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Post by WeAreTheGas on Mar 4, 2020 7:16:10 GMT
Crowdfund for modest stadium upgrades as I believe we once did with the North terrace roof. Lobby/petition the club to sell the land we're never going to do anything with in Almondsbury in order to fund modest stadium upgrades. Longer term, found a fit for purpose SC ready to reform the club if it can't be made sustainable and goes under. The board don't want any outside help from crowd funding etc apparently. markczgas can confirm. Why would they want outside help? The finance is in place. Or something like that.
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Post by Nortongashead on Mar 4, 2020 8:27:02 GMT
It is Wael's train set and nobody else is allowed to play with it!
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Post by markczgas on Mar 4, 2020 8:46:32 GMT
Rovers have known hard times before and in terms of league position worse than today, but there is a pervading sense of inertia, hopelessness and failure around the Mem and in our supporter community. Years of rudderless and disengaged leadership, deplorable communications and lack of care for supporters have taken us to this position. The unfathomable appointment of Garner is just the latest example of poor decision making on and off the pitch by a boardroom that doesn't seem to have a clue and an owner that frankly has lost interest. Woeful, in any respectable business enterprise where the shareholders could influence events they would all have gone a long time ago. Now it has come inevitably to the point where we are stuck with an imposter of a manager who is destined to lead us to new depths of despair unless action is taken quickly. I don't think Garner has lost the dressing room, I doubt he ever had it. Players can spot a fake when they see one, performances on the pitch are testimony to that. Talk of a footballing revolution at Rovers are pie in the sky and Garner certainly isn't the man to deliver it, it's simply words designed to persuade us that he needs more time. To do what, based on the evidence so far? How on earth are we going to obtain the players he says he needs based on our financial situation and how his acquisitions have fared to this point? Hardly compelling. I know some of us will argue that Garner needs more time to show what he can do, but I think great danger lies in that approach. We will probably get lucky and win a few games before the end of this season (although right now I am not sure where and how) but that is not a compelling reason to retain the manager. Next season he won't inherit a safety points blanket and we will face a relegation fight and spiral into failure. Any board with real leadership quality would grip the situation immediately, admit their terrible mistake and say goodbye to Garner. But this hapless bunch ...... So what can we do? It's football so our options as a non fan-owned club are limited, but we have to keep the pressure on the owner and the board. I am sure(?) they understand financial logic and once they see that they and the club are losing more money (attendance, season tickets) by retaining Garner than offloading him, they will act. As for the bigger problem of overall club leadership, new stadium etc, miracles can happen ..... A very loyal Gashead indeed !
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Post by Icegas on Mar 4, 2020 9:19:50 GMT
True but I always seem to find that whenever we get 9 or 10 thousand, we struggle to perform under pressure and the atmosphere is always a bit more nervy. It could serve as a bit of a kick up the back side to the players and owners alike if we only get 5,500. Would be detrimental to the club though. That's catch 22 right there. You want improvements to the Team, which needs money but until they improve you don't want to pay to watch them. Thats no right.Under DC we were getting 9k/10k weekly for a few seasons and got two promotions and had a decent first season back in L1.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 4, 2020 9:34:46 GMT
In terms of BG that situation will resolve itself at some point.
He has won 1 game in 18 so far, does anyone really believe that he will still be here if that record becomes 1 win in 25,50...100 games here? Of course not he will be gone.
I kinda like the idea of giving a manager time to build long term like in the old days, but only if you see what the manager/club are trying to do on regards to style,pattern of play and results.We see no of that since BG has been here.Even those good games that "we so called" played 4/5 games ago we were not thhat good and didnt have any style to our game.
As for the ownership/ ground etc.. well the only way that will change is to be as nosey and vocal towards the owners until they are forced to sell or try and progress us with the Stadium.
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Post by cookinongas on Mar 4, 2020 12:55:22 GMT
Rovers always seem to be a club on life support but you just hope one day something or someone will come along & give some of the most loyal & long suffering fans in the country a club they deserve. I was only thinking about this this morning, we've always been the poor relation to the she teds, we are tinpot now back in the 70's we called ourselves "Ragbag Rovers". There are teams in the Prem and Championship that we used to play season after season in Div 3. It would have been so nice to kick on from our two succesive promotions with some investment in the team to carry on the momentum instead of which we have taken an almighty step backwards.
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Post by baggins on Mar 4, 2020 13:23:17 GMT
Rovers always seem to be a club on life support but you just hope one day something or someone will come along & give some of the most loyal & long suffering fans in the country a club they deserve. I was only thinking about this this morning, we've always been the poor relation to the she teds, we are tinpot now back in the 70's we called ourselves "Ragbag Rovers". There are teams in the Prem and Championship that we used to play season after season in Div 3. It would have been so nice to kick on from our two succesive promotions with some investment in the team to carry on the momentum instead of which we have taken an almighty step backwards. There's quite a few Teams I've watched against the Gas that are either no longer with us, or in the Conference.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 4, 2020 18:12:48 GMT
Maybe Wael needs to be carried down Glos Rd to feel loved again.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Mar 4, 2020 19:15:58 GMT
I lost faith in Garner more than a month ago, but like it or lump it, I believe he is here to stay for the foreseeable. As for protests etc, my thought is that for many, going to Rovers is a habit. For those who go when we are winning, they’ll just find something else to do on a Saturday until we are good again. The majority of the rest will continue to go through the turnstiles, moan about the game to mates afterwards and then do it all again in a fortnight’s time. To think of the absolute sh it that we have been dragged through over the years, I’d say trying to organise a demonstration or protest with Gasheads would be about as easy as catching smoke with your hands.
