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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 12:51:19 GMT
Apart from ocassionally saying hello to JC and KM I hardly know them Try again Well enough to know the contents of an email to Jim Chappell within 24 hours after I sent it which only the recipient and 1 other person knew about but did not see the contents of. More lies. . Can we not do this in public again please.
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Post by gastower on Apr 15, 2020 12:55:04 GMT
Apart from ocassionally saying hello to JC and KM I hardly know them Try again Well enough to know the contents of an email to Jim Chappell within 24 hours after I sent it which only the recipient and 1 other person knew about but did not see the contents of. More lies. Wrong again 81 Typical diversionary tactic to go off subject which,may I remind you ,is financial mismanagement in the EFL
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 15, 2020 12:55:35 GMT
It would be interesting to see a league table of L1 club's debts, we're probably only mid-table/top 10 in that table as well! I don't really get the OP's continued attack on the owners, as I sense our only hope now of surviving the next few(?) months is from continued support from Wael, if the ALQ's do decide to pull the plug we may well not have a league club to support in the future. I seem to remember that only Coventry and Doncaster had similar or worse debts but I’m not posting that as fact but just something I read Pretty sure Bolton's new owners took out a £40m loan at the start of the season? As I said though if the ALQ's don't keep us a float I'd love to know who the SC/PC have got lined up to replace them.
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Post by amgas on Apr 15, 2020 13:47:03 GMT
Bottom line is our owners are damned if they spend money or damned if they don't.
The most recent meeting of chairman proposed changes to decrease wages and I know we supported this. I also saw the list of budgets in L1 and L2 we are not top of it and the variation is not huge across all the clubs. Based on those playing budgets, most clubs could be losing 3-4 Million a year, as most have playing budgets higher than that.
At least most of our debt is not owed to 3rd parties - it will take all the clubs to work together and the support of the EFL to sort this out.
Our local rivals have an owner throwing untold sums them, while that is allowed to happen why are we surprised that Wael has to live beyond his means to keep us at least in touching distance. Would we prefer us to be back in non-league and all of Bristol heading off to the dark side ?
Bottom line is the money we could have spent on a training ground and stadium has largely ended up in the pockets of players and agents, how do we avoid that ? I guess trying to create and sell our own talent is one way, but since Bosman it is arguable whether that makes sense. Rovers stayed afloat for years by selling talent, when the talent can walk for free unless you pay it huge wages how is that going to work ? I would argue the Bosman rule played a big part in football becoming unsustainable.
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Post by baggins on Apr 15, 2020 14:43:54 GMT
Congratulations on starting a thread which you knew damned well would start an argument. Have a word with yourself.
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Post by gassince1957 on Apr 15, 2020 14:51:24 GMT
Bottom line is our owners are damned if they spend money or damned if they don't. The most recent meeting of chairman proposed changes to decrease wages and I know we supported this. I also saw the list of budgets in L1 and L2 we are not top of it and the variation is not huge across all the clubs. Based on those playing budgets, most clubs could be losing 3-4 Million a year, as most have playing budgets higher than that. At least most of our debt is not owed to 3rd parties - it will take all the clubs to work together and the support of the EFL to sort this out. Our local rivals have an owner throwing untold sums them, while that is allowed to happen why are we surprised that Wael has to live beyond his means to keep us at least in touching distance. Would we prefer us to be back in non-league and all of Bristol heading off to the dark side ? Bottom line is the money we could have spent on a training ground and stadium has largely ended up in the pockets of players and agents, how do we avoid that ? I guess trying to create and sell our own talent is one way, but since Bosman it is arguable whether that makes sense. Rovers stayed afloat for years by selling talent, when the talent can walk for free unless you pay it huge wages how is that going to work ? I would argue the Bosman rule played a big part in football becoming unsustainable. Maybe once we leave the EU on 31st December we can ignore the Bosman ruling, since that's an EU rule. Then we can go back to the good old days when the clubs owned the players registrations and only the clubs could decide if/when a player was to be transferred or not have a contract renewed. (Next to nil chance of that of course!)
