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Post by gasometer020590 on Mar 3, 2020 11:41:52 GMT
Rovers have known hard times before and in terms of league position worse than today, but there is a pervading sense of inertia, hopelessness and failure around the Mem and in our supporter community. Years of rudderless and disengaged leadership, deplorable communications and lack of care for supporters have taken us to this position. The unfathomable appointment of Garner is just the latest example of poor decision making on and off the pitch by a boardroom that doesn't seem to have a clue and an owner that frankly has lost interest. Woeful, in any respectable business enterprise where the shareholders could influence events they would all have gone a long time ago.
Now it has come inevitably to the point where we are stuck with an imposter of a manager who is destined to lead us to new depths of despair unless action is taken quickly. I don't think Garner has lost the dressing room, I doubt he ever had it. Players can spot a fake when they see one, performances on the pitch are testimony to that. Talk of a footballing revolution at Rovers are pie in the sky and Garner certainly isn't the man to deliver it, it's simply words designed to persuade us that he needs more time. To do what, based on the evidence so far? How on earth are we going to obtain the players he says he needs based on our financial situation and how his acquisitions have fared to this point? Hardly compelling.
I know some of us will argue that Garner needs more time to show what he can do, but I think great danger lies in that approach. We will probably get lucky and win a few games before the end of this season (although right now I am not sure where and how) but that is not a compelling reason to retain the manager. Next season he won't inherit a safety points blanket and we will face a relegation fight and spiral into failure. Any board with real leadership quality would grip the situation immediately, admit their terrible mistake and say goodbye to Garner. But this hapless bunch ......
So what can we do? It's football so our options as a non fan-owned club are limited, but we have to keep the pressure on the owner and the board. I am sure(?) they understand financial logic and once they see that they and the club are losing more money (attendance, season tickets) by retaining Garner than offloading him, they will act. As for the bigger problem of overall club leadership, new stadium etc, miracles can happen .....
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2020 11:48:52 GMT
Nope. Nothing.
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Post by gregsy on Mar 3, 2020 11:57:01 GMT
I've been of the stance that with board members falling out, and an awful lot of uncertainty about the leadership of the club, it must make you wonder what Ben Garners thoughts are about what kind of business he got himself involved in?
Not a particularly unified one I'd imagine! Now that's not an excuse for the poor results but it can't help. I really think that the club need to pull all of its entities and fans together through communication, and then at least we can start believing we're in safe hands. But it feels a long way off at the moment....
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2020 12:00:24 GMT
I've been of the stance that with board members falling out, and an awful lot of uncertainty about the leadership of the club, it must make you wonder what Ben Garners thoughts are about what kind of business he got himself involved in? Not a particularly unified one I'd imagine! Now that's not an excuse for the poor results but it can't help. I really think that the club need to pull all of its entities and fans together through communication, and then at least we can start believing we're in safe hands. But it feels a long way off at the moment.... That doesn't really answer the question does it? |
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Post by gregsy on Mar 3, 2020 12:02:17 GMT
I've been of the stance that with board members falling out, and an awful lot of uncertainty about the leadership of the club, it must make you wonder what Ben Garners thoughts are about what kind of business he got himself involved in? Not a particularly unified one I'd imagine! Now that's not an excuse for the poor results but it can't help. I really think that the club need to pull all of its entities and fans together through communication, and then at least we can start believing we're in safe hands. But it feels a long way off at the moment.... That doesn't really answer the question does it? I guess not, I suppose my answer is 'nothing' then.... |
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2020 12:03:50 GMT
That doesn't really answer the question does it? I guess not, I suppose my answer is 'nothing' then.... Don't beat yourself up, it was a damned fine answer. |
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Post by peterparker on Mar 3, 2020 12:23:49 GMT
Maybe people could do something, but they have to be bothered to do it first
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Post by Marshy on Mar 3, 2020 12:29:30 GMT
Rovers have known hard times before and in terms of league position worse than today, but there is a pervading sense of inertia, hopelessness and failure around the Mem and in our supporter community. Years of rudderless and disengaged leadership, deplorable communications and lack of care for supporters have taken us to this position. The unfathomable appointment of Garner is just the latest example of poor decision making on and off the pitch by a boardroom that doesn't seem to have a clue and an owner that frankly has lost interest. Woeful, in any respectable business enterprise where the shareholders could influence events they would all have gone a long time ago. Now it has come inevitably to the point where we are stuck with an imposter of a manager who is destined to lead us to new depths of despair unless action is taken quickly. I don't think Garner has lost the dressing room, I doubt he ever had it. Players can spot a fake when they see one, performances on the pitch are testimony to that. Talk of a footballing revolution at Rovers are pie in the sky and Garner certainly isn't the man to deliver it, it's simply words designed to persuade us that he needs more time. To do what, based on the evidence so far? How on earth are we going to obtain the players he says he needs based on our financial situation and how his acquisitions have fared to this point? Hardly compelling. I know some of us will argue that Garner needs more time to show what he can do, but I think great danger lies in that approach. We will probably get lucky and win a few games before the end of this season (although right now I am not sure where and how) but that is not a compelling reason to retain the manager. Next season he won't inherit a safety points blanket and we will face a relegation fight and spiral into failure. Any board with real leadership quality would grip the situation immediately, admit their terrible mistake and say goodbye to Garner. But this hapless bunch ...... So what can we do? It's football so our options as a non fan-owned club are limited, but we have to keep the pressure on the owner and the board. I am sure(?) they understand financial logic and once they see that they and the club are losing more money (attendance, season tickets) by retaining Garner than offloading him, they will act. As for the bigger problem of overall club leadership, new stadium etc, miracles can happen ..... Cool story bro! 👍 |
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Post by axegas on Mar 3, 2020 12:45:37 GMT
Vote with your feet if you really want to. At the end of the day, the decision to attend Rovers home games every other Saturday is a personal one and if lots of people make the choice to do something else on Saturday’s that sends a signal to the board of the general feeling of the supporters.
