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Post by bristolsfinestever on Sept 20, 2019 6:32:03 GMT
Anyone who would rather be in League 2 for any reason at all, need sectioning. And yet this forum would be a much happier place if we were top 7 L2, and we'd have higher attendances. I'd bet on that. People get bored and mediocrity. That's why everything feels so flat for some at the moment. Give it 20-30 years if we hypothetically had managed to get to the Championship but been midtable for 5-6 years, I guarantee attendances would again dwindle and people would be questioning the clubs ambition. People always want more. We were in the Conference 5 years ago and some teams have been relegated to the conference longer ago than us and are still there! If someone had offered me 2 straight promotions followed by a few seasons of mediocrity in L1 I'd have taken that without hesitation and I think a lot of people would have. Wrexham fans would surely dream of where we are now. It's only when it's playing out in reality that tedium of it all kicks in and people lose perspective in my opinion. In the main, a lot of the points made above ring true in my mind. Expectation of a better day is a natural position in football and that is always going to be from wherever you are settled at that time. The difference in view from the first season back in Div 1 to now will link into this mindset. I am not naive enough to not know that there are multiple other factors involved here, such as the perception of broken promises and opportunities missed, or the sytle/quality of football played, but even without that the desire to 'push on' is always there ... this is found in pretty much every club, even those at the top of the Prem e.g. to progress in Europe. If you look at the historical position, top half of Div 1 feels to be correct but again the desire to push on from this is natural. The team South of the river have only historically just been above this as a bottom half of the Championship side, but are now looking to push ahead, as all clubs do. The differnce is the ability in some way to compete against teams with historical superiority with the money provided by their owner ... and maybe that is the added point of frustration, in that there was a belief that when Wael arrived the difference in that respect had been narrowed. Ultimately there are so many factors at play here, as there have been througbout the last 30+ years, but the fallout if things off field do not improve (and who really knows what the outcome will be) could be long lasting ie. the generational aspect and less youngsters attending games, who in turn will not exist as core adult support in years to come.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 20, 2019 6:39:57 GMT
And yet this forum would be a much happier place if we were top 7 L2, and we'd have higher attendances. I'd bet on that. People get bored and mediocrity. That's why everything feels so flat for some at the moment. Give it 20-30 years if we hypothetically had managed to get to the Championship but been midtable for 5-6 years, I guarantee attendances would again dwindle and people would be questioning the clubs ambition. People always want more. We were in the Conference 5 years ago and some teams have been relegated to the conference longer ago than us and are still there! If someone had offered me 2 straight promotions followed by a few seasons of mediocrity in L1 I'd have taken that without hesitation and I think a lot of people would have. Wrexham fans would surely dream of where we are now. It's only when it's playing out in reality that tedium of it all kicks in and people lose perspective in my opinion. In the main, a lot of the points made above ring true in my mind. Expectation of a better day is a natural position in football and that is always going to be from wherever you are settled at that time. The difference in view from the first season back in Div 1 to now will link into this mindset. I am not naive enough to not know that there are multiple other factors involved here, such as the perception of broken promises and opportunities missed, or the sytle/quality of football played, but even without that the desire to 'push on' is always there ... this is found in pretty much every club, even those at the top of the Prem e.g. to progress in Europe. If you look at the historical position, top half of Div 1 feels to be correct but again the desire to push on from this is natural. The team South of the river have only historically just been above this as a bottom half of the Championship side, but are now looking to push ahead, as all clubs do. The differnce is the ability in some way to compete against teams with historical superiority with the money provided by their owner ... and maybe that is the added point of frustration, in that there was a belief that when Wael arrived the difference in that respect had been narrowed. Ultimately there are so many factors at play here, as there have been througbout the last 30+ years, but the fallout if things off field do not improve (and who really knows what the outcome will be) could be long lasting ie. the generational aspect and less youngsters attending games, who in turn will not exist as core adult support in years to come. Cracking post. I completely agree with this.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 20, 2019 7:01:26 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. I would be quiet happy to watch my team get hammered by Leeds when we are in the Championship next season
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 20, 2019 7:19:46 GMT
Because there is nothing quite like a home win against Salford on a Tuesday night with a decent chance of a point away at Mansfield the following Saturday. Halcyon days.... Compared with a home draw against 10 man Accrington followed by an away trip to Wimbledon you mean? I see what you mean now, it’s a real step up in glamour this league one lark, innit? Yes but we also have Sunderland, Ipswich and Portsmouth to look forward to and I would rather play them in L1 thanks very much.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 20, 2019 8:07:22 GMT
