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Post by socrates on Nov 3, 2020 23:14:42 GMT
I’ve got faith in him as a coach to coach our young players and make them better definitely. As a manager he doesn’t seem to be proactive at all and his reactions seem to be one dimensional, for example you can normally see when a goals coming against but he doesn’t seem to make any changes then it happens and then when he does make a sub it’s like for like with still no tactical changes. As long as we don’t drop in to the bottom four we should stick with him for now but I’m not convinced he understands league 1 and what does and doesn’t work at this level.
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Post by socrates on Nov 3, 2020 23:21:17 GMT
I’ve said it so many times since garner arrived the best league 1 sides get it forward get it in the opposition final third and are quite direct. I don’t mean they hoof it I mean they play fast direct football with a good tempo. Peterborough tonight being the perfect example, no thrills get it forward quickly and get players in and around the box. The total opposite of us.
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Post by biggles on Nov 3, 2020 23:31:11 GMT
you cant win when you are a manager win its a pat on the back loose its a knife in the back!
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 4, 2020 0:12:42 GMT
Not convinced but he’s done enough so far this season not to get the chop. We’ve had some tidy wins but far from enough. Big red flags though, and extrapolate our form from the first ten and you’re looking at narrowly avoiding relegation. GC style monthly league tables for me with targets based on the opposition. If he doesn’t perform, he should go. Bear in mind with extrapolating points that we've played 5 of the current top 6. I've seen an improvement game on game under BG. I don't think we'll be in any real danger of relegation this season. We look destined for mid table mediocrity.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Nov 4, 2020 6:25:10 GMT
For the love of God
Another one of these???
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Post by Jomo on Nov 4, 2020 7:34:30 GMT
I actually agree with the concerns that a lot of people have, but at the same time I agree with others that this is not reason to panic and sack him.
I just want him to understand that possession doesn't equal product. His post match interview makes out that he felt we matched Posh, created chances, and the difference was 2 quality strikes. Sure, if you look at it from a distance then maybe all 3 of those could be true, but it really isn't. But for some wayward finishing from Dembele and Szmodics, we could easily have conceded 5 or 6 last night, and aside from the 2 chances that Garner mentioned, I honestly don't remember us creating anything other than Hare knocking in several disappointing crosses and Westbrooke having several disappointing corners?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2020 7:42:53 GMT
For me as it is I think how he performs is irrelevant. As long as we don't get relegated I'll be happy to drift through this season and get it done without any dramas or worries. Have a proper go next season when the fans are back. Why should we just write this season off again, didn't we do that last season once GC quit? After a small blip we've now reverted to never making any chances nor looking like scoring, all we get now is the 3 CB's passing the ball along the back line, it's the most boring football we've watched since John Ward took us down, I sense BG will be doing similar if we can't beat Swindon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 8:44:28 GMT
All BG can come out with is "we outplayed them". The man is demented and all he can do is cite things like possession stats, unfortunately only goals for stats win you games. Thought we were totally pathetic tonight in their half and they never got out of second gear to keep us out. Passing the ball around at the back by the back three will never hurt any opposition and tonight was a perfect example, but hey we outplayed them because of that is totally laughable.
