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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2020 0:19:02 GMT
Ignore him. The 'teacher' can't even spell Ogogo's name right. Stopped teaching some 8 years ago. Have been a locksmith for the last 7. Making money from the general public and not the government That job that really opens up a lot of doors to you. Presumably you've been working all through lockdown as a key worker?
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 13, 2020 5:58:44 GMT
What a ridiculous post, creating a hypothetical situation to suit your negative agenda š Not really. It was obvious that the senior players at the club weren't playing for Garner last season until he let them play the "coughlin way against Sunderland" where of course they won. Look at that team, most have gone, or are going. No more arguements about how they want to play. This is the opposite to the players that forced Martin Dobson out Of the team that faced Sunderland that you say are "gone, or are going": Blackman:Was on loan from Chelsea Kilgour: Still at club Craig: Dropped down to League Two Harries: Still at club Rodman: Still at club Leahy: Still at club Hargreaves: Still at club Clarke: Dropped down to League Two Sercombe: Dropped down to League Two JCH: Still at club JML: Still at club My point being, of the players that you claim didn't want to play for Garner, three have had to drop down a league to get regular minutes. More telling of their quality than a speculatory falling out with our manager.
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 13, 2020 6:03:48 GMT
lpgas 1's reply will be interesting.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 13, 2020 8:00:41 GMT
Not really. It was obvious that the senior players at the club weren't playing for Garner last season until he let them play the "coughlin way against Sunderland" where of course they won. Look at that team, most have gone, or are going. No more arguements about how they want to play. This is the opposite to the players that forced Martin Dobson out Of the team that faced Sunderland that you say are "gone, or are going": Blackman:Was on loan from Chelsea Kilgour: Still at club Craig: Dropped down to League Two Harries: Still at club Rodman: Still at club Leahy: Still at club Hargreaves: Still at club Clarke: Dropped down to League Two Sercombe: Dropped down to League Two JCH: Still at club JML: Still at club My point being, of the players that you claim didn't want to play for Garner, three have had to drop down a league to get regular minutes. More telling of their quality than a speculatory falling out with our manager. I thought OC joined up with GC and Sercs turned down Gillingham to stay local (who can blame him!), Craig also suggested he had L1 offers. Craig was probably our Player of the Season so to say he didn't have the quality for L1 is nonsense. However, life moves on and it's up to this season's players and manager to prove they are up to L1.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 13, 2020 8:16:05 GMT
The likes of Clarke, Sercombe, Craig, Ogogo etc have nothing to prove at League One level. They've shown over the past 5 years they are League One standard players, now the argument is are they players that will seemingly kick us on. I think any of those players could have been retained and done more than a good enough job for us in this league. Now the manager has been backed, this is his team, there is no doubt about that. A lot of people are saying he starts the season with a clean slate. I honestly don't understand why we're writing off two wins in sixteen especially when we were unbeaten in ten when he took over. Personally I think he'll need around 15 points from his first ten games with a distinct improvement in the football. If not he could be in a lot of trouble. We are yet to see if his singings are up to this standard. Some of the seven in January were not.
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Post by eastgas on Aug 13, 2020 8:57:06 GMT
The likes of Clarke, Sercombe, Craig, Ogogo etc have nothing to prove at League One level. They've shown over the past 5 years they are League One standard players, now the argument is are they players that will seemingly kick us on. I think any of those players could have been retained and done more than a good enough job for us in this league. Now the manager has been backed, this is his team, there is no doubt about that. A lot of people are saying he starts the season with a clean slate. I honestly don't understand why we're writing off two wins in sixteen especially when we were unbeaten in ten when he took over. Personally I think he'll need around 15 points from his first ten games with a distinct improvement in the football. If not he could be in a lot of trouble. We are yet to see if his singings are up to this standard. Some of the seven in January were not. I think people are saying a clean slate due to the circumstances when he took over. That would of been tough for any new manager. I am one of those happy to forget and start again, all though like you say he will need results early. Iām not trying to argue with your jan signing comment but which of those players were not up to standard in your opinion? For me only Timmy Abraham didnāt look up to it but I donāt think he was a BG signing
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 13, 2020 9:03:17 GMT
Manager in his first close season recruits players to suit the way he wants to play. Not that unusual in football is it? I guess there were always bound to be some players leaving. Iām sorry some are leaving but so far not one of them has been able to / chosen to remain in League 1. Theyāve gone to League 2, perhaps they could have stayed with us and would have done ok but itās looks like weāre aiming to challenge at least. As ever with transfers, no guarantees. Time will tell. UTG!
