actually sticking up for our current boss who people are booting for not playing a certain way or not signing certain players. But he has recruited very well so far and in the next 12 months we will see a GC side which is his own. I’m sorry that goes against the DC love in, but as much as I am thankful for what he has done, he also left behind a right old hash to sort out. I've said before I doubt very much that DC was involved in any contract negotiations. I doubt GC is involved in any contract negotiations. That is all done by others, not the manager's. So, DC didn't leave a right old hash to sort out, but the people who did create this are still at the club !
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2019 19:58:32 GMT
Moan Moan Moan. It can only be Bristol Rovers. I am just glad we have a club to support This.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Sept 19, 2019 20:56:30 GMT
I read the thread couple hours after you posted your report. I thought the headline was potent and honest. Chatting earlier after being asked why the gates are so low, my rant summed up, would be the headline of this thread. OUR club is f**ked right now. I’m a season ticket holder and haven’t missed a home game for 6 years (except the obvious 1’s).
Long gone the excitement of finishing work and going to watch the gas on a Tuesday night. Feels more like a chore. Criticise away but that’s how I feel with our club these days.
I hate having to think that way but I’m zapped and dumbfounded and sick off just accepting it.
Awful manager. Awful performance after performance. Awful ownership.
Support is dwindling quick. Patients is wearing.
Sick of not even being 10th best.
Something needs to give very quickly off the field.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 22:01:33 GMT
Well as i said somewhere else this football can get you results just look at tony pulis. Its just not my type of football. So to clarify, you're not prepared to support the club unless we are playing attractive football? No,it was a general point about supporters over and above our core support of about 5,000 fans. I have not renewed my season ticket because i want to watch more local football as well as not rushing back from trips with my grand kids. I will watch all the midweek games and a few saturday games this season just as i planned to regardless of the football on offer.
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Post by axegas on Sept 19, 2019 22:01:33 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below?
Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 19, 2019 22:09:35 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. Because there is nothing quite like a home win against Salford on a Tuesday night with a decent chance of a point away at Mansfield the following Saturday. Halcyon days....
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 19, 2019 22:11:56 GMT
Where have I said that I do blame DC for a £3m pa loss? Are you seeing things? I’ve said that GC has a budget, governed by SCMP framework, which has players that are part of the squad, which he didn’t sign, didn’t offer contracts to on wages he didn’t offer, and yet that is hampering some of his plans. That isn’t blaming anyone, that’s just facts and reality of his situation. I’m actually sticking up for our current boss who people are booting for not playing a certain way or not signing certain players. But he has recruited very well so far and in the next 12 months we will see a GC side which is his own. I’m sorry that goes against the DC love in, but as much as I am thankful for what he has done, he also left behind a right old hash to sort out. I've said before I doubt very much that DC was involved in any contract negotiations. I doubt GC is involved in any contract negotiations. That is all done by others, not the manager's. So, DC didn't leave a right old hash to sort out, but the people who did create this are still at the club ! DC was given the players he wanted and he was the one who offered the terms to secure them. The scmp budget was still in place and it wasn’t much different to what GC has this year.
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Post by Westy on Sept 19, 2019 22:14:17 GMT
What has that got to do with anything? It means he's tyred. I think he means the size of him?
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Post by aghast on Sept 19, 2019 23:46:26 GMT
Simple solution to all this is give the managers job to Butterfly as he knows everything. Might be worth a punt. He'll be knowledgeable and enthusiastic. And cheap
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 0:27:15 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. Because there is nothing quite like a home win against Salford on a Tuesday night with a decent chance of a point away at Mansfield the following Saturday. Halcyon days.... Compared with a home draw against 10 man Accrington followed by an away trip to Wimbledon you mean? I see what you mean now, it’s a real step up in glamour this league one lark, innit?
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Post by Hudson1883 on Sept 20, 2019 0:36:40 GMT
Because there is nothing quite like a home win against Salford on a Tuesday night with a decent chance of a point away at Mansfield the following Saturday. Halcyon days.... Compared with a home draw against 10 man Accrington followed by an away trip to Wimbledon you mean? I see what you mean now, it’s a real step up in glamour this league one lark, innit? Anyone who would rather be in League 2 for any reason at all, need sectioning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 1:11:04 GMT
Because there is nothing quite like a home win against Salford on a Tuesday night with a decent chance of a point away at Mansfield the following Saturday. Halcyon days.... Compared with a home draw against 10 man Accrington followed by an away trip to Wimbledon you mean? I see what you mean now, it’s a real step up in glamour this league one lark, innit? I think quite a few people think its about time we were playing sheffield wednesday,bristol city and derby county. I mean why not? the potential is genuine and some of had enough of constant massive underachievement. we always miss the bus,if you know for certain that your never going to get anywhere it all seems a bit pointless to me.
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Post by axegas on Sept 20, 2019 1:16:08 GMT
Compared with a home draw against 10 man Accrington followed by an away trip to Wimbledon you mean? I see what you mean now, it’s a real step up in glamour this league one lark, innit? I think quite a few people think its about time we were playing sheffield wednesday,bristol city and derby county.I mean why not? the potential is genuine and some of had enough of constant massive underachievement. we always miss the bus,if you know for certain that your never going to get anywhere it all seems a bit pointless to me. Do they? Most comments I've seen on here have suggested that we've hit a glass ceiling and found our natural level in L1 and if I'm honest I'm inclined to agree with them. Sure there's potential for greater things but that remains theoretical until it is unlocked, something not happening any time soon under our current ownership unfortunately.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 20, 2019 5:55:24 GMT
Compared with a home draw against 10 man Accrington followed by an away trip to Wimbledon you mean? I see what you mean now, it’s a real step up in glamour this league one lark, innit? Anyone who would rather be in League 2 for any reason at all, need sectioning. And yet this forum would be a much happier place if we were top 7 L2, and we'd have higher attendances. I'd bet on that. People get bored of mediocrity. That's why everything feels so flat for some at the moment. Give it 20-30 years if we hypothetically had managed to get to the Championship but been midtable for 5-6 years, I guarantee attendances would again dwindle and people would be questioning the clubs ambition. People always want more. We were in the Conference 5 years ago and some teams have been relegated to the conference longer ago than us and are still there! If someone had offered me 2 straight promotions followed by a few seasons of mediocrity in L1 I'd have taken that without hesitation and I think a lot of people would have. Wrexham fans would surely dream of where we are now. It's only when it's playing out in reality that tedium of it all kicks in and people lose perspective in my opinion.
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 20, 2019 6:19:00 GMT
Simple solution to all this is give the managers job to Butterfly as he knows everything. Might be worth a punt. He'll be knowledgeable and enthusiastic. And cheap And we`ll play a 1 1 8 formation, which will bring the crowds flocking back.
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