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Post by stevek192 on Sept 22, 2020 8:24:30 GMT
I have nothing against the policy of bringing in younger players to eventually sell but our problem over the fifty odd years that I have supported the gas is exactly the same thing every time. When we do sell a player we don't replace that player with a FAIR proportion of the money we get. You can't expect to be successful if you sell your best player which is usually your goalscorer and replace him with players with no goalscoring record at the level you are playing. Peterborough may not go up again this year but at least when they sell a striker for mega bucks they then replace him with two players far cheaper than the fee they get but proven at the level .Andy Tillson as our record signing still in this day and age is nothing short of ridiculous.Everybody harps on about finding the n ext Barry hayles and things like this but the truth is for every Barry Hayles there are five Blissetts, James, Taits, etc etc. It doesn't matter what type of football we play we aren't going to win anything if we don't have a player who has a clue where the net is! We should have been signing say a Piggott or a Healey but as usual we are going about things the ultra cheap way and that will cost us our level of football.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 22, 2020 8:30:31 GMT
In the context of a club like Bristol Rovers, what does 'successful' actually mean?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 22, 2020 8:31:12 GMT
true story
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 8:33:53 GMT
I have nothing against the policy of bringing in younger players to eventually sell but our problem over the fifty odd years that I have supported the gas is exactly the same thing every time. When we do sell a player we don't replace that player with a FAIR proportion of the money we get. You can't expect to be successful if you sell your best player which is usually your goalscorer and replace him with players with no goalscoring record at the level you are playing. Peterborough may not go up again this year but at least when they sell a striker for mega bucks they then replace him with two players far cheaper than the fee they get but proven at the level .Andy Tillson as our record signing still in this day and age is nothing short of ridiculous.Everybody harps on about finding the n ext Barry hayles and things like this but the truth is for every Barry Hayles there are five Blissetts, James, Taits, etc etc. It doesn't matter what type of football we play we aren't going to win anything if we don't have a player who has a clue where the net is! We should have been signing say a Piggott or a Healey but as usual we are going about things the ultra cheap way and that will cost us our level of football. What do you actually expect when the club is burning cash to the tune of £100s of 1000s every season? You cannot divorce yourself from financial reality in order to realise some schoolboy fantasy.
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Post by Biggsy on Sept 22, 2020 8:37:19 GMT
Totally agree and the classic example is when we unearthed Paul Randall he had Bobby Gould and Dave Staniforth to provide the experience and knowhow. Our young inexperienced strikers have no one to learn from,Its so obvious and instead of nurturing the youngsters their future careers could be jeopardised by the continual lack of an experienced front man.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 22, 2020 8:51:27 GMT
and when the club is administration due to money mismanagement you will moan about that as well
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 22, 2020 8:56:09 GMT
Because it's a business? We're literally bleeding money, does anyone really honestly expect us to use even a third of that £1.25m to sign new players when that money legit helps keep the lights on, pays staff and continues to fund the training ground project. In fact, signing youngsters on loan is PROBABLY a more cost-effective route to get good players in whilst building good relationships with bigger clubs.
Edit: as a caveat, would people moan if we signed another JCH on a free transfer again? Is that a 'poor way of spending money' and 'why we won't be successful'? Absolute load of rubbish. I also support Manchester Utd and can assure you that spending more money is not always the best solution...
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Post by peterparker on Sept 22, 2020 8:57:14 GMT
In the context of a club like Bristol Rovers, what does 'successful' actually mean? right now, surviving as an entity I would say
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Post by LJG on Sept 22, 2020 8:57:15 GMT
I have nothing against the policy of bringing in younger players to eventually sell but our problem over the fifty odd years that I have supported the gas is exactly the same thing every time. When we do sell a player we don't replace that player with a FAIR proportion of the money we get. You can't expect to be successful if you sell your best player which is usually your goalscorer and replace him with players with no goalscoring record at the level you are playing. Peterborough may not go up again this year but at least when they sell a striker for mega bucks they then replace him with two players far cheaper than the fee they get but proven at the level .Andy Tillson as our record signing still in this day and age is nothing short of ridiculous.Everybody harps on about finding the n ext Barry hayles and things like this but the truth is for every Barry Hayles there are five Blissetts, James, Taits, etc etc. It doesn't matter what type of football we play we aren't going to win anything if we don't have a player who has a clue where the net is! We should have been signing say a Piggott or a Healey but as usual we are going about things the ultra cheap way and that will cost us our level of football. This is not the reason we will never be successful. It's quite normal for clubs even up to mid-table Prem. The reason we will never be successful is because we seem to have a collective mindset that it's OK to write off every league game for the first half of the season and only start taking things seriously from Christmas onwards.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 22, 2020 9:12:44 GMT
In the context of a club like Bristol Rovers, what does 'successful' actually mean? right now, surviving as an entity I would say For me, "success" means avoiding relegation this season and accumulating enough financial resources to play at this level next season. There again, my expectations are pitifully low.
