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Post by Gassy on Feb 10, 2020 8:07:52 GMT
So we could play all of our new players then? Theoretically yes but in reality I'm not sure how you get Ginnelly, Mitchell-Lawson, Daly, Abraham & Barrett into the same side unless you're leaving out JCH. Easy. --------Blackman---- -----Harries--Davies ------Ogogo-Upson---- ---------Barrett--- Ginnelly------Mitchell-Lawson ----Daly--JCH--Abraham That should sort the defensive problems out. I call it the 4-3-2-3 defend from the front formation. Should be plenty of goals & bring the crowds back. You're welcome, Ben.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Feb 10, 2020 8:24:14 GMT
I must say I am bit unsure why more of the new players are not starting games. What did we bring in 7, I would like to see them all on the pitch at the same time.. and keep any of the "leaders" in the mix too. There are a few players that haven't performed all season, some that haven't been great since BG came in.. don't see why we can't go with the new players to start at Tranmere personally. Prenton Park is a mudheap, the new signings are not up to L1 fitness and won't last 45 minutes on it. Come to that the energy level of the whole team has dropped since GC left. You need pace and effort in L1.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Feb 10, 2020 8:26:26 GMT
I must say I am bit unsure why more of the new players are not starting games. What did we bring in 7, I would like to see them all on the pitch at the same time.. and keep any of the "leaders" in the mix too. There are a few players that haven't performed all season, some that haven't been great since BG came in.. don't see why we can't go with the new players to start at Tranmere personally. Prenton Park is a mudheap, the new signings are not up to L1 fitness and won't last 45 minutes on it. Come to that the energy level of the whole team has dropped since GC left. You need pace and effort in L1. Hoofball will be the winner on the day. We won’t be able to play a passing game.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 10, 2020 8:50:34 GMT
Prenton Park is a mudheap, the new signings are not up to L1 fitness and won't last 45 minutes on it. Come to that the energy level of the whole team has dropped since GC left. You need pace and effort in L1. Hoofball will be the winner on the day. We won’t be able to play a passing game. Yeah but, "We want to try to achieve wins as quickly as possible but I am not going to deviate away from that plan" So can we expect no adaption/change to our usual tactics? And if we don't change/adapt to play on an awful pitch that struggles to support a passing game, does that make him a good or bad manager?
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Post by socrates on Feb 10, 2020 9:02:14 GMT
I must say I am bit unsure why more of the new players are not starting games. What did we bring in 7, I would like to see them all on the pitch at the same time.. and keep any of the "leaders" in the mix too. There are a few players that haven't performed all season, some that haven't been great since BG came in.. don't see why we can't go with the new players to start at Tranmere personally. Prenton Park is a mudheap, the new signings are not up to L1 fitness and won't last 45 minutes on it. Come to that the energy level of the whole team has dropped since GC left. You need pace and effort in L1. Yeah the sides that win promotion from league 1 are normally big strong and quick ,and they get the ball forward quickly not little, and slow with a patient build up which is what we now are and were under DC last season. It didn’t work then and it isn’t working now. I really hope these new signings can make a difference.
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Post by Rod1883 on Feb 10, 2020 9:25:17 GMT
As I started this, I'll try to answer some of the points made by others. Whilst using past performance as a predictor of the future is simplistic at best, there are some mitigating factors to make it perhaps more reliable here than in, for example, a sales environment. There is the fact that the transfer window is now closed so no team can bring in new talent (apart from perhaps a free agent - but if there is someone out there that can turn a poor team into a great one overnight, why are they a free agent?). Yes a new manager may be brought in and that could change things of course. 9 games is, I feel, a reasonable sample size compared to the whole season to allow performance to be gauged against a range of the other teams in the league. Of course it isn't perfect, but it did show, that is nothing drastic changes, we will be safe, but only by one or two league positions.
The bigger risk is that our malaise, if it continues, will carry over into the new season. Therefore it is vital that the new way of playing starts to work soon with the new players playing a big role. I suspect that a playmaking central midfielder was wanted in the January window, but imagine we just couldn't find one.
I think that BG has to show at least the green shoots of a recovery in performances and results if he is to keep his job, and if he can do that I expect he will be given time and hopefully more backing to bring in some more pieces if the jigsaw to make it work over the summer. If he can find those players, and it does work, then it could be some really good football we are watching next season.
I may be giving our owners more credit than is due in the next point, but I am wondering if they thought that BG could still make a promotion push whilst changing our style to that more suited to the higher division? Looking at the Championship table, three of the bottom four are those that went up last season. Perhaps the board thought we have a chance of getting there, but to stay up we would need to change drastically and saw GC's departure as a chance to start to make that change?
