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Post by lpgas1 on Aug 27, 2020 14:19:41 GMT
Nichols and Payne scored goals at this level, just saying. It's not a guarantee either way, and I'd be happy if we picked up someone who's performed well at L2 or the Conference, who has the genuine ability to make the step up. The idea that Tom Nichols has ever been a decent League One goal scorer is gaschat fact myth as brought to you by Toppernomics. When he joined us he had scored 12 in 58 League One appearances. Just under a goal every 5 games - big whoop. Of those 12, ten were scored at Posh the season before we bought him from 43 appearances. Again, a goal every 4 and a bit games. Wow! What a goal machine. In his entire career to date Tom Nichols has scored 16 League One goals from 151 appearances across 7 seasons. A goal every 9 and a half games. Tom Nichols didn't struggle to score goals with us because of the system or lack of confidence or anything like that. Tom Nichols struggled to score goals with us because Tom Nichols isn't good enough to play at League One level. The idea that he gets lumped in with Stefan Payne who scored 15 League One goals from 53 appearances in the last three seasons is a joke. Picking up someone from a lower league is hit and miss really but Nichols was certainly not a striker. I doubt if he will get a club to be honest, maybe Yeovil, but even Cheltenham didn't want him
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Post by wertongas on Aug 27, 2020 14:31:21 GMT
Well it was all about money with JCH he certainly isn't a club man, so i hope he is as successful at Peterborough as Nichols and James were for us.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 27, 2020 15:21:19 GMT
Like the manager's statement saying Johnson making a step up lol. What is he suggesting? When you read the whole sentence it’s clear Ferguson doesn’t rate us as a threat in the division and shows us much disrespect: “Jonson can do that and more. He has matured as a player. I managed him when he was a kid, he has developed and has done well at this level and he is ready for this step-up to a team that is trying to get into the Championship.” So we are not trying to get promoted and are a team that Peterborough consider beneath them in the soccer pyramid. We have listened to all the incoming players be excited by the managers words about the direction the club is going in, and the progress being made. What are we telling them? “Sign for us and help us achieve not trying to get into the championship but contribute to our aim of stagnation and maintainenance of our rightful place beneath Peterborough”. Always useful to see ourselves as others see us and clearly Ferguson sees us as an insignificant outfit going nowhere. Perhaps a few of us unambitious also rans can upset Arrogantborough United this season.
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Post by bluegas on Aug 27, 2020 15:34:47 GMT
I wouldn't worry Wembley, he's got to talk crap to justify his position. I'll enjoy being behind the away dugout when he visits - if he's still their manager then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 15:39:04 GMT
I think we need 2 strikers to replace him. Nice idea but I’m sure the referees would eventually notice we are playing with 12 players.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 27, 2020 15:40:05 GMT
Like the manager's statement saying Johnson making a step up lol. What is he suggesting? When you read the whole sentence it’s clear Ferguson doesn’t rate us as a threat in the division and shows us much disrespect: “Jonson can do that and more. He has matured as a player. I managed him when he was a kid, he has developed and has done well at this level and he is ready for this step-up to a team that is trying to get into the Championship.” So we are not trying to get promoted and are a team that Peterborough consider beneath them in the soccer pyramid. We have listened to all the incoming players be excited by the managers words about the direction the club is going in, and the progress being made. What are we telling them? “Sign for us and help us achieve not trying to get into the championship but contribute to our aim of stagnation and maintainenance of our rightful place beneath Peterborough”. Always useful to see ourselves as others see us and clearly Ferguson sees us as an insignificant outfit going nowhere. Perhaps a few of us unambitious also rans can upset Arrogantborough United this season. To be fair he's not wrong is he? This lack of progress has seen us be also rans for nearly 30 years. While Peterborough have had 5 separate spells in the 2nd tier since we were last there. Pretty embarrassing really.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 27, 2020 15:49:14 GMT
Good business, in my opinion. 1 year left on his contract and in the middle of this Pandemic it is a good fee if the reports are accurate.I’m also quite hopeful we’ll be looking to adequately replace him, unlike in previous instances of losing our star strikers.