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Post by darkbluegas on Sept 22, 2020 9:16:46 GMT
It wouldn’t surprise me at all under this regime to see the club get relegated this year whilst the rebuilding process takes place. The club is being completely reorganised and I imagine Wael’s plans are very long term. This season is probably the time to do it when supporters match day input is minimal
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 22, 2020 9:21:17 GMT
right now, surviving as an entity I would say For me, "success" means avoiding relegation this season and accumulating enough financial resources to play at this level next season. There again, my expectations are pitifully low. I think that's where we are these days. Too many of our fans are completely deluded and think we are some big league one team. It is not the 90's anymore. We have one of the worst, if not the worst stadium in the league. Yes the new training ground will help but the more the other teams continue to improve their facilities, along with the bigger ex prem teams coming down to this league, we will continue to struggle. So we need to keep the majority of the money we receive from player sales. I know its not easy finding the next star player. The success rate is low. But that's the same for all other teams who try to the same.
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Post by rusho'gas on Sept 22, 2020 9:23:15 GMT
The reason we will not be successful is down to a number of factors.
We always have and always will be a selling club.
We do not have a benefactor willing to chuck multi, multi millions at the place to buy success
We do not have the infrastructure in place (yet)to develop as a business
Wael is doing his bit, but he has inherited a club with no spine.
That aside, we will always be a selling club. I guess the benchmark is selling for more than you paid out.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 22, 2020 9:36:23 GMT
As Faggoty says how do you measure success?. to me Rovers being well over 100 years old , as Gordon Bennett said ' paying our way', surviving against what at times have been tremendous odds, giving us some unforgettable memories, ( yes, and some not so memorable, but they only serve to enhance the good ones) we have unearthed some brilliant footballers and helped them on there way to greater success, while maintaining our place in the football pyramid, so i reckon that is success, of course if you measure success as being part of the greed and financial gluttony of the top table then we are some way behind and i for one are content to be so! You here yet again today those at the top on about a 1.5 billion rescue package! obscene in these troubled times IMHO, if a few players and officials like Gordon Taylor gave up a weeks wages problem solved, up the Rovers (but not to high eh! )
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Post by putterbishopston on Sept 22, 2020 9:39:28 GMT
I have nothing against the policy of bringing in younger players to eventually sell but our problem over the fifty odd years that I have supported the gas is exactly the same thing every time. When we do sell a player we don't replace that player with a FAIR proportion of the money we get. You can't expect to be successful if you sell your best player which is usually your goalscorer and replace him with players with no goalscoring record at the level you are playing. Peterborough may not go up again this year but at least when they sell a striker for mega bucks they then replace him with two players far cheaper than the fee they get but proven at the level .Andy Tillson as our record signing still in this day and age is nothing short of ridiculous.Everybody harps on about finding the n ext Barry hayles and things like this but the truth is for every Barry Hayles there are five Blissetts, James, Taits, etc etc. It doesn't matter what type of football we play we aren't going to win anything if we don't have a player who has a clue where the net is! We should have been signing say a Piggott or a Healey but as usual we are going about things the ultra cheap way and that will cost us our level of football. What do you actually expect when the club is burning cash to the tune of £100s of 1000s every season? You cannot divorce yourself from financial reality in order to realise some schoolboy fantasy. Yes, when you look at it, we have the infrastructure that is costing a million pounds a season and we front that exercise with unproven loanee's and cheap unproven signings. It's like owning an F1 set-up and putting out a Ford Focus and hoping to win. Not sure if this is fantasy, but it sure is an expensive hobby for the owner.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 22, 2020 9:44:42 GMT
I find it very interesting the replies here but in view of these sensible replies cannot understand why BG is getting so much grief when he has had to sell the only player who really scored goals for us and replace him with strikers with no goalscoring record whatsoever at this level. He can bring in all the players he like but if you cannot put the ball in the net enough times you will be relegated. Looking at our squad and allocating goals I cannot honestly see where 30 goals are going to come from let alone the n umber for a reasonable season!
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Post by axegas on Sept 22, 2020 9:46:10 GMT
I would actually say that not reinvesting all of JCH’s money on a replacement is a sensible thing to do this summer. Right now, especially with the news that the return of spectators is going to be put on hold, surviving will be a success for the football club and the JCH money will give Rovers an advantage over other teams in that regard.
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Post by SleepyGas on Sept 22, 2020 9:46:47 GMT
The reason we will not be successful is down to a number of factors. We always have and always will be a selling club. We do not have a benefactor willing to chuck multi, multi millions at the place to buy success We do not have the infrastructure in place (yet)to develop as a business Wael is doing his bit, but he has inherited a club with no spine. That aside, we will always be a selling club. I guess the benchmark is selling for more than you paid out. Nothing wrong with being a selling club.. especially at our level.. the critical thing is to ensure we have players we can bring in cheaply and sell for a decent profit allowing us to reinvest a portion of that profit on improving the squad & bringing in more prospects. We just need to learn from a few recent mistakes and try to avoid scenarios where we lose our best players cheaply or for nothing (see Bodin, Taylor, Lockyer) - although this is always going to be a risk, especially if you want to keep players hungry and not dish out long term contracts... My concern in the short term is building a team where there is an imbalance between experienced pros & "prospects".. bit of a gamble that! " You don't win anything with kids"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 13:24:34 GMT
All clubs except about 5 in the world are selling clubs.
I think garner/wael want to create a brentford/coventry/peterborough type club that have a good system of bringing young players in ,selling them at big profit while still progressing on the pitch. Its worth a try surely?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 22, 2020 13:33:04 GMT
Only if they are your players. Keep getting loans in dont make you a buck if promotion isn't of importance.we are now thinking like small clubs in existing in this division
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