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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 4, 2020 16:11:15 GMT
My issue with Garner is our second half performances. His substitutions seem to lack imagination and have minimal impact on the outcome of the game. The statisticians may correct me but it appears that we only win or draw when we score first. If the opposition score first we seem lost and unable to rescue the game.
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Post by james246 on Nov 4, 2020 16:22:17 GMT
My issue with Garner is our second half performances. His substitutions seem to lack imagination and have minimal impact on the outcome of the game. The statisticians may correct me but it appears that we only win or draw when we score first. If the opposition score first we seem lost and unable to rescue the game. I thought this loss was more about being beaten by the better team, I do feel however that the guy who is clearly the most creative player in the club needs to be on the field from the start. I also hope we can get JA fit as soon as possible, he could give us another dimension up front. Regarding scoring first what about the Lincoln game
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 4, 2020 16:22:19 GMT
It's worth sticking with him at least until lockdown ends for the comedic effect of his interviews alone! 😂
I still can't work out why he berated the referee whilst walking off for half time last night?
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Post by cockergas on Nov 4, 2020 16:58:38 GMT
It's worth sticking with him at least until lockdown ends for the comedic effect of his interviews alone! 😂 I still can't work out why he berated the referee whilst walking off for half time last night? thought he was unhappy with the ref because for the first goal he let them take a quick free kick about 20 yards away from where the infringement happened. If he had made them take it from where the foul was committed it would have allowed us time to get our shape sorted. Likewise for the 2nd goal it looked like a clear fouls on Westbrooke in their half that he let go and a few seconds later we were 2 down. Two cracking goals though, rashness from Alfie to dive in for the first and then no closing down for the 2nd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 18:14:01 GMT
Let's give him another 10 games. most definitely - or better still, the whole season. Finally we've some hungry (mainly young) players playing for the shirt who can also PLAY FOOTBALL ! The play football bit seems yet to be proven. I’ve never understand why people equate passing amongst the back three as positive football because there is no pressure on and usually the opponents are happy to let you do it when they know you’ll eventually give it back to them. Players can smell crap football like that and act accordingly. As an analogy I recall the recent Wales v England match. As a Wales fan I was interested in Wales fans claiming that we were the better team in the first half because we made the most passes. I could see quite clearly England had sussed us out and were happy to let us have possession in our defensive and middle thirds, waiting for the mistake. Inevitably it came, ball gets lost, lots of players upfield and caught out, England break, Grealish crosses and England score an easy goal with their first shot on target. In effect that passing football proved a weakness because it helped to expose Wales when the ball was lost. That in a microcosm seems to sum up some of our struggles this season. I think we’re labouring under the idea of progress because we rack up more possession and more passes amongst the back three every game and Garner gets bolder in his pronouncements after the game as a result, feeling that we are somehow moral victors because we made more ineffective passes than they did and the actual goals they scored be damned. Somebody on here mentioned the key passes against Peterborough and that was very telling, for all our first half possession only 2 key passes or something like that. If we’re not making key passes what’s the point of the possession? Is unproductive passing even good football? I don’t get why people get taken in by this stuff. It’s all about goals whilst we have traded our goals along with our aimless punts for aimless passing and no goal. Not much in the way of progress at all in my view. They are both boring and reductive in their own way but at least the aimless punts resulted in shots on goal. Good passing football is so good that it tears defences open and makes goals inevitable. The only thing inevitable about our play is that it’s so slow and stultifying that the opponent’s defence will have a chance to reset and make us play in front of them which we don’t have the ability to do leaving us relying too heavily on penalties and mistakes to get what meagre goals we manage to score. For me that’s the story behind our ten games so far. So there could be a good team in there somewhere, but I’m not sure Garner has the ability to coach a team to play proper good football, not pretend good football. I’m sure the likes of you and I could coach our players to pass it along the back line under no pressure, that’s the water easy part, the talent is formulating strategies for breaking between the lines and creating space in the opponent’s defence that can be exploited but to do that you need a high tempo and quick thinking...or top tier players like Spain had but even then their tiki taka often struggled to break down defences when they played in front of teams and their possession dominance would only manifest itself in marginal wins because they played the game at a snail’s pace. Look at the likes of Leicester, *that’s* good football. Quick and economical, they can do in 6 passes what Garner would struggle to do in 20. They often surrender possession and turn it into a strength. So for me I really wonder about this “playing football” stuff. Aimless passing is not good football and not viable for keeping him in a job imo. I’d rather have Coughlan back if the sum total of our efforts under Garner are what we are seeing now. Given his lack of experience and what he has produced so far I’m really not seeing how he is going to keep evolving enough to turn us into a slick outfit. I wouldn’t be surprised if a more experienced manager gets a better tune out of us and it all clicks after Garner has gone.
