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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Oct 8, 2020 13:55:11 GMT
In all seriousness, I think we should discuss what we as a fanbase can feasibly do to try to nip this in the bud. Granted it would have to go to a vote between the EFL clubs, but I actually struggle to put into words how strongly opposed I am to this without just f-ing and blinding about it, and I would want us to do whatever we can to ensure that the vote from Bristol Rovers FC is a firm NO. For me, if it were to happen, I don't think I could bring myself to continue following football. The immorality is absolutely disgusting, of PL clubs first stitching us up with the EPPP, then scrapping emergency loans, then hijacking the Football League Trophy. If that wasn't enough, we now have to listen to the likes of these pricks mooting the possibly of using the demise of lower league clubs in the face of a global pandemic to further their own selfish agendas, by replacing folded EFL clubs with their academies, rather than to actually spread the wealth and help clubs and their communities. This post is spot on, thanks Jomo, I couldn't have put it better myself
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Oct 8, 2020 14:01:03 GMT
If this ever happens, the surving EFL clubs should break away and start up their own league. I'm sure that a club/fans collective could find a way to really hurt Premier league revenues. A boycott of services which televise overpriced Premier league games, signing their own TV deals or protesting outside Premier league grounds for example.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 14:03:25 GMT
I think they would have forced it through regardless. If you don't leave your door wide open it makes it harder for the burglar to get in. Unfortunately, if the burglar is rich enough, he will have the tools to get through any door, whether it's open or closed. There were some very low attendances for the Paint Pot, but the PL countered this by putting more money into the prize pot. I have no interest in watching U23 teams - much preferred the old days of the Combination League as a way of blooding the youngsters.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 8, 2020 14:09:32 GMT
If you don't leave your door wide open it makes it harder for the burglar to get in. Unfortunately, if the burglar is rich enough, he will have the tools to get through any door, whether it's open or closed. There were some very low attendances for the Paint Pot, but the PL countered this by putting more money into the prize pot. ![](https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc4Njc0MzgyMzMzNjYz/hith-neville-chamberlain-peace-in-our-time-1938-2.jpg)
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 8, 2020 14:17:53 GMT
I would not be interested in watching if we were playing against b teams. Death of the English football. Maybe but what if the alternative is completely losing clubs? Well, I suppose this year’s salary cap must be a start to making them more sustainable. I guess there’s two issues here, the state of clubs who spend more than they earn generally and the effect of CV19 on football which makes it impossible for most clubs to function. UTG!
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 8, 2020 14:25:05 GMT
Unfortunately, if the burglar is rich enough, he will have the tools to get through any door, whether it's open or closed. There were some very low attendances for the Paint Pot, but the PL countered this by putting more money into the prize pot. ![](https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc4Njc0MzgyMzMzNjYz/hith-neville-chamberlain-peace-in-our-time-1938-2.jpg) Godwin's Law already? As I understood it, the clubs voted on this and Rovers voted against. No fan of the format and we have to guard against this but also guard against dividing the fans. This is more like Danegeld than the Trojan Horse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 14:36:18 GMT
it's an awful thought - Same as a few have said on here I would probably call it a day as I could see the only alternative being a localised set up with no chance of Promotion or Relegation.
Rovers / Swindon / Cheltenham / Exeter / Forest Green / Oxford / Plymouth all playing each other four times a season OR Under 23s filled with names you have never heard of or been able to pronounce.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 8, 2020 16:48:22 GMT
.... and the sad thing is: Some will still continue to help fund this.
At least Man C have come out publicly and said what some of us knew all along in private. The EFL trophy helped assist this concept, and now it's official: nothing is sacred.
It's disgraceful to use Covid to peddle your own real agenda, unfortunately Premier League clubs have been eroding the rest of the league club's rights and income allocation below them since it's creation..
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Post by Qatar Gas on Oct 8, 2020 17:07:02 GMT
I can see it now, the premier league offering money to bail out the lower league clubs on the brink, but only at the acceptance of B teams entering the league! Could you imagine how many more youth players they would end up stockpiling.
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 8, 2020 17:11:22 GMT
For me this would be the end of me watching football. They can shove it where the sun don’t shine. Don’t watch the tin pot poop. Ain’t going to watch this sh**e in the League should it come to pass.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 8, 2020 17:44:57 GMT
In all seriousness, I think we should discuss what we as a fanbase can feasibly do to try to nip this in the bud. Granted it would have to go to a vote between the EFL clubs, but I actually struggle to put into words how strongly opposed I am to this without just f-ing and blinding about it, and I would want us to do whatever we can to ensure that the vote from Bristol Rovers FC is a firm NO. For me, if it were to happen, I don't think I could bring myself to continue following football. The immorality is absolutely disgusting, of PL clubs first stitching us up with the EPPP, then scrapping emergency loans, then hijacking the Football League Trophy. If that wasn't enough, we now have to listen to the likes of these pricks mooting the possibly of using the demise of lower league clubs in the face of a global pandemic to further their own selfish agendas, by replacing folded EFL clubs with their academies, rather than to actually spread the wealth and help clubs and their communities. The opportunity to nip it in the bud has passed. The opportunity to show the EFL/PL that we didn't want B teams was when they were introduced to the trophy. I know it's all a bit doom and gloom, but I can't see any way that fans can counter this without being strict about boycotts. Which I don't think will ever happen.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 8, 2020 19:37:49 GMT
Shots fired from the EFL?