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Post by gastower on Apr 15, 2020 15:11:33 GMT
Congratulations on starting a thread which you knew damned well would start an argument. Have a word with yourself. You might read it that way but its topical to all EFL clubs not just ours. ( but point taken nonetheless))
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Post by SleepyGas on Apr 15, 2020 15:22:16 GMT
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Post by axegas on Apr 15, 2020 15:27:31 GMT
They couldn’t resist the opportunity to crow about the smear campaign they started, could they?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 15:44:08 GMT
Slowly suffocating themselves.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 15, 2020 15:51:53 GMT
Bottom line is our owners are damned if they spend money or damned if they don't. The most recent meeting of chairman proposed changes to decrease wages and I know we supported this. I also saw the list of budgets in L1 and L2 we are not top of it and the variation is not huge across all the clubs. Based on those playing budgets, most clubs could be losing 3-4 Million a year, as most have playing budgets higher than that. At least most of our debt is not owed to 3rd parties - it will take all the clubs to work together and the support of the EFL to sort this out. Our local rivals have an owner throwing untold sums them, while that is allowed to happen why are we surprised that Wael has to live beyond his means to keep us at least in touching distance. Would we prefer us to be back in non-league and all of Bristol heading off to the dark side ? Bottom line is the money we could have spent on a training ground and stadium has largely ended up in the pockets of players and agents, how do we avoid that ? I guess trying to create and sell our own talent is one way, but since Bosman it is arguable whether that makes sense. Rovers stayed afloat for years by selling talent, when the talent can walk for free unless you pay it huge wages how is that going to work ? I would argue the Bosman rule played a big part in football becoming unsustainable. Agreed, pretty certain the same group of "ITK" posters were claiming GC quit has he was told the wage budget was being being cut and 3 or 4 top earners were due to leave last January! Our owners are now being attacked for spending money, meanwhile Mike Ashley is being attacked for not spending money. I appreciate the argument will be that losses are being offset against the Mem value but the owners can't get any value out of that until they somehow sell it.
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Post by teanbiscuits on Apr 15, 2020 16:27:21 GMT
Slowly suffocating themselves. Sadly, irreparable damage has already been done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 16:31:41 GMT
Slowly suffocating themselves. Sadly, irreparable damage has already been done. With the club yes, but also now it’s members will start turning
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Post by baggins on Apr 15, 2020 16:35:19 GMT
Congratulations on starting a thread which you knew damned well would start an argument. Have a word with yourself. You might read it that way but its topical to all EFL clubs not just ours. ( but point taken nonetheless)) You'd have been better off tagging it to the bottom of the "£24 mil debt" thread.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 15, 2020 17:22:34 GMT
Well enough to know the contents of an email to Jim Chappell within 24 hours after I sent it which only the recipient and 1 other person knew about but did not see the contents of. More lies. Wrong again 81 Typical diversionary tactic to go off subject which,may I remind you ,is financial mismanagement in the EFL You can’t punctuate a sentence, so I don’t stand much hope of you understanding about company accounts or financial mismanagement. This mismanagement that was so bad the EFL literally told you stop being stupid and dismissed it and that it wouldn’t be getting involved.
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Post by gastower on Apr 15, 2020 18:57:41 GMT
Wrong again 81 Typical diversionary tactic to go off subject which,may I remind you ,is financial mismanagement in the EFL You can’t punctuate a sentence, so I don’t stand much hope of you understanding about company accounts or financial mismanagement. This mismanagement that was so bad the EFL literally told you stop being stupid and dismissed it and that it wouldn’t be getting involved. No one told me anything 81. whether you believe it or not I am not involved with complaint to the EFL As for your comments about me understanding company accounts or financial mismanagement I will be celebrating 40 years running my own business next year so I must be doing something right Calling out GI for snide comments calling you a car mechanic is no different to the comments made about me Anyway stay safe me duck
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 15, 2020 19:01:47 GMT
Behaving like a bunch of kids is doing nothing to help our club.
Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are an idiot than to open it and prove them right.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 15, 2020 19:17:47 GMT
Behaving like a bunch of kids is doing nothing to help our club. Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are an idiot than to open it and prove them right. Well said Hugo ! And at least the article in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung got Rovers' debt figure correct.
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 15, 2020 20:15:56 GMT
Behaving like a bunch of kids is doing nothing to help our club. Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are an idiot than to open it and prove them right. My kids are little sh1ts well the youngest certainly is, but he’s better behaved than some of these grown adults pedalling their biased agendas.
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Post by meader on Apr 15, 2020 21:14:22 GMT
Not everyone connected with this are not to to come out smelling of roses. But, when all this Coronavirus business is over, could the football club ask to buy the 8% share holding of the supporters club? Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the supporters club in its current quise?
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