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Post by horfield on Aug 13, 2020 9:09:31 GMT
If your a lousy poker player and think your luck will change by playing with a new set of cards your still a lousy poker player.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 13, 2020 9:09:36 GMT
The likes of Clarke, Sercombe, Craig, Ogogo etc have nothing to prove at League One level. They've shown over the past 5 years they are League One standard players, now the argument is are they players that will seemingly kick us on. I think any of those players could have been retained and done more than a good enough job for us in this league. Now the manager has been backed, this is his team, there is no doubt about that. A lot of people are saying he starts the season with a clean slate. I honestly don't understand why we're writing off two wins in sixteen especially when we were unbeaten in ten when he took over. Personally I think he'll need around 15 points from his first ten games with a distinct improvement in the football. If not he could be in a lot of trouble. We are yet to see if his singings are up to this standard. Some of the seven in January were not. I think people are saying a clean slate due to the circumstances when he took over. That would of been tough for any new manager. I am one of those happy to forget and start again, all though like you say he will need results early. Iām not trying to argue with your jan signing comment but which of those players were not up to standard in your opinion? For me only Timmy Abraham didnāt look up to it but I donāt think he was a BG signing The circumstances thing is baffling. He took over a team unbeaten in ten and fourth in the league. As for the January signings in order of when they were signed; Jayden Mitchell-Lawson - Loan I think JML did ok but hardly set the world alight. Obviously we've signed him again and I hope he does well, I do hope we're paying very little for him though as we're just developing another clubs player otherwise. Josh Barrett - Permanent Unfit and overweight, did nothing really to show that he's any improvement on the midfielders that were already at the club. Needs a big season and is potentially starting it later than everyone else. Josh Ginnelly - Loan Similar to JML, didn't do badly but wasn't anything to write home about. # Jamal Blackman - Loan Was absolutely ok. Didn't win us matches, didn't lose us matches. Didn't really see the point when we had two young goalkeepers at the club in JVS and Andre, surely if neither were to be trusted to deputise let them go. Seemed like the perfect time to give JVS a run of games. Timmy Abraham - Loan Didn't think he was as bad as people say but didn't really do anything of note, ran about lots, worked hard when he played but essentially a pointless signing. James Daly - Permanent A lot has been said about his potential, what he might do. Looked ok in the little we saw of him, seems to be forgotten by a lot of people now since the arrival of Ayunga. A big season for him ahead. Cian Harries - Permanent Again a lot has been made about his potential (older than Rollin and with far less senior games). We saw little of him last season and again looked ok. Think he could well end up playing second fiddle to a trio of Killer, Ehmer and Baldwin. All those players were involved in the biggest slide in places this year by and EFL side.
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Post by eastgas on Aug 13, 2020 9:42:54 GMT
I think people are saying a clean slate due to the circumstances when he took over. That would of been tough for any new manager. I am one of those happy to forget and start again, all though like you say he will need results early. Iām not trying to argue with your jan signing comment but which of those players were not up to standard in your opinion? For me only Timmy Abraham didnāt look up to it but I donāt think he was a BG signing The circumstances thing is baffling. He took over a team unbeaten in ten and fourth in the league. As for the January signings in order of when they were signed; Jayden Mitchell-Lawson - LoanĀ I think JML did ok but hardly set the world alight. Obviously we've signed him again and I hope he does well, I do hope we're paying very little for him though as we're just developing another clubs player otherwise. Josh Barrett - Permanent Unfit and overweight, did nothing really to show that he's any improvement on the midfielders that were already at the club. Needs a big season and is potentially starting it later than everyone else. Josh Ginnelly - Loan Similar to JML, didn't do badly but wasn't anything to write home about. # Jamal Blackman - Loan Was absolutely ok. Didn't win us matches, didn't lose us matches. Didn't really see the point when we had two young goalkeepers at the club in JVS and Andre, surely if neither were to be trusted to deputise let them go. Seemed like the perfect time to give JVS a run of games. Timmy Abraham - Loan Didn't think he was as bad as people say but didn't really do anything of note, ran about lots, worked hard when he played but essentially a pointless signing. James Daly - Permanent A lot has been said about his potential, what he might do. Looked ok in the little we saw of him, seems to be forgotten by a lot of people now since the arrival of Ayunga. A big season for him ahead. Cian Harries - Permanent Again a lot has been made about his potential (older than Rollin and with far less senior games). We saw little of him