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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 8, 2020 12:08:18 GMT
Excited for all the big dumb babies to tell us that watching Rovers lose to 3-1 to West Ham's under 23's was worth it. Class lads. I think that's fairly irrelavent. I think if it happens then Covid would have played a big part in that. Certainly don't think 1000 fans at a game would have made much impact. Still don't think it will get voted in. But like you say the trophy games have no bearing on this, they never did. If anything it stopped them from trying again, until now. Last time when they voted, it was not even close. So they came to a compromise and let them in the trophy. None of us want to see this happen. But if the options are 25% of league 1 and 2 clubs folding or letting them in and the money saving them clubs, then that could change things.
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 8, 2020 12:11:07 GMT
In all seriousness, I think we should discuss what we as a fanbase can feasibly do to try to nip this in the bud. Granted it would have to go to a vote between the EFL clubs, but I actually struggle to put into words how strongly opposed I am to this without just f-ing and blinding about it, and I would want us to do whatever we can to ensure that the vote from Bristol Rovers FC is a firm NO. For me, if it were to happen, I don't think I could bring myself to continue following football. The immorality is absolutely disgusting, of PL clubs first stitching us up with the EPPP, then scrapping emergency loans, then hijacking the Football League Trophy. If that wasn't enough, we now have to listen to the likes of these pricks mooting the possibly of using the demise of lower league clubs in the face of a global pandemic to further their own selfish agendas by replacing folded EFL clubs with their academies rather than to actually spread the wealth and help clubs and their communities. We had that conversation in 2016, some people decided they just wanted to watch Rovers and weren't arsed. Because it didn't have any bearing on them joining the league. If anything it kept them out of the league. Do you honestly think a few fans turning up, will make a difference when they decide. It will come down to money. That's always been the case and what ever fans do, that will always be the case.
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Post by darkbluegas on Oct 8, 2020 12:14:11 GMT
In the long term I would say it’s a dead cert and has been since the inception of the Premier League and Sky Deals. It’s the way of the world and it’s what the public generally want.
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Post by yaz on Oct 8, 2020 12:15:35 GMT
Which division will these B teams start in? Can other divisional clubs have B teams? What happens if you are relegated from the Premier League? Does your B team disappear? What happens about promotion and relegation of B teams? Can a B team be promoted to the Premier League? Can a B team play against its parent club in the same division?
Too Many contradictions?
The opposite effect may arise in that clubs in the lower divisions may get pushed further down the leagues by the B teams and not be able to survive?
Up The Underdogs UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2020 12:22:31 GMT
We had that conversation in 2016, some people decided they just wanted to watch Rovers and weren't arsed. Because it didn't have any bearing on them joining the league. If anything it kept them out of the league. Do you honestly think a few fans turning up, will make a difference when they decide. It will come down to money. That's always been the case and what ever fans do, that will always be the case. It could be more than money now it could well be about survival for the likes of Southend etc. By chance Rovers tweeted earlier they have sold 7,000 iFollow passes so far this season so that's a total income of less than £70K or around £10K(?) per match against the usual £150K they earn from each home game, so we're losing around £140K a home game! I wonder which way Wael will vote if it comes to a vote given that he's a big Chelsea fan?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2020 12:30:23 GMT
I think that's fairly irrelavent. I think if it happens then Covid would have played a big part in that. Certainly don't think 1000 fans at a game would have made much impact. Still don't think it will get voted in. But like you say the trophy games have no bearing on this, they never did. If anything it stopped them from trying again, until now. Last time when they voted, it was not even close. So they came to a compromise and let them in the trophy. None of us want to see this happen. But if the options are 25% of league 1 and 2 clubs folding or letting them in and the money saving them clubs, then that could change things. Exactly where I am Coming from! We're on the same page for once!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2020 12:30:47 GMT
In all seriousness, I think we should discuss what we as a fanbase can feasibly do to try to nip this in the bud. Granted it would have to go to a vote between the EFL clubs, but I actually struggle to put into words how strongly opposed I am to this without just f-ing and blinding about it, and I would want us to do whatever we can to ensure that the vote from Bristol Rovers FC is a firm NO. For me, if it were to happen, I don't think I could bring myself to continue following football. The immorality is absolutely disgusting, of PL clubs first stitching us up with the EPPP, then scrapping emergency loans, then hijacking the Football League Trophy. If that wasn't enough, we now have to listen to the likes of these pricks mooting the possibly of using the demise of lower league clubs in the face of a global pandemic to further their own selfish agendas by replacing folded EFL clubs with their academies rather than to actually spread the wealth and help clubs and their communities. We had that conversation in 2016, some people decided they just wanted to watch Rovers and weren't arsed. Think you are just causing an unnecessary divide to be honest..
