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Post by playtowin on Nov 21, 2020 17:48:44 GMT
We have to give Tis 11 months even if we only get 6 wins before he gets sacked. It's what the last guy got.
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Post by yetigas on Nov 21, 2020 17:49:16 GMT
Of course that is true. But what was worrying to me today was that we looked as though we had the opposite of a 'new manager bounce'. Confidence, energy, decision making were all awful. All the players looked nervous. PT may have had 2 days, but someone clearly told the players not to play it around at the back and to get the ball forward as soon as possible. I like Kilgour, great that he is one of ours, but today almost every decision he made defensively was the wrong one. And whilst performances under BG were inconsistent, I never saw us give away so much good possession. Let's hope the man management skills of PT are good because he will need them in abundance over the next few days. It must have been the ref's fault and the journey why we lost, then... eh? what's your point?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 17:50:28 GMT
Nothing too much Tisdale could do about this one😂. The playwes though is a different story. Usually when a new manager comes in, they all step up a couple of gears to impress the new manager so they become apart of his starting 11. Well, that didnt happen today did it? But he will surely have had input into the formation and tactics? I can’t remember us playing with a flat back five and two holding midfielders before this season.
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Post by tbonegas on Nov 21, 2020 17:51:00 GMT
We gave Garner twenty odd games and he took us from 6th to the brink of relegation and some still think he wasn't give a fair crack, Tilson has had 48 hrs and one game and he's the worst manager ever. This place is a joke. Tilson?
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Post by RD on Nov 21, 2020 17:55:08 GMT
Obviously only 1 game but unbelievably worrying signs today. 1) One of the worst displays of the last decade 2) Late substitutions - we were crap at 0-0, then we go a goal down and still nothing 3) When we finally do, we bring on 2 defenders I mean this is f**king basic stuff. The fact is we were warned about this by both Exeter and MK Don's fans. Doesn't mean he won't improve or turn it round obviously. But that is the most alarming management display I could have ever imagined. The stuff of nightmares doesn't even cover it. Unbelievably concerned. OMG - 1 Game !!!!!! Give the bloke a chance UTG Here we go again, same story as Garner. Not allowed to criticise. Today was utterly pathetic, end of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 17:56:31 GMT
We gave Garner twenty odd games and