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Post by roosty56 on Nov 4, 2020 19:09:54 GMT
This is completely new squad , the players need time to get use to there teamates strength and weaknesses , Unlike last season majority of opposition teams used to come out and attack us and we use to look for JCH to hold up the ball and look for supporting runners or see if he can produce some individual skill . This season most teams are defending deep .Getting. bodies behind the ball and try to catch Rovers on the counter attack. So tactics has to take time to develop to counter these tactics Anyone who knows the game ,that a brand new squad can take a full season to gel , let alone a handful of games. So patience has to be virtue, some fans want it things to happen overnight . I for one is quite happy seeing us competing against the Sunderland’s Of this world, more so than beating teams liike Alfreton at a canter So I implore genuine Gasheads please be patient and get behind the club. You have the right to come on here and post constructive criticism ,if or when it’s required, but if you want to moan or groan just for the sake of it, then may I kindly suggest you use another forum to use as a verbal punchbag. Because it’s boring and pathetic. I made my point , some will agree or disagree,and I won’t take the bait and reply to abuse. Because it’s my opinion and how I feel
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 5, 2020 5:02:27 GMT
Anyone who knows the game ,that a brand new squad can take a full season to gel , let alone a handful of games. ..... even if that season leads to relegation?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 5, 2020 6:25:18 GMT
Let's give him another 10 games. most definitely - or better still, the whole season. Finally we've some hungry (mainly young) players playing for the shirt who can also PLAY FOOTBALL ! I was talking the water. I think BG has a good eye for picking out a young talented player. I just don't see any evidence that he can manage a football team.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2020 8:53:51 GMT
I can't understand why BG only makes changes after we concede, it was obvious on Tuesday that we weren't going to score but he still waited until we let in a second before making any changes, but by them the game was lost.
Why do we have to play with a rigid 3-5-2 surely he can try 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3 when we're chasing a game.
Also what is all this nonsense with Kilgour only passing it sideways, that was never the case under GC.
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Post by xenongas on Nov 5, 2020 9:45:40 GMT
I'm still backing the manager and team.
I know it's turned into a bit of a joke but 10 game chunks is probably a good way of judging this season. It's plain to see how fickle we all are after any sequence of back to back results. 10 games takes us up to new years and whether you're bitter about it or not, BG ain't going anywhere before then.
The flashes of good play (mainly in the first 10mins of each half) are enough to keep me believing the right things are progressing. Obviously putting the ball in the net is our weakness at the moment. I would be interested to see how our xG compares to previous seasons as we haven't been scintillating for a few years now. My feeling towards this time last season is JCH created a lot for himself so I don't think we've gone backwards as a team in that department.
Anyway, looking forward to alternate waves of whinging and winning over the next two months.
UT(B)G
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Post by horfield on Nov 5, 2020 10:07:02 GMT
Does anyone know what tablets Garner is on for delusion, if they do let us know, they sure would help us all get through this month long lockdown. Can't wait for the post match interview this Saturday, they really are worth waiting for, at least he's been told to stop touching his face when he gives one.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2020 10:30:06 GMT
I'm still backing the manager and team. I know it's turned into a bit of a joke but 10 game chunks is probably a good way of judging this season. It's plain to see how fickle we all are after any sequence of back to back results. 10 games takes us up to new years and whether you're bitter about it or not, BG ain't going anywhere before then. The flashes of good play (mainly in the first 10mins of each half) are enough to keep me believing the right things are progressing. Obviously putting the ball in the net is our weakness at the moment. I would be interested to see how our xG compares to previous seasons as we haven't been scintillating for a few years now. My feeling towards this time last season is JCH created a lot for himself so I don't think we've gone backwards as a team in that department. Anyway, looking forward to alternate waves of whinging and winning over the next two months. UT(B)G Forget xG over the 24 games BG's been in charge only Shrewsbury have picked up less pts in L1, P'boro have picked up over double our return but when GC left they were below us in the form tables. www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-one/daterange/fromdate:2019-Dec-24/todate:2020-Nov-05/type:home-and-away/If it wasn't for Shrewsbury we would also be bottom of the home form table this season. www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-one/form/matches:6/type:home/
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 5, 2020 10:50:06 GMT
Quite looking forward to actually taking in some Rovers matches during Lockdown 2. Having not been able to really get enthused by the manager or team, especially with the distance felt towards matches. I've never a Garniac, even prior to his appointment. I feel the next month is huge for him because without other distractions Rovers will become talked about more and more by supporters.