Anyone who would rather be in League 2 for any reason at all, need sectioning. And yet this forum would be a much happier place if we were top 7 L2, and we'd have higher attendances. I'd bet on that. People get bored of mediocrity. That's why everything feels so flat for some at the moment. Give it 20-30 years if we hypothetically had managed to get to the Championship but been midtable for 5-6 years, I guarantee attendances would again dwindle and people would be questioning the clubs ambition. People always want more. We were in the Conference 5 years ago and some teams have been relegated to the conference longer ago than us and are still there! If someone had offered me 2 straight promotions followed by a few seasons of mediocrity in L1 I'd have taken that without hesitation and I think a lot of people would have. Wrexham fans would surely dream of where we are now. It's only when it's playing out in reality that tedium of it all kicks in and people lose perspective in my opinion. Too sensible Jomo. Of course you’re right and for all the reasons you’ve said. And what are there in Conference North, 9/10 former league clubs? (I think) In 2014 when we dropped out York City were in League 2 play offs. Now they’ve had a good start to their Conference North season! A failed play off attempt followed by two relegations, I bet they’d bite their arm off to be where we are. And they had those relegations with a board who supported their manager and have built/ are building a new ground. I suspect that our problems come from a frustration over nothing happening over the ground and training facilities. If something was happening the whole atmosphere would change even if we were in the same league position playing the same football. DC let it affect him, GC doesn’t and gets on with the on field stuff. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 20, 2019 11:09:53 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. Agree. Silly thing is I can’t remember a really good season in League 2 when we were pushing for the play offs. We only ever had a good end to squeeze in, usually the first three quarters of the seasons were poor imo. Istr In 2003-4 we started well in August under Atkins but tailed off by October into mid table. In 2006-07 when we went up by the play offs in the Autumn and Winter we weren’t very good but had a spectacular Spring to just get into the play offs and in 15-16 we had a poorish start, couldn’t win at home and had another decent Spring when we were very good. In both those League 2 seasons when we went up I suspect we were below the position we are now at the same time, mid September. So it’s a complete fallacy to think if we were in League 2 we would be automatically winning, teams are in that division for a reason as we were. And to think we would automatically be winning is a horrible sense of entitlement that some fans might believe in but I don’t. Reading what Lincoln fans said about us really smacked of their sense of entitlement to beat us which is stupid and was proved so. We need to be in the highest league we can and do the best we can and it’s up to us to support the team the best we can. I understand the frustration we feel and after the Accrington match I really felt it. (But then I went to watch Somerset play cricket in Southampton and that put Rovers into perspective! ðŸ˜) UTG!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Sept 20, 2019 11:52:50 GMT
I really don’t understand your continued use of DC as the sole blame for 3 million pa debts. That is just not true. It’s a cop out and does not give anything close to a true and real reason for the scale of debt. The other thing, the owners are charging a tidy 6% margin on top of that debt. Does that not tell you anything ? The office has been done to death but DC certianly was not responsible for 3 million of debt per season. Where have I said that I do blame DC for a £3m pa loss? Are you seeing things? I’ve said that GC has a budget, governed by SCMP framework, which has players that are part of the squad, which he didn’t sign, didn’t offer contracts to on wages he didn’t offer, and yet that is hampering some of his plans. That isn’t blaming anyone, that’s just facts and reality of his situation. I’m actually sticking up for our current boss who people are booting for not playing a certain way or not signing certain players. But he has recruited very well so far and in the next 12 months we will see a GC side which is his own. I’m sorry that goes against the DC love in, but as much as I am thankful for what he has done, he also left behind a right old hash to sort out. There is no love in but several of your post allude to debt being down to DC. I totally understand why he had to go but also understand his frustration at unfulfilled promises. Whether you call it a love in or however you wish to frame it, we owe him a debt of gratitude for the promotions and feel good factor , that came with that. I know we, as fans, are not entitled to know of the financial dealings but there is much more than DC to be used for that situation. I would imagine that, given you family to Ed, you would know much more. I just feel it’s poor form to blame DC. It’s as simple as that, no agenda and no love in but I am grateful that he got us to where he said he would plus I doubt we will see the likes of turning down a much bigger and better supported club again. BTW, I have no hate or even dislike of GC. I could only make assumptions as to his type of management style. My own personal thoughts is that many are saying it’s not his team but we have seem many managers inherit teams and make the most of it. It doesn’t really need me saying it but supporters are showing their thoughts with not coming.