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Post by aghast on Mar 4, 2020 22:05:06 GMT
I lost faith in Garner more than a month ago, but like it or lump it, I believe he is here to stay for the foreseeable. As for protests etc, my thought is that for many, going to Rovers is a habit. For those who go when we are winning, they’ll just find something else to do on a Saturday until we are good again. The majority of the rest will continue to go through the turnstiles, moan about the game to mates afterwards and then do it all again in a fortnight’s time. To think of the absolute sh it that we have been dragged through over the years, I’d say trying to organise a demonstration or protest with Gasheads would be about as easy as catching smoke with your hands. Being totally honest, I would support a demo or show of our views, and would attend, but I'm not going to organise it. I don't know enough other fans and I don't have any influential contacts. There must be some who do and can, and I can think of one or two on this forum who might step up. Of course, we have to establish what our views are first, and what it is we're protesting about. To some it'll be demanding that Wael quits, or sells up, or something. To others it'll be that we sack Garner and appoint Holloway or Warnock, or DC. Others will demand that we refund season ticket costs because the season is now pointless. Almost literally. And there will always be the 'we want a new stadium and we want you to make us one. Now." brigade. Not easy, this protesting stuff.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 4, 2020 22:41:56 GMT
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Post by mjhgas on Mar 4, 2020 22:46:27 GMT
The only demonstration to affect the club is 11,000 in the ground watching for 3 home games on the trot - with 10,000 locked out demonstrating in the car-park that they cant get in.
They'd think about building a new ground then!
Until then, what's the point?
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Post by aghast on Mar 4, 2020 22:57:10 GMT
That's a good idea Stuart. I'd be willing to participate in a group working out a form of words. Perhaps setting out the major issues like no stadium news despite earlier statements, no development of the training ground, and total lack of communication from the owners. I have no real idea how this could be done. A WhatsApp group for those interested? And then to present a draft petition on this forum, to later be released on other social media?
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Post by axegas on Mar 4, 2020 23:32:31 GMT
That's a good idea Stuart. I'd be willing to participate in a group working out a form of words. Perhaps setting out the major issues like no stadium news despite earlier statements, no development of the training ground, and total lack of communication from the owners. I have no real idea how this could be done. A WhatsApp group for those interested? And then to present a draft petition on this forum, to later be released on other social media? Someone could set up private message group on here for that purpose to get some text together, I’d be interested in that. It could be an effective method, to get the owners attention, especially if lots sign it. Might not change things but at least it would publicly air some of the grievances the fan base have and allow for an open dialogue.
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Post by barumgas on Mar 5, 2020 10:55:22 GMT
I would expect the vast majority of fans would sign
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Post by Gassy on Mar 5, 2020 11:28:08 GMT
That's a good idea Stuart. I'd be willing to participate in a group working out a form of words. Perhaps setting out the major issues like no stadium news despite earlier statements, no development of the training ground, and total lack of communication from the owners. I have no real idea how this could be done. A WhatsApp group for those interested? And then to present a draft petition on this forum, to later be released on other social media? Someone could set up private message group on here for that purpose to get some text together, I’d be interested in that. It could be an effective method, to get the owners attention, especially if lots sign it. Might not change things but at least it would publicly air some of the grievances the fan base have and allow for an open dialogue. Count me in for assistance of this message! Perhaps we can get a sign up on this thread? aghast axegas stuart1974 Gassy Anyone else? If tommym9 is interested, I'd like him to join. His insights from his interview with Hamer previously will be useful and he has a lot of reach with supporters?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 11:42:16 GMT
I really can't think us fans can do anything to help Wael and Starnes and even the supporters club seem to have fallen out with them.
How can we help if they do not ask or tell us anything?
How can the club survive more than a couple more seasons if nothing changes in how this pair manage the club?
If there is some plan then this pair need to be selling it to fans and get their support and buy in.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 5, 2020 12:10:02 GMT
Death by a thousand cuts.when the championship splits from the efl and cherry picks the likes of Sunderland from the bottom 2 divisions. No one will be investing in this club.
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Post by aghast on Mar 5, 2020 17:10:25 GMT
Someone could set up private message group on here for that purpose to get some text together, I’d be interested in that. It could be an effective method, to get the owners attention, especially if lots sign it. Might not change things but at least it would publicly air some of the grievances the fan base have and allow for an open dialogue. Count me in for assistance of this message! Perhaps we can get a sign up on this thread? aghast axegas stuart1974 Gassy Anyone else? If tommym9 is interested, I'd like him to join. His insights from his interview with Hamer previously will be useful and he has a lot of reach with supporters? Count me in. It might not achieve anything, but then again it might. I can't see what harm raising our concerns can do, if it's done in a respectful manner. I think the club would find it difficult not to respond to a communication on behalf of the main fans' forum. I'm not sure how to set up a private message group on this forum. Perhaps a mod could advise?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 5, 2020 17:26:48 GMT
Count me in for assistance of this message! Perhaps we can get a sign up on this thread? aghast axegas stuart1974 Gassy Anyone else? If tommym9 is interested, I'd like him to join. His insights from his interview with Hamer previously will be useful and he has a lot of reach with supporters? Count me in. It might not achieve anything, but then again it might. I can't see what harm raising our concerns can do, if it's done in a respectful manner. I think the club would find it difficult not to respond to a communication on behalf of the main fans' forum. I'm not sure how to set up a private message group on this forum. Perhaps a mod could advise? I'll do it tomorrow amongst us 4 unless any others would like to join - I'll wait to see if more will join. I'm especially keen to hear from Tommy either way because I seem to remember a letter previously to the club, which ended up granting Tommy his interview with Hamer in the first place.
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