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Post by fanatical on Nov 5, 2020 12:21:47 GMT
It matters not a jot if we have faith in the manager - it is now in the prerogative of just ONE person. (or TWO if you include Mr Garner)
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Post by lpgas1 on Nov 5, 2020 12:29:30 GMT
3-3-4 is a perfectly reasonable start to a season. especially when we have played 5 of the top six and only 2 of the bottom 7 This early in the season thats not an excuse
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Post by lpgas1 on Nov 5, 2020 12:37:27 GMT
My issue with Garner is our second half performances. His substitutions seem to lack imagination and have minimal impact on the outcome of the game. The statisticians may correct me but it appears that we only win or draw when we score first. If the opposition score first we seem lost and unable to rescue the game. I thought this loss was more about being beaten by the better team, I do feel however that the guy who is clearly the most creative player in the club needs to be on the field from the start. I also hope we can get JA fit as soon as possible, he could give us another dimension up front. Regarding scoring first what about the Lincoln game Why are Peterboro the better team? Crowd wise they are about the same as us. the difference is they have better players, and a better manager. Yet Garner did say we are close to being a top six team
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Post by lpgas1 on Nov 5, 2020 12:39:49 GMT
Who will want him to stay if we are in the bottom 4 come Christmas? Not me
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 13:11:08 GMT
I believe in the direction we are trying to take, i believe we have some good players in the squad, to many midfielders and not enough strikers but this can be addressed in the next window. What i'm struggling with is the belief in the manager to achieve this as he has shown no tactical nous during matches and talks utter tripe about what i have just watched. I truly hope the fans who have belief in Mr Garner are correct, i just can't see it yet.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2020 13:35:55 GMT
If if we can all see we've too many midfielders and not enough strikers why can't BG see it? Just look at the players he signed when the last window was closing, Oztumer to sit on the bench shortly after he'd already signed McCormick and yet another LWB when we already had 3, two of which he signed/offered a new contract to in the summer.
Starnes excuse for not spending JCH's transfer money was that we would only receive it in two installments but if we pay a transfer fee for a striker I assume that would also be paid in installments.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 14:03:08 GMT
I'm still backing the manager and team. I know it's turned into a bit of a joke but 10 game chunks is probably a good way of judging this season. It's plain to see how fickle we all are after any sequence of back to back results. 10 games takes us up to new years and whether you're bitter about it or not, BG ain't going anywhere before then. The flashes of good play (mainly in the first 10mins of each half) are enough to keep me believing the right things are progressing. Obviously putting the ball in the net is our weakness at the moment. I would be interested to see how our xG compares to previous seasons as we haven't been scintillating for a few years now. My feeling towards this time last season is JCH created a lot for himself so I don't think we've gone backwards as a team in that department. Anyway, looking forward to alternate waves of whinging and winning over the next two months. UT(B)G JCH was out injured for two months last season whilst we were on our winning run, we scored quite a few goals in that time so our expected goals would have been high even without him. A facet of GC’s approach seemed to be getting shots off, is it any surprised that our xG is low because we hardly ever shoot from distance? We can all hazard a guess as to why that might be but it would certainly play into the Garnerball stereotype that our focus is on passing ourselves to death and walking the ball into the net rather than have a speculative effort that might test the keeper or win a corner. It’s no surprise that that same observation of walking the ball into the net was made by a number of posters during the Peterborough game so there does seem to be some basis to that being the reason our xG is so low. Put simply, it’s one of the most fundamental rules of football: you don’t shoot you don’t score.
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