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 8, 2020 12:33:21 GMT
We had that conversation in 2016, some people decided they just wanted to watch Rovers and weren't arsed. Because it didn't have any bearing on them joining the league. If anything it kept them out of the league. Do you honestly think a few fans turning up, will make a difference when they decide. It will come down to money. That's always been the case and what ever fans do, that will always be the case. The main way lower teams make their money is through attendances, a flat boycott of the whole competition would have led clubs to move away from that format.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 8, 2020 12:34:06 GMT
We had that conversation in 2016, some people decided they just wanted to watch Rovers and weren't arsed. Think you are just causing an unnecessary divide to be honest.. Alas the divide was created when you had the boycotters and the fans that blindly went along with it.
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Post by toddy1953 on Oct 8, 2020 12:39:12 GMT
I don’t think the decision to allow the PL B teams into the EFL trophy is the reason. The EFL Clubs voted not to allow B teams when Dyke was at the helm. What will create the debate again tho is the current Covid issue that have seen clubs get into financial crisis. There were already badly run clubs carrying unsustainable debts (us included?) before the virus, which has just exacerbated the situation for some. Others, like us are lucky that whist the amount of debt over the last few year has been unsustainable, the owner has taken the responsibility & has borne the issue himself, others are not as fortunate & I don’t know how long Wael can sustain us without crowds. The fact is the PL is basically fairy tale football, ‘we’ as football fans have contributed by buying Sky /BT so we can watch their football fantasy land. However, now the EFL, who imo are a waste of time, are going cap in hand to the PL for £200m , can we really blame the PL wanting to expand their lot by getting their B teams in the league as a condition to bailing clubs out? This has been in the pipeline since the PL jumped into bed with the TV companies. Blaming the issue on the EFL Trophy conditions is only masking the real issue of the greed of the PL fuelled by tv revenues. Protests started about 25 years too late to stop this juggernaut.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 8, 2020 12:42:55 GMT
Bit of a joke how these big clubs hoover up all the kids with potential, end up with 80 odd players on their books then moan they cant develop them.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 8, 2020 12:53:26 GMT
Which division will these B teams start in? Can other divisional clubs have B teams? What happens if you are relegated from the Premier League? Does your B team disappear? What happens about promotion and relegation of B teams? Can a B team be promoted to the Premier League? Can a B team play against its parent club in the same division? Too Many contradictions? The opposite effect may arise in that clubs in the lower divisions may get pushed further down the leagues by the B teams and not be able to survive? Up The Underdogs UTG Here is an interesting article about how this works in Spain; www.sportskeeda.com/football/spanish-b-teams-and-their-eligibility
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Post by Jomo on Oct 8, 2020 12:56:23 GMT
Bit of a joke how these big clubs hoover up all the kids with potential, end up with 80 odd players on their books then moan they cant develop them. It's a joke that so many could not see what was happening before their very eyes. This whole situation is in my view entirely by design. Step 1. Create new rules whereby young talent can be taken for a small fee set by tribunal. That way, the big clubs can ensure that despite having all the wealth in the first place, they don't need to pay transfer fees to the lower league clubs, and lower league clubs will eventually be unable to operate academies, which in turn drives more and more young talent into the remaining top level academies. Step 2. Cancel the rule whereby lower league clubs can take PL club's players on emergency short term loans. This then ensures that lower league clubs with little funding, have to stretch their funds to the limit by ensuring they have large enough squads to get them from one transfer window to the next. Not to mention that it further starves the academy players of competitive game time, thus giving more rationale to Step 3.... Step 3. Bring B teams into the Football League Trophy, citing that their many youngsters require competitive action as a direct result of implementation of Step 1. To ensure the lower league clubs vote for this, offer them a small amount of money towards it to covers their losses which are contributed to by implementation of Step 2. Step 4. Put out the occasional propaganda piece to work towards normalising Step 3. Example: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54422457Step 5. Begin to turn the screw on the "B teams into the League Structure" agenda.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 8, 2020 13:00:21 GMT