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Post by Nortongashead on Feb 10, 2020 10:24:06 GMT
There is always a danger when you look at our form since BG came to the club. Personally I think we will stay up and get to 50 points ish. Coughlanball wasn’t sustainable for the the club as a whole but credit to him he managed to save us from relegation and got us to 4th. Our luck was going to run out, losing our best GK in ages, Davies injuries losing Hare’s assists and crosses into the box. We are still hamstrung by DCs transfer nightmares. The club on the pitch reflects that off it at the moment. Poor leadership and a lack of direction from the owners is reaping poor dividends at the moment. Feel sorry the most for us the supporters we deserve a better ran club. Time to demand better.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 10, 2020 11:17:58 GMT
Losing becomes a habit and the players will inevitably associate losing with Ben Garner. The longer we accept it, the more normalized it becomes. Very dangerous in any team, but in a team stacked with youngsters it is much worse. Its not about the damage we are doing this season, it's more about the damage we are potentially already doing to the next one. Excellent post. Absolutely bang on the money.
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Post by albaron on Feb 10, 2020 11:22:55 GMT
Theoretically yes but in reality I'm not sure how you get Ginnelly, Mitchell-Lawson, Daly, Abraham & Barrett into the same side unless you're leaving out JCH. Easy. --------Blackman---- -----Harries--Davies ------Ogogo-Upson---- ---------Barrett--- Ginnelly------Mitchell-Lawson ----Daly--JCH--Abraham That should sort the defensive problems out. I call it the 4-3-2-3 defend from the front formation. Should be plenty of goals & bring the crowds back. You're welcome, Ben. Think that could be a very good side to put out against Blackpool ( Minus Davies ) But not Tranmere on that awful pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 12:18:17 GMT
Ordinarily 52pts would guarantee survival. With only three relegation places, and Bolton effectively down, we need Tranmere and Southend to continue dropping points. So we should be safe barring an astonishing turn around by one or both of them. By definition our games against these two are 6 pointers for us. But the real issue is that this is a poor league this season (I was underwhelmed by Wycombe on Saturday) and it is GC’s work that will keep us up not the apprentice BG.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 10, 2020 12:24:00 GMT
Easy. --------Blackman---- -----Harries--Davies ------Ogogo-Upson---- ---------Barrett--- Ginnelly------Mitchell-Lawson ----Daly--JCH--Abraham That should sort the defensive problems out. I call it the 4-3-2-3 defend from the front formation. Should be plenty of goals & bring the crowds back. You're welcome, Ben. Think that could be a very good side to put out against Blackpool ( Minus Davies ) But not Tranmere on that awful pitch. Davies now injured. The entire chemistry of the team is gone, it would never work 😢
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Post by socrates on Feb 10, 2020 12:42:33 GMT
Think that could be a very good side to put out against Blackpool ( Minus Davies ) But not Tranmere on that awful pitch. Davies now injured. The entire chemistry of the team is gone, it would never work 😢 Just go harries on his own at the back. Can’t beat the 1-2-7 formation.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 10, 2020 12:47:04 GMT
Davies now injured. The entire chemistry of the team is gone, it would never work 😢 Just go harries on his own at the back. Can’t beat the 1-2-7 formation. That’s true, but who did you add to the attacking 4, Reilly?
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Post by socrates on Feb 10, 2020 12:50:11 GMT
Just go harries on his own at the back. Can’t beat the 1-2-7 formation. That’s true, but who did you add to the attacking 4, Reilly? On second thoughts.....
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Post by sipirate on Feb 10, 2020 12:55:11 GMT
That’s true, but who did you add to the attacking 4, Reilly? On second thoughts..... No I think we will be okay, Wycombe position is false because they play long ball. I am surprised the fans are not in uproar over the style of play Ainsworth has got them playing. I would love going back to long ball, ohh the days
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Post by socrates on Feb 10, 2020 12:58:34 GMT
No I think we will be okay, Wycombe position is false because they play long ball. I am surprised the fans are not in uproar over the style of play Ainsworth has got them playing. I would love going back to long ball, ohh the days I was in uproar because people were in uproar , I still can’t get my head around how so many were complaining when we were looking good for a top six. Rovers supporters have changed.
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Post by sipirate on Feb 10, 2020 13:00:58 GMT
No I think we will be okay, Wycombe position is false because they play long ball. I am surprised the fans are not in uproar over the style of play Ainsworth has got them playing. I would love going back to long ball, ohh the days I was in uproar because people were in uproar , I still can’t get my head around how so many were complaining when we were looking good for a top six. Rovers supporters have changed. I know tell me about it, What i would do for one of those 'lucky years' we had playing that type of football. I have never known a team to have such luck over the course of a year really. our 'false' position was incredible over that year too. I would love a false position right now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 13:50:14 GMT
No danger of going down but for me this is really not the point!
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Post by markczgas on Feb 10, 2020 14:11:19 GMT
NO
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Post by barleycorn48 on Feb 10, 2020 14:22:06 GMT
I have been a regular at Rovers since 1963. "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE". I remember we were safe when John Ward left and Darrell Clark took over we thought we would never drop out the the league.
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