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Post by phillistine on Aug 27, 2020 16:01:48 GMT
When you read the whole sentence it’s clear Ferguson doesn’t rate us as a threat in the division and shows us much disrespect: “Jonson can do that and more. He has matured as a player. I managed him when he was a kid, he has developed and has done well at this level and he is ready for this step-up to a team that is trying to get into the Championship.” So we are not trying to get promoted and are a team that Peterborough consider beneath them in the soccer pyramid. We have listened to all the incoming players be excited by the managers words about the direction the club is going in, and the progress being made. What are we telling them? “Sign for us and help us achieve not trying to get into the championship but contribute to our aim of stagnation and maintainenance of our rightful place beneath Peterborough”. Always useful to see ourselves as others see us and clearly Ferguson sees us as an insignificant outfit going nowhere. Perhaps a few of us unambitious also rans can upset Arrogantborough United this season. To be fair he's not wrong is he? This lack of progress has seen us be also rans for nearly 30 years. While Peterborough have had 5 separate spells in the 2nd tier since we were last there. Pretty embarrassing really. Remind me - how much higher than us are they at the start of the season? If history was that relevant then i suspect that most teams in our league have played at a higher level than us in the past but we are dealing with the here and now.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 27, 2020 16:15:30 GMT
To be fair he's not wrong is he? This lack of progress has seen us be also rans for nearly 30 years. While Peterborough have had 5 separate spells in the 2nd tier since we were last there. Pretty embarrassing really. Remind me - how much higher than us are they at the start of the season? If history was that relevant then i suspect that most teams in our league have played at a higher level than us in the past but we are dealing with the here and now. Well that's pretty much my point. We show no signs of wanting to get back to that level. Since we we were last there, apart from 1994 when we should of beaten Huddersfield, we have chucked away 3-1 1st leg leads, gone from 2nd in April to 7th in May, we've dropped to the 4th tier twice, even dropping to The Conference, we consistently sell our best players to rivals and always end up with players basically holding us to ransom and we never re-invest to the same level. Peterborough are the complete opposite. All i'm saying is that Ferguson Jnr, has a point and he isn't really wrong with his statement.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2020 16:31:53 GMT
Remind me - how much higher than us are they at the start of the season? If history was that relevant then i suspect that most teams in our league have played at a higher level than us in the past but we are dealing with the here and now. Well that's pretty much my point. We show no signs of wanting to get back to that level. Since we we were last there, apart from 1994 when we should of beaten Huddersfield, we have chucked away 3-1 1st leg leads, gone from 2nd in April to 7th in May, we've dropped to the 4th tier twice, even dropping to The Conference, we consistently sell our best players to rivals and always end up with players basically holding us to ransom and we never re-invest to the same level. Peterborough are the complete opposite. All i'm saying is that Ferguson Jnr, has a point and he isn't really wrong with his statement. They talk a good game but with Toney & Maddison in their squad they still didn't even manage to make the play offs, although what I don't understand is why the Mem apparently holds us back but Wycombe, Oxford and P'boro seem to have no issues with their grounds and they'd all probably get smaller crowds than us if they were in the Championship. Another point is how does the new £2.5m playing budget work, as I thought it now included transfer fees, assuming JCH is on £150K/£200K a season then how can they pay a £1.2m transfer fee, even it's split over 2 seasons and was only £1m then that's still the best part of £750K gone on just one player, or am I missing something?
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Post by Marshy on Aug 27, 2020 16:34:32 GMT
Well that's pretty much my point. We show no signs of wanting to get back to that level. Since we we were last there, apart from 1994 when we should of beaten Huddersfield, we have chucked away 3-1 1st leg leads, gone from 2nd in April to 7th in May, we've dropped to the 4th tier twice, even dropping to The Conference, we consistently sell our best players to rivals and always end up with players basically holding us to ransom and we never re-invest to the same level. Peterborough are the complete opposite. All i'm saying is that Ferguson Jnr, has a point and he isn't really wrong with his statement. They talk a good game but with Toney & Maddison in their squad they still didn't even manage to make the play offs, although what I don't understand is why the Mem apparently holds us back but Wycombe, Oxford and P'boro seem to have no issues with their grounds and they'd all probably get smaller crowds than us if they were in the Championship. Another point is how does the new £2.5m playing budget work, as I thought it now included transfer fees, assuming JCH is on £150K/£200K a season then how can they pay a £1.2m transfer fee, even it's split over 2 seasons and was only £1m then that's still the best part of £750K gone on just one player, or am I missing something? Yes indeed you are, but I don’t know what it is? 😁
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Post by yaz on Aug 27, 2020 16:55:19 GMT
"It's part of the Club's business strategy to maximise and retain the value of its playing squad. This will occasionally require us to sell players that are going into the final year of their contract. This should also be regarded as an opportunity for other players to come into the team to develop their own careers and help us take the Club forward. How does the club move forward when you sell your best players? What would you have done if you had a player who wants to move, double his wage and who’s out of contract next summer. What would you have done differently from the club ?? We are not Real Madrid 🤨 Do a Barca with Messi?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2020 17:18:34 GMT
They talk a good game but with Toney & Maddison in their squad they still didn't even manage to make the play offs, although what I don't understand is why the Mem apparently holds us back but Wycombe, Oxford and P'boro seem to have no issues with their grounds and they'd all probably get smaller crowds than us if they were in the Championship. Another point is how does the new £2.5m playing budget work, as I thought it now included transfer fees, assuming JCH is on £150K/£200K a season then how can they pay a £1.2m transfer fee, even it's split over 2 seasons and was only £1m then that's still the best part of £750K gone on just one player, or am I missing something? Yes indeed you are, but I don’t know what it is? 😁 Apparently it includes everything but transfer fees! Still odd they can sign Broom and JCH on decent contracts but still stay within the new budget.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 27, 2020 17:22:09 GMT
The situation neatly summed-up. As long as we continue to sell our better players we will remain a League One selling club. Personally I would prefer we were a solid Championship club. Ferguson has answered that one for you - we are not trying to get promoted to the championship but Peterborough are.