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Post by yaz on Oct 8, 2020 19:42:28 GMT
If this ever happens, the surving EFL clubs should break away and start up their own league. I'm sure that a club/fans collective could find a way to really hurt Premier league revenues. A boycott of services which televise overpriced Premier league games, signing their own TV deals or protesting outside Premier league grounds for example. If cricket is an example, this would not work! The FA , etc. would probably indicate that any players who play in these leagues may then not be allowed to play for England, Premier League teams, etc. Kerry Packer example. Also like cricket’s 2 division elites, no threat of relegation from 2nd division which is one of the reasons county cricket is full and stagnant in this country?
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Post by yaz on Oct 8, 2020 19:44:04 GMT
If this ever happens, the surving EFL clubs should break away and start up their own league. I'm sure that a club/fans collective could find a way to really hurt Premier league revenues. A boycott of services which televise overpriced Premier league games, signing their own TV deals or protesting outside Premier league grounds for example. If cricket is an example, this would not work! The FA , etc. would probably indicate that any players who play in these leagues may then not be allowed to play for England, Premier League teams, etc. Kerry Packer example. Also like cricket’s 2 division elites, no threat of relegation from 2nd division which is one of the reasons county cricket is full and stagnant in this country? Dull and stagnant
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2020 21:01:29 GMT
The reason I really think it could happen THIS TIME is because it could well be a win win for Premier league and efl clubs (compared to the alternative anyway). If you own an EFL club at the moment, you'll probably do anything you can to ensure the club stays afloat.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2020 21:30:54 GMT
The reason I really think it could happen THIS TIME is because it could well be a win win for Premier league and efl clubs (compared to the alternative anyway). If you own an EFL club at the moment, you'll probably do anything you can to ensure the club stays afloat. But a loss for the fans, if B Teams were introduced next season then that would give me a perfect excuse not to renew my season ticket after, most likely, missing most of this season's games.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2020 21:31:56 GMT
The reason I really think it could happen THIS TIME is because it could well be a win win for Premier league and efl clubs (compared to the alternative anyway). If you own an EFL club at the moment, you'll probably do anything you can to ensure the club stays afloat. But a loss for the fans, if B Teams were introduced next season then that would give me a perfect excuse not to renew my season ticket after, most likely, missing most of this season's games. But without them you might not have a club to support anyway. That is looking a real alternative.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 8, 2020 22:42:33 GMT
If this ever happens, the surving EFL clubs should break away and start up their own league. I'm sure that a club/fans collective could find a way to really hurt Premier league revenues. A boycott of services which televise overpriced Premier league games, signing their own TV deals or protesting outside Premier league grounds for example. If cricket is an example, this would not work! The FA , etc. would probably indicate that any players who play in these leagues may then not be allowed to play for England, Premier League teams, etc. Kerry Packer example. Also like cricket’s 2 division elites, no threat of relegation from 2nd division which is one of the reasons county cricket is full and stagnant in this country?Sorry yaz but that’s rubbish. Can’t comment about Division 2 red-ball cricket but I’ve watched nearly every ball of Somerset’s home matches over the past 4/5 years and most of their away matches and in Division 1 County cricket is vibrant, popular, tough and hard-fought amongst very good teams. But I have also enjoyed this conference-style Bob Willis Trophy which I hope will stay where every team has a chance of winning the Championship. But I agree with your general point, it’s just a poor analogy. UTG!
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Post by Fat Albert on Oct 9, 2020 0:46:32 GMT
I think that would be me done if it were to happen. I want to see the Gas fighting against other teams that are like minded to get as far up the football pyramid as possible. Not turning out against other teams reserves where one teams worth could potentially be higher than half the division put together.
UTG
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Post by Congas on Oct 9, 2020 5:35:48 GMT
All the more reason to build that 20k + stadium and get our asses out of this level. I wonder how many will complain if we do just that and send our youngsters back? I suppose I might feel a bit better about it if we got to the Prem and sent our kids to beat City! Haha, me too. But jokes aside, I'd hate it to happen for all the reasons already highlighted here. In Spain they're allowed to get as far as the second tier but not get promoted from there. That really is ridiculous because they still have an impact on relegation and promotion.
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