last season and again looked ok. Think he could well end up playing second fiddle to a trio of Killer, Ehmer and Baldwin. All those players were involved in the biggest slide in places this year by and EFL side. A fair assessment of the players, I hope some of them really kick on this season. By circumstances I mean the situation. Nearly all us fans were completely knocked sideways when GC came out with his Ipswich post match interview. Many of us were in disbelief and the players must of felt exactly the same, going from the euphoria of beating Ipswich and moving within touching distance of the top 2. The players feeling it maybe even more so. BG was then appointed whilst going through an extremely difficult time in his personal life. It was a mistake in my opinion to change the way we played and set up but also understand that it must be difficult to send a team out trying to replicate the previous manager when itās not in line with your own ideology. I think the players are equally at fault for our slide down the table, maybe for some of the reasons I stated above but that is no excuse going from performing out of their skins for one manager, to then playing like a team that had never seen each other in their lives for the next. Injuries also didnāt help nor did the packed fixture schedule we were going through at that time. For me he was always in a lose lose situation. He now has been backed to start putting together his own team with his own ideas and has had plenty of time on the training pitch, so now has no excuses. Iām not expecting miracles from the off as putting a squad together takes time and more than one transfer window, but there has to be signs of improvement in the results and style we seen toward the end of last season.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 13, 2020 9:45:27 GMT
This thread absolutely shows the fickle attitude of football fans.
Under GC, most fans:
Football is awful to watch, spends most of the time in the air, so defensive, we never attack. Crowds dwindle and dwindle. āIām not going until we start playing proper footballā despite being top 4.
Under BG most fans:
Why did we change from Coughlan ball? No ambition to go up as a club. So BG signs players more suited to Garnerball and improves the squad of outgoing players and wants to play football on the floor with passing.
Some fans: why are we getting rid of the players that took us to 4th in the league under GC? Why did we change the philosophy?
Literally no win with some people.
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Post by yaz on Aug 13, 2020 10:15:16 GMT
If your a lousy poker player and think your luck will change by playing with a new set of cards your still a lousy poker player. Time to change the Dealer? Under The Gun? UTG
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 13, 2020 10:15:47 GMT
This thread absolutely shows the fickle attitude of football fans. Under GC, most fans: Football is awful to watch, spends most of the time in the air, so defensive, we never attack. Crowds dwindle and dwindle. āIām not going until we start playing proper footballā despite being top 4. Under BG most fans: Why did we change from Coughlan ball? No ambition to go up as a club. So BG signs players more suited to Garnerball and improves the squad of outgoing players and wants to play football on the floor with passing. Some fans: why are we getting rid of the players that took us to 4th in the league under GC? Why did we change the philosophy? Literally no win with some people. I don't think I'm being fickle. I didn't think the football was great under Coughlan but it was productive, the difference from where we were to where he left us was stark. I've also said it before but what points to Garnerball being better football? We only had over 50% possession in 5/16 games since he took over. I don't think we currently have a clue the way he plays, only that he tried to change things and it went horribly wrong.
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Post by albaron on Aug 13, 2020 10:16:22 GMT
The likes of Clarke, Sercombe, Craig, Ogogo etc have nothing to prove at League One level. They've shown over the past 5 years they are League One standard players, now the argument is are they players that will seemingly kick us on. I think any of those players could have been retained and done more than a good enough job for us in this league. Now the manager has been backed, this is his team, there is no doubt about that. A lot of people are saying he starts the season with a clean slate. I honestly don't understand why we're writing off two wins in sixteen especially when we were unbeaten in ten when he took over. Personally I think he'll need around 15 points from his first ten games with a distinct improvement in the football. If not he could be in a lot of trouble. We are yet to see if his singings are up to this standard. Some of the seven in January were not. I think people are saying a clean slate due to the circumstances when he took over. That would of been tough for any new manager. I am one of those happy to forget and start again, all though like you say he will need results early. Iām not trying to argue with your jan signing comment but which of those players were not up to standard in your opinion? For me only Timmy Abraham didnāt look up to it but I donāt think he was a BG signing With regards to these players being Third Div standard -- Can i ask you how many actually ended up in this division ?