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Post by kwp on Sept 21, 2019 2:24:42 GMT
And yet this forum would be a much happier place if we were top 7 L2, and we'd have higher attendances. I'd bet on that. People get bored and mediocrity. That's why everything feels so flat for some at the moment. Give it 20-30 years if we hypothetically had managed to get to the Championship but been midtable for 5-6 years, I guarantee attendances would again dwindle and people would be questioning the clubs ambition. People always want more. We were in the Conference 5 years ago and some teams have been relegated to the conference longer ago than us and are still there! If someone had offered me 2 straight promotions followed by a few seasons of mediocrity in L1 I'd have taken that without hesitation and I think a lot of people would have. Wrexham fans would surely dream of where we are now. It's only when it's playing out in reality that tedium of it all kicks in and people lose perspective in my opinion. In the main, a lot of the points made above ring true in my mind. Expectation of a better day is a natural position in football and that is always going to be from wherever you are settled at that time. The difference in view from the first season back in Div 1 to now will link into this mindset. I am not naive enough to not know that there are multiple other factors involved here, such as the perception of broken promises and opportunities missed, or the sytle/quality of football played, but even without that the desire to 'push on' is always there ... this is found in pretty much every club, even those at the top of the Prem e.g. to progress in Europe. If you look at the historical position, top half of Div 1 feels to be correct but again the desire to push on from this is natural. The team South of the river have only historically just been above this as a bottom half of the Championship side, but are now looking to push ahead, as all clubs do. The differnce is the ability in some way to compete against teams with historical superiority with the money provided by their owner ... and maybe that is the added point of frustration, in that there was a belief that when Wael arrived the difference in that respect had been narrowed. Ultimately there are so many factors at play here, as there have been througbout the last 30+ years, but the fallout if things off field do not improve (and who really knows what the outcome will be) could be long lasting ie. the generational aspect and less youngsters attending games, who in turn will not exist as core adult support in years to come. We have an ageing fan base too. Factor that in and it’s doesn’t bode well
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 21, 2019 6:27:55 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. Fans just want to be entertained even if we aren't pushing for top 6 place, all GC seems to worry about is grinding out a result at all costs but do fans really just want to see us try and scrape a 1-0 win every match? G1989 is deluded if he thinks GC is suddenly going to sign, and more importantly, play attacking players once Beano, Nicko and Rodders are off the wage bill, all we'll get is more workman like players like Ogogo. I doubt bringing in one additional winger would have broken the wage budget this summer if we've now found money to offer JCH a decent pay rise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 7:20:55 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. Why can't we push for promotion in league 1? But yeah, after watching the austerity football of GC, you have to wonder if relegation last season wouldn't have been so bad...