Bit of a joke how these big clubs hoover up all the kids with potential, end up with 80 odd players on their books then moan they cant develop them. It's a joke that so many could not see what was happening before their very eyes. This whole situation is in my view entirely by design. Step 1. Create new rules whereby young talent can be taken for a small fee set by tribunal. That way, the big clubs can ensure that despite having all the wealth in the first place, they don't need to pay transfer fees to the lower league clubs, and lower league clubs will eventually be unable to operate academies, which in turn drives more and more young talent into the remaining top level academies. Step 2. Cancel the rule whereby lower league clubs can take PL club's players on emergency short term loans. This then ensures that lower league clubs with little funding, have to stretch their funds to the limit by ensuring they have large enough squads to get them from one transfer window to the next. Step 3. Bring B teams into the Football League Trophy, citing that their many youngsters require competitive action as a direct result of implementation of Step 1. To ensure the lower league clubs vote for this, offer them a small amount of money towards it to covers their losses which are contributed to by implementation of Step 2. Step 4. Put out the occasional propaganda piece to work towards normalising Step 3. Example: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54422457Step 5. Begin to turn the screw on the "B teams into the League Structure" agenda. Very true mate. The EFL Trophy was just the beginning (well not really as you have explained, but thats when most saw their 'plan' in action) , COVID just happens to be a convenient way of speeding up the process and breaking through red tape
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Post by yaz on Oct 8, 2020 13:21:45 GMT
Which division will these B teams start in? Can other divisional clubs have B teams? What happens if you are relegated from the Premier League? Does your B team disappear? What happens about promotion and relegation of B teams? Can a B team be promoted to the Premier League? Can a B team play against its parent club in the same division? Too Many contradictions? The opposite effect may arise in that clubs in the lower divisions may get pushed further down the leagues by the B teams and not be able to survive? Up The Underdogs UTG Here is an interesting article about how this works in Spain; www.sportskeeda.com/football/spanish-b-teams-and-their-eligibilityVery interesting. Thanks. From a quick read and initial thoughts on it, it Does not bode well for lower league teams. They will get driven down on average? Also, if some B teams who gained promotion but could not go up to the parent’s division, then broke away, how can they survive if the players and facilities belong to the parent club? What this may do is just have less teams from different cities? England has an incredible number of clubs that are part of the community. Teams like Barrow and Harrogate would have found it much harder to climb up the leagues and teams like Yeovil Torquay York etc. will then also find it difficult to go up as teams like Rovers may get pushed down a tier or two by the B clubs? This will drive more EFL clubs to obscurity if not oblivion wrt support and league status, with respect to other lower league clubs? PS Imagine City B vs Rovers? Could be fun?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 8, 2020 13:30:10 GMT
So basically, Premiership teams get their "B" teams into the EFL, at the same time as League teams are all but out of business, and the next time a "pandemic" comes along, the few remaining local teams that go out of business will be replaced by u18s, and then we will have 4 league tables populated by 20-odd premiership teams and their youth setups. If I'm reading that correctly, that is. Have you factored in the next world war against China What effect would that have on your prognosis
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Post by SleepyGas on Oct 8, 2020 13:31:09 GMT
Imagine City B vs Rovers? Could be fun? This kind of thing already happens in the EFL Trophy. Newcastle U23s playing Sunderland for example. Sadly Sunderland fans (not traditionally lower league) are seemingly fans of the competition and turned up en-mass for that fixture. Not a great example..
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 8, 2020 13:33:27 GMT
So basically, Premiership teams get their "B" teams into the EFL, at the same time as League teams are all but out of business, and the next time a "pandemic" comes along, the few remaining local teams that go out of business will be replaced by u18s, and then we will have 4 league tables populated by 20-odd premiership teams and their youth setups. If I'm reading that correctly, that is. Have you factored in the next world war against China What effect would that have on your prognosis Here he is, Billy Elliot's Dad.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 8, 2020 13:34:21 GMT
Have you factored in the next world war against China What effect would that have on your prognosis Here he is, Billy Elliott's Dad. Grandad actually, get your facts right please
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Post by Westy on Oct 8, 2020 13:40:48 GMT
So basically, Premiership teams get their "B" teams into the EFL, at the same time as League teams are all but out of business, and the next time a "pandemic" comes along, the few remaining local teams that go out of business will be replaced by u18s, and then we will have 4 league tables populated by 20-odd premiership teams and their youth setups. If I'm reading that correctly, that is. Have you factored in the next world war against China What effect would that have on your prognosis Hmmmmm 🤔 roughly half a billion potential players 😋
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