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2020 12:49:23 GMT
Vote with your feet if you really want to. At the end of the day, the decision to attend Rovers home games every other Saturday is a personal one and if lots of people make the choice to do something else on Saturday’s that sends a signal to the board of the general feeling of the supporters. I think it sends more of a signal to the Team that they're just not worth watching. Which is a shame. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 3, 2020 12:53:53 GMT
Vote with your feet if you really want to. At the end of the day, the decision to attend Rovers home games every other Saturday is a personal one and if lots of people make the choice to do something else on Saturday’s that sends a signal to the board of the general feeling of the supporters. I think it sends more of a signal to the Team that they're just not worth watching. Which is a shame. True but I always seem to find that whenever we get 9 or 10 thousand, we struggle to perform under pressure and the atmosphere is always a bit more nervy. It could serve as a bit of a kick up the back side to the players and owners alike if we only get say 5,500 turn up. Would be detrimental to the long term prospects of the club though. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2020 12:55:42 GMT
I think it sends more of a signal to the Team that they're just not worth watching. Which is a shame. True but I always seem to find that whenever we get 9 or 10 thousand, we struggle to perform under pressure and the atmosphere is always a bit more nervy. It could serve as a bit of a kick up the back side to the players and owners alike if we only get 5,500. Would be detrimental to the club though. That's catch 22 right there. You want improvements to the Team, which needs money but until they improve you don't want to pay to watch them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 13:04:58 GMT
I've been of the stance that with board members falling out, and an awful lot of uncertainty about the leadership of the club, it must make you wonder what Ben Garners thoughts are about what kind of business he got himself involved in? Not a particularly unified one I'd imagine! Now that's not an excuse for the poor results but it can't help. I really think that the club need to pull all of its entities and fans together through communication, and then at least we can start believing we're in safe hands. But it feels a long way off at the moment.... Heh heh......You said communication! |
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Post by Marshy on Mar 3, 2020 13:14:27 GMT
I've been of the stance that with board members falling out, and an awful lot of uncertainty about the leadership of the club, it must make you wonder what Ben Garners thoughts are about what kind of business he got himself involved in? Not a particularly unified one I'd imagine! Now that's not an excuse for the poor results but it can't help. I really think that the club need to pull all of its entities and fans together through communication, and then at least we can start believing we're in safe hands. But it feels a long way off at the moment.... Heh heh......You said communication! Complete filth, that word belongs in the gentleman’s lounge! |
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Post by francegas on Mar 3, 2020 13:15:53 GMT
I've been of the stance that with board members falling out, and an awful lot of uncertainty about the leadership of the club, it must make you wonder what Ben Garners thoughts are about what kind of business he got himself involved in? Not a particularly unified one I'd imagine! Now that's not an excuse for the poor results but it can't help. I really think that the club need to pull all of its entities and fans together through communication, and then at least we can start believing we're in safe hands. But it feels a long way off at the moment.... Heh heh......You said communication! Should be an immediate ban for trying to conceal a song title. Communication....Spandau Ballet 1983 |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 3, 2020 13:18:29 GMT
Why not join the SC and stand to replace who will be the outgoing director?
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2020 13:24:52 GMT
Why not join the SC and stand to replace who will be the outgoing director? Do you have to stand much only I prefer a nice comfy chair these days. |
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Post by keygas on Mar 3, 2020 13:27:10 GMT
Rovers always seem to be a club on life support but you just hope one day something or someone will come along & give some of the most loyal & long suffering fans in the country a club they deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 13:35:24 GMT
No
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2020 13:46:55 GMT
Rovers always seem to be a club on life support but you just hope one day something or someone will come along & give some of the most loyal & long suffering fans in the country a club they deserve. Unfortunately, this day is far off. We just have to suffer our trenches and carry on. |
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