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2019 7:23:16 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. Watching football/ following the Gas is apart of the entertainment industry regardless if people like to think of it as being so or not. I go to work in order to make money to survive - buy food,clothes pay my rent, etc... Supporting Rovers is a hobby of mine that I choose to do in my spare time.Big difference, and I want value for my buck. I want Rovers to win of course,but I would rather us float around being a mid table- top half championship club with every other year having a run at the playoffs /promotion and playing attacking football and having the excitement of hope, and chasing a dream rather then being a mid table Premiership side that has no highs,nor lows to enjoy as part of my experience of supporting the gas. I wouldnt want us to drop down to L2 again in order to get that feeling,and come 3pm I want us to win.But being a Gas fan is about much more than just winning.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 21, 2019 10:13:18 GMT
Genuine question, instead of being a mediocre L1 team, would people rather us get relegated if it meant a couple of seasons of pushing for the playoffs and having more success than we have now just in the division below? Seems like many don’t care about the standard of football, they just want to see their team win more often than not. Why can't we push for promotion in league 1? But yeah, after watching the austerity football of GC, you have to wonder if relegation last season wouldn't have been so bad... Rovers history to date has generally been that of a mediocre old 3rd division club. Underpinned by very poor club stewardship and no money. The current manager and squad imo is what we deserve, it is sad to see a number of supporters chasing a unicorn in the form of finding the holy grail which the rational amongst our considerable ranks, in our heads if not in our hearts, know it is not going to happen any time soon.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2019 10:34:02 GMT
Why can't we push for promotion in league 1? But yeah, after watching the austerity football of GC, you have to wonder if relegation last season wouldn't have been so bad... Rovers history to date has generally been that of a mediocre old 3rd division club. Underpinned by very poor club stewardship and no money. The current manager and squad imo is what we deserve, it is sad to see a number of supporters chasing a unicorn in the form of finding the holy grail which the rational amongst our considerable ranks, in our heads if not in our hearts, know it is not going to happen any time soon. One day our ship will sail into port and we will be waiting at Avonmouth, trouble is it will dock at Portbury.......
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Post by gaschat on Sept 21, 2019 15:56:41 GMT
In many ways this is both an optimistic and sad thread but its full of common sense...something often lacking on all football, cricket and rugby fans forums, and yes I’m on the Bristol Rugby forum and I’ve read some nonsense on there, One thing which always occurs to me though is that we have many blessings, we’re back in the League and have been successful to have been promoted and are consolidating our L1 status, although the current ownership is a joke at least we have our own ground and are not renting at Bath or wherever, our fan base is ok for L1 and the team is not the worst. A little bit of success will change the mood considerably, probably not promotion this year but a rock solid home record from now until May would help and swell gates. To a degree I really don’t care that much about how we win because it’s winning that counts, that will be followed by confidence and then performance will follow. I also think forgetting about a new ground will help the mood because I honestly can’t even begin to see the commercial logic for anyone to make the investment needed, given where we are now. A few years of consistent performance with gates in 5 figures and perhaps it will happen but until then we should concentrate on supporting the team and enjoying ourselves on match days.
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Post by axegas on Sept 21, 2019 16:15:23 GMT
Not going to go into the off the pitch side of things but on it I see plenty of ambition and heart. Graham Coughlan is winner, he sets up to win games even if it’s not pretty on the eye and he’s found a 5-3-2 formation that has been very successful for us. We’ve got a goal scorer in JCH who is determined to make a name for himself and get back to the championship, we’ve got Alfie Kilgour establishing himself in the first team squad and looking a class act and we’ve got a reliable old head in Tony Craig who is a good influence on the younger players. Of course there is a dark cloud lingering over the football club with regards to the stadium and training ground as there usually is at Rovers but away from that I see a good manager and a team that deserves the fans support.
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Post by mftc on Oct 14, 2019 17:31:21 GMT
Credit to GC. He has instilled passion in the squad.
If anyone thinks the team have no heart look at the goal celebrations and those at the end of the game. I particularly liked the arms round the shoulder and hugs for Cameron Hargreaves from young and old "team mates". Andre Jnr and Meyanese were so chuffed for him.
We have a great team spirit, so fair play to GC.
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Post by 1883 on Oct 14, 2019 20:59:40 GMT
Pleased to see positivity returning to most of our Fans, the constant whinging was getting on my wick!
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Post by lincsblue on Oct 14, 2019 22:18:47 GMT
Gates are rising too
Gillingham was 6,370 Rotherham 7,321 MK Franchise 7,864
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