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Post by yaz on Aug 27, 2020 17:27:07 GMT
It was clear that JCH really didn't want to stay at this club otherwise he would have signed a new contract by now, i am sad that he has left but he didn't cost us anything so i suppose it was a good bit of business and there is no point in keeping a player at the club that is looking to leave. People are saying he was our star player but i disagree with that , Alfie kilgour is a far more talented player, who has been scouted by Premier league clubs, no way would JCH have interested a Premier club and unlike JCH Alfie has signed a new contract with us rather being motivated just by money like JCH, kilgour has some loyalty. We don't now have a striker with league experience so we will need to get at least one experienced striker with decent goal scoring ability in. I am not sure it was that clear; towards the end of last season before lockdown, the team were dismal and not much chance of making the playoffs. If you are carrying an injury, why would you risk making it worse. As regards us not having a striker, that is now blatantly obvious with JCH gone. When you look at all the previous strikers over the last few seasons since Ellis left, no one stands out at all? We have had so many as well; Nichols, Jakubiak, Payne, Tyler Smith, Abrahams, Reilly, Telford, Gaffney, Broom (winger / middle more), Sheffield loaned Adebayego?, JML, etc. JML probably the only one I would still have although Telford / Broom never got a chance with us. As regards JCH, if his injury holds out and he can play 30 or more games for up to 66 minutes, he will do well. I personally believe he can do better than some of the Premier League strikers like Joelinton £40+M, Villa strikers, WBA strikers, Everton, etc. I would not not be surprised that if Posh do not go up and he has done same as he did with us that a Championship club may pick him up. Also, clubs like Newcastle, Everton, Villa, Leeds, etc. could do with a big, rangy striker compared to their current options? I know that they have big strikers but these haven't performed? What are the odds that he plays more games after being transferred than any of Taylor, Bodin or Ellis did after being transferred? Quite high I think. Let's see how much we miss him; hopefully Ayunga, JML et al can pick up the front end. From the little we saw of JML, he seemed to play very well together with JCH? PS I don't think anyone can fault JCH work rate and effort so to say he was not interested in us seems strange. People are not the same; some players may need to be handled differently? PPS I think £1.25M was not enough for him by a long stretch. UTG
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Aug 27, 2020 18:01:35 GMT
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Post by peel on Aug 27, 2020 18:07:31 GMT
Really sorry to see JCH go but fully understand the reasons. Thanks for your efforts in the quarters JCH. I just hope they have the same success with him as we have from the two attacking players we have signed from them in recent years! Not surprised at all. We just can't hold on to anyone decent, same ol' story different player. No ambition as always, we seem to take one step forward, then one back again ! I understand JCH and his contract etc, but Peterborough !! same division ! ? With our fanbase much larger than boro, we must be doing something massively wrong. As DC said, we are going nowhere. Sad
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Aug 27, 2020 18:08:48 GMT
Pretty sure this hasn't come as a shock to the club as it might have to the fans. I would have though some kind of contingency plan has been put in place and perhaps even approaches have been made. I hope all this talk of Ben's contact book comes into force to get hold of a prolific goal scorer
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Post by Gas-Ed on Aug 27, 2020 18:11:34 GMT
Pretty sure this hasn't come as a shock to the club as it might have to the fans. I would have though some kind of contingency plan has been put in place and perhaps even approaches have been made. I hope all this talk of Ben's contact book comes into force to get hold of a prolific goal scorer It must be a huge shock, given he was bed-bound with a stomach bug 48 hours ago!
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Aug 27, 2020 18:13:49 GMT
Pretty sure this hasn't come as a shock to the club as it might have to the fans. I would have though some kind of contingency plan has been put in place and perhaps even approaches have been made. I hope all this talk of Ben's contact book comes into force to get hold of a prolific goal scorer It must be a huge shock, given he was bed-bound with a stomach bug 48 hours ago! Or... They knew and Peterborough had requested he didnt play? Maybe???
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