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 4, 2020 9:04:55 GMT
Sleepwalking to a relegation battle. Not even making chances and his one hope is that hare can deliver one good cross every match that is put away. Dirge too watch and if you can't get too sleep listen to a garner interview
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Post by putterbishopston on Nov 4, 2020 9:19:04 GMT
Garner could not have been watching the same game as me with his 'outpayed them comment', if we were playing a 4 man team of Szmodic, Butler, Taylor, Dembele, we would still be faffing around with the ball at the back today.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 4, 2020 9:47:33 GMT
Yawn yawn yawn, do we really need another one of these threads Def NOT!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 4, 2020 9:52:33 GMT
YES, i do have faith in BG , and it seems most fans do, he is not perfect and will learn from mistakes as he makes transition from coach to manager, the main thing is Wael really believes in BG and i trust his judgement.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 4, 2020 9:54:01 GMT
For the love of God Another one of these??? This place is unbelievable! We criticise the Teds for whinging but my god we ain’t too bad are we! A ridiculous thread. A couple of league wins on the trot and the bus will be back out again, GasChat eh? 😂
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2020 10:01:36 GMT
For the love of God Another one of these??? This place is unbelievable! We criticise the Teds for whinging but my god we ain’t too bad are we! A ridiculous thread. A couple of league wins on the trot and the bus will be back out again, GasChat eh? 😂 Any chance you could highlight the couple of fixtures we're going to win on the trot? The Swindon game is looking a big fixture to me as lose that, assuming we don't beat Fleetwood and we're back in the relegation battle, even though BG must have been given a top 10 playing budget.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2020 10:04:07 GMT
YES, i do have faith in BG , and it seems most fans do, he is not perfect and will learn from mistakes as he makes transition from coach to manager, the main thing is Wael really believes in BG and i trust his judgement. How can you say that, how many fans have you asked? I personally think he's totally out of his depth, I want us to be winning matches not training a coach to be a manager.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 4, 2020 10:05:50 GMT
This place is unbelievable! We criticise the Teds for whinging but my god we ain’t too bad are we! A ridiculous thread. A couple of league wins on the trot and the bus will be back out again, GasChat eh? 😂 Any chance you could highlight the couple of fixtures we're going to win on the trot? The Swindon game is looking a big fixture to me as lose that, assuming we don't beat Fleetwood and we're back in the relegation battle, even though BG must have been given a top 10 playing budget. Thanks for highlighting my point Topper, I really do wonder why some people bother, moan moan moan.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2020 10:14:57 GMT
I said we needed 4-5 wins from the first 10 games to say its improvement enough to keep faith with him that he has the minerals to makes us promotion challengers. The results have been nothing more than bang average with the only unexpected win coming from behind against Lincoln. We have been decimated by every bigger club with players that IMO, are no better or worse than ours on paper, but have been out thought tactically by the opposition manager.
We seem to have a rigid substitution method, preferring to stick to what we do, as opposed to change personelle, shape and formation to change the game (Ipswich, Doncaster, Hull and P'boro all being examples). We dont create nearly enough chances from open play in 2 games of football to win one game (last 2 games have only produced 5 shots on target) Our strikers are playing as individuals rather than a partnership, Hanlon is doing his own thing (mainly because the service to him is shocking) whilst Daly is running around in the hope of nicking something. This is mainly because they are being set up 25-30 yards apart from each other. There is no chemistry with the front 2 and the attacking midfield line.
We seem to be able to pass it lovely across the back and into the middle but get to the final 1/3 and run out of ideas so go backwards to the centre circle and beyond. We dont press it quick enough to pass it through the opposition to create anything, and we create little by way of crosses from the left as Tutonda, prefers to come inside rather than overlap to the byline. The only cross from the left last night was a Daly cutback. Whether thats down to poor movement or fitness to accelerate into those areas I dont know.
Our possession stats are so high, because once our opposition are 2-0 up, they are happy to sit back, soak up the pressure, as they know that we are clueless in the final 3rd with no cutting edge, and if they park the bus its job done. (Hull, Ipswich, Donny, P'boro all employed those tactics.
This isn't being harsh, I've watched all 10 games this year, and everyone of them has been the same. In fact, its so frustrating to watch that after the first goal last night, I knew we would lose. Because the evidence of the previous 300 minutes of football told me we didn't have minerals to compete.
Its hard to know whether to stick or twist. I guess by Xmas we will really know the answer.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 4, 2020 10:28:19 GMT
"My view is that this season is no better than the last,he has got the players he wanted...."
Agree with the o p especially as BG took over when we were riding high and still has yet to hit those heights.
Empathise with o p. I think the non signing of a recognised striker poses huge risk. We are left with 3 strikers, one of which is rookie and injured....I know others can fill in the duty or role, but when opportunity presents itself, isn't it best to have your best players that can score presented with them?
I've still yet to see BG make tactical/strategic/unforced pro active change to gain a positive result when things are going against us.
Ok, we have played well in some matches, which is encouraging (especially v Lincoln away), but for me the jury is firmly out and I truly hope BG proves me wrong, but as of now, I have no faith in our manager.
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 4, 2020 10:31:22 GMT
Would you rather be bored to tears by GC again? At least we can see they're trying to play the right way with technically good players. Unusual watching him have to learn as he goes, and he definitely should make changes and subs sooner - but I'm still satisfied Yeah was dead boring being 4th at Christmas 😂
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Post by socrates on Nov 4, 2020 10:32:04 GMT
Well I just watched the post match interview and I reckon Garner must have done a fat line of Ketamine before he watched that game. It’s like he wasn’t even there.
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