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Post by yaz on Aug 13, 2020 10:37:17 GMT
This thread absolutely shows the fickle attitude of football fans. Under GC, most fans: Football is awful to watch, spends most of the time in the air, so defensive, we never attack. Crowds dwindle and dwindle. āIām not going until we start playing proper footballā despite being top 4. Under BG most fans: Why did we change from Coughlan ball? No ambition to go up as a club. So BG signs players more suited to Garnerball and improves the squad of outgoing players and wants to play football on the floor with passing. Some fans: why are we getting rid of the players that took us to 4th in the league under GC? Why did we change the philosophy? Literally no win with some people. I don't think I'm being fickle. I didn't think the football was great under Coughlan but it was productive, the difference from where we were to where he left us was stark. I've also said it before but what points to Garnerball being better football? We only had over 50% possession in 5/16 games since he took over. I don't think we currently have a clue the way he plays, only that he tried to change things and it went horribly wrong. Wycombe got promoted; what type of football do they play generally apart from the cheating aspect? Different leagues sometimes need different approaches in order to succeed? It is difficult to go up from L1, etc. as the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth, etc. are finding out more and more. If it is not broke / working, don't fix it! Even under BG style, there will be games where we will be forced to defend or hoof the ball or whatever. That is why some fans are saying we may miss Ogogo. We were unfortunate in the timing of GC leaving; I do not think anyone would have complained about the football if he had stayed because we were playing good teams and beating them. Most of our football may not have been great but more fans were beginning to go especially away. That day at Ipswich; the whole game and the atmosphere with the fans, the cheering at the end, etc. was one of the best away days for a long time. We never looked like losing the game from kick off!! [It doesn't beat the Daggers win at home]. And to be riding so high and then to come crashing so low; no matter what Manager one has, that should never have happened? The best judge of this team, and therefore the manager, will once again be when things are not going well. Hopefully, this won't happen too much and wil be outweighed by all the wonderful wins. UTG
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Post by yaz on Aug 13, 2020 10:48:31 GMT
When one looks at how the Championship season ended and how the top clubs, bar Leeds, failed to win their last few games. If you asked any of their fans, they would have said that a win was far more important than beautiful football. WBA just made it over the line but played terrible football (apart from Pereira)? They were helped by Brentford losing some unbelievable games. Each game is usually approached differently, depending on the opposition, home or away, etc. etc. and it is the manager's job to come up with the right tactics for each game. Teams like Wolves and Leicester and Sheffield United and Burnley are doing well because they have different approaches to some games and teams. One also needs to see how the manager uses the bench to change / reinforce a game.
It will be interesting to see how BG and his team cope with any adversity as the season gets going; if fans are allowed at games, I think this will be a big bonus for BG as the faithful support will help the players especially away?
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Post by theduke on Aug 13, 2020 11:29:57 GMT
He won't be at the club after the transfer deadline. Mark my words.Ā You have been spinning the same negative rhetoric since you joined the forum. Youāre like another gastower. You must be hating the fact we have improved upon every player we have let go. Wind your neck in pal. Actually Iām delighted that Rovers appear to be progressing at long last. It was long overdue. Sadly it took a change of family circumstances for that to happen, but credit to Wael for stepping up. As for JCH, thatās a different situation to the other seniors who were told they were free to look elsewhere. Who says we donāt want him? But he has 12 months left on his deal and wants to play higher and earn better money. Do you think the club should just let him sit it out for a year and leave for nothing or pay Kyle Bennett x 2 wages for an injury prone player? Obviously I hope that he stays because heās our best player, but that doesnāt mean he should be allowed to run his contract down. Of course his agent should be allowed to put feelers out on his behalf and see if thereās a deal out there that makes sense for him and us.
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Post by bstokegas on Aug 13, 2020 11:46:47 GMT
What club wants to use a good proportion of their salary cap on Kyle Bennett???
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 13, 2020 11:52:02 GMT
I do feel JCH would've signed an extension if Coughlan remained in charge, so if he doesn't fancy doing it under Garner, we need to cash in on him ASAP to give Widdrington time to replace him.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 13, 2020 12:17:24 GMT
Sorry to see Ogogo leave, think he deserves better and has shown the commitment to earn a chance under Ben, shame.
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