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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 19:22:10 GMT
No you don't, but that to me suggests there is room for improvement. Shows we can go on a run like Mansfield did a couple of years ago. Often teams get promoted when they've got a good spirit about them - idiotic acts like the 'bus incident' and constant abuse of individual players when we're in the play-offs won't help generate any kind of positive atmosphere in and around the squad. I agree but the negativity needs addressing as i said. The anger is at the plight of the club wrongly directed at the players. The club needs to do more to get people on board. Very true, it's just a shame that DC and the players (who have done a decent job this season if you ask me - given the circumstances) are being targeted.
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 13, 2014 19:30:15 GMT
I would have thought it's pretty obvious why a significant number of fans are expressing their frustration. We were in League 1 not so long ago. Now we're not even in the Football League. As a result, we're effectively paying the same amount to see a grossly inferior product. (1) At this level, we're OK, but we're not exactly walking all over the opposition or playing attractive football. Are we supposed to be deliriously happy that we managed a draw this week against a team of part timers , and couldn't even score a goal? It's unlikely (but still possible, I accept) that we will win the league. IF we get to the play-offs we have a 25% chance of promotion. We have a manager who took us out of the League and has achieved nothing at this level. Who can be surprised that some fans wanted him out after one week of the season? Since then, he's done nothing to convince me that he will take us back up.(2) And why is he bringing up now something that happened 3 months ago? People who try and invade team buses deserve what's coming to them, but I don't think the fans can be blamed for feeling angry and frustrated. Frankly, we deserve better than this.(3) (1) I hate it when this sort of spurious "market forces" argument is used. Would you really be happy to pay £9 instead of £18 to see a Rovers team that's half as good? No? Me neither. No-one would. Supporting a football team is not like buying a loaf of bread. (2) Apart from take us into the playoff places. Or is that not relevant to promotion? (3) Who deserves better? You've decided not to come because you don't think it's worth the price of admission. Fair enough, but what does that entitle you to?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 19:53:44 GMT
I'm not quite sure how people saying the "man-up" argument rationale it?
Surely Clarke is "manning-up" by actually speaking up against it? He's defending his players, who may I add, haven't "moaned" and have done nothing but work hard for this football club. Wouldn't it be easier to say nothing?
I'm not going to pretend I've never given one of our players stick. Probably have done plenty in the last few years. But i'll keep any stick to players who don't give 100% to this football club. Matty Taylor is the player probably getting the most stick this season, unfortunately he doesn't score enough goals, but can you mention one game he hasn't worked his balls off for this club? I won't personally slate him for that. I think to a man they all give everything, every game. I can't remember having a squad working so hard. Yeah, they aren't the best players in the world, but we aren't the best club in the world and are at this level, for want of a more suitable word, on merit (or dis-merit)
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Post by hanham on Nov 13, 2014 19:57:07 GMT
A small minority of fans behaviour is absolutely shocking but I feel Clarke has upset a lot of true gas heads today by apparently seeming to class all Rovers fans in the same vein. I have seen a lot of positivity this season,mainly from the stands, from the people who pay weekend week out to watch the team.
Darrell needs to be very careful he does not turn die hard Gasheads against him who do not behave badly but support the team week in week out.
What about the amazing supporters who clap you onto the pitch every week Darrell and then clap you and your team off? should have mentioned that. I feel today's comments have achieved nothing, we all know there are idiots out there, fortunately they are in the minority.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 19:59:40 GMT
"I'm not going to pretend I've never given one of our players stick. Probably have done plenty in the last few years. But i'll keep any stick to players who don't give 100% to this football club."
Sorry , but that condones it. We can't all have the same opinion, so you're saying IF YOU DON'T THINK A PLAYER IS GIVING 100% he deserves stick. Well, everyone has their right to judge. If their opinion is the player isn't giving 100% then in your opinion that's fair enough to give 'em sick.
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Post by Raj Gas on Nov 13, 2014 20:07:25 GMT
I do understand what Darrell is saying but what concerns me is that it's not a good advert at all for attracting a new striker!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 20:13:27 GMT
"I'm not going to pretend I've never given one of our players stick. Probably have done plenty in the last few years. But i'll keep any stick to players who don't give 100% to this football club."
Sorry , but that condones it. We can't all have the same opinion, so you're saying IF YOU DON'T THINK A PLAYER IS GIVING 100% he deserves stick. Well, everyone has their right to judge. If their opinion is the player isn't giving 100% then in your opinion that's fair enough to give 'em sick. Firstly, I'm not sure anyone can say our players this year haven't been giving 100%? Secondly, where did I say a player DESERVES stick if they don't put in 100%. My point was that I will not give stick to a player if they are working hard for this football club. There have been players here in the last five years who (although not solely to blame, the main problems of this club lay higher up) have been happy to pick up a giant paycheck and not work hard, they have been more talented than the current crop and they have contributed to two quick succession relegations. I'm not condoning the abuse of our players, but I have always said that I would always support a group of players who, regardless of ability, played for the shirt. I have been happier watching Rovers this year, in the conference, under DC, than I have been under the teams prior. They might not have a player of, say, O'Toole's technical ability playing for them, but to a man they all fight for Bristol Rovers. I can't understand anyone can abuse them for that, which is the point I was making.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 20:30:26 GMT
Support
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1. to bear or hold up or to serve as a foundation for. 2. to sustain or withstand (weight, pressure, strain, etc.) without giving way; serve as a prop for. 3. to undergo or endure, especially with patience or submission; tolerate. 4. to sustain (a person, the mind, spirits, courage, etc.) under trial or affliction. 5. to maintain (a person, family, establishment, institution, etc.) by supplying with things necessary to existence. 6. to uphold (a person, cause, policy, etc.) by aid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 20:32:14 GMT
Fan.
Origin fanatic
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1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 20:32:31 GMT
Just saying......
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Post by gaseous on Nov 13, 2014 20:48:36 GMT
Fan. Origin fanatic noun 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal Good addition to this very interesting debate, perhaps some fans should take note of the above description and GET BEHIND THE TEAM
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 13, 2014 20:54:56 GMT
What a lot of posters on here are overlooking is that whilst we are 4th the football we are turning out what is some of the worst football we've had to suffer since PT's relegation season.
Whilst we won at Telford I came away wondering why I bothered going, if fans are going to get so frustrated by the way we are playing they attempt to board that the coach, or punch opposition players, they should simply stop going to away games before they do something they really regret.
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Post by wreckless on Nov 13, 2014 20:57:13 GMT
I would have thought it's pretty obvious why a significant number of fans are expressing their frustration. We were in League 1 not so long ago. Now we're not even in the Football League. As a result, we're effectively paying the same amount to see a grossly inferior product. (1) At this level, we're OK, but we're not exactly walking all over the opposition or playing attractive football. Are we supposed to be deliriously happy that we managed a draw this week against a team of part timers , and couldn't even score a goal? It's unlikely (but still possible, I accept) that we will win the league. IF we get to the play-offs we have a 25% chance of promotion. We have a manager who took us out of the League and has achieved nothing at this level. Who can be surprised that some fans wanted him out after one week of the season? Since then, he's done nothing to convince me that he will take us back up.(2) And why is he bringing up now something that happened 3 months ago? People who try and invade team buses deserve what's coming to them, but I don't think the fans can be blamed for feeling angry and frustrated. Frankly, we deserve better than this.(3) (1) I hate it when this sort of spurious "market forces" argument is used. Would you really be happy to pay £9 instead of £18 to see a Rovers team that's half as good? No? Me neither. No-one would. Supporting a football team is not like buying a loaf of bread. (2) Apart from take us into the playoff places. Or is that not relevant to promotion? (3) Who deserves better? You've decided not to come because you don't think it's worth the price of admission. Fair enough, but what does that entitle you to?
(1) No - what I am unhappy about is paying £18 to see a Rovers team that's already only half as good playing against other teams that are not very good, with players who aren't up to it at Football League level. I do believe in Value for Money. Everyone draws the line somewhere. The BoD charges the same as in previous years because it can get away with it. Because it's not like buying a loaf of bread, most supporters let them get away with it - and I totally respect that. If they charged 10x as much you probably wouldn't go either - so market forces do apply.
(2) The "play-offs" seem to be the height of our ambition (and from where we are it's a good ambition to have). If we get there, we will have a 25% chance of going up. We've been unconvincing in the (admittedly Away) games that I've seen this season. So - no I'm not convinced.
(3) I've decided not to come to Home matches because:-
On top of the £18, it's 100 miles each way to see football whose quality is even poorer than last year. I'm fed up with whole football experience at the Mem. I'm fed up with the BoD treating the supporters as if we're idiots. I think we deserve better. I'm fed up with a couple of issues which I have raised with the club and haven't even had the courtesy of a reply. I think I deserve better.
As a supporter for 43 years, I think I'm entitled to an opinion at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:03:10 GMT
What a lot of posters on here are overlooking is that whilst we are 4th the football we are turning out what is some of the worst football we've had to suffer since PT's relegation season. Whilst we won at Telford I came away wondering why I bothered going, if fans are going to get so frustrated by the way we are playing they attempt to board that the coach, or punch opposition players, they should simply stop going to away games before they do something they really regret. I'd take a season of mind numbing crap football if we got promoted this season and the players keep the same effort they have, I truly honestly would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:09:41 GMT
Having an opinion does not entitle you to abuse anyone nor should it entitle you to use it to destroy something that means so much to other people.
Its black and white. What's happening now is having a negative effect on the manager and team.
If that's what you want then carry on hiding behind some warped sense of entitlement and ruin it for yourself and others.
Cheers for that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:14:09 GMT
What a lot of posters on here are overlooking is that whilst we are 4th the football we are turning out what is some of the worst football we've had to suffer since PT's relegation season. Whilst we won at Telford I came away wondering why I bothered going, if fans are going to get so frustrated by the way we are playing they attempt to board that the coach, or punch opposition players, they should simply stop going to away games before they do something they really regret. I'd take a season of mind numbing crap football if we got promoted this season and the players keep the same effort they have, I truly honestly would. Me to and so would many others if he hadnt of spouted all that crap pre season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:15:14 GMT
A small minority of fans behaviour is absolutely shocking but I feel Clarke has upset a lot of true gas heads today by apparently seeming to class all Rovers fans in the same vein. I have seen a lot of positivity this season,mainly from the stands, from the people who pay weekend week out to watch the team. Darrell needs to be very careful he does not turn die hard Gasheads against him who do not behave badly but support the team week in week out. What about the amazing supporters who clap you onto the pitch every week Darrell and then clap you and your team off? should have mentioned that. I feel today's comments have achieved nothing, we all know there are idiots out there, fortunately they are in the minority. Let's face it, most old die-hard gas still think it's 2008 and we're pushing the championship. A lot of people, from my impressions of chatting to oldsters on the terraces, is that they will never truly accept anyone associated with Rovers while we're in this league. That may seem a harsh assessment but recall how many were against DC right from the word go because he'd only managed non-league before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:19:53 GMT
I'd take a season of mind numbing crap football if we got promoted this season and the players keep the same effort they have, I truly honestly would. Me to and so would many others if he hadnt of spouted all that crap pre season. DC's perfect press conference in Dins' world: "We've played arse all pre-season and this year will be a difficult, humiliating and unattractive struggle. I will not be attempting to introduce any kind of strategy or philosophy during my tenure so that if it goes wrong or takes a while to start working for whatever reason I won't be hounded for my aspiration. We hope you will all renue your season tickets. Thank you."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:19:58 GMT
"I'm not going to pretend I've never given one of our players stick. Probably have done plenty in the last few years. But i'll keep any stick to players who don't give 100% to this football club."
Sorry , but that condones it. We can't all have the same opinion, so you're saying IF YOU DON'T THINK A PLAYER IS GIVING 100% he deserves stick. Well, everyone has their right to judge. If their opinion is the player isn't giving 100% then in your opinion that's fair enough to give 'em sick. Firstly, I'm not sure anyone can say our players this year haven't been giving 100%? Secondly, where did I say a player DESERVES stick if they don't put in 100%. My point was that I will not give stick to a player if they are working hard for this football club. There have been players here in the last five years who (although not solely to blame, the main problems of this club lay higher up) have been happy to pick up a giant paycheck and not work hard, they have been more talented than the current crop and they have contributed to two quick succession relegations. I'm not condoning the abuse of our players, but I have always said that I would always support a group of players who, regardless of ability, played for the shirt. I have been happier watching Rovers this year, in the conference, under DC, than I have been under the teams prior. They might not have a player of, say, O'Toole's technical ability playing for them, but to a man they all fight for Bristol Rovers. I can't understand anyone can abuse them for that, which is the point I was making. Im just pointing out you said you'd given plenty (of stick) in the last few years. So it's ok for you to judge when it's appropriate, but not others. That's all i was saying.
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 13, 2014 21:21:41 GMT
I'm not saying there are 3000 moaners, far from it, but I'd rather we were drawing crowds of 3000 wildly enthusiastic and supportive fans than 5-6000 with the handful of in your face, over the top, abusive, threatening knobheads who are making fools of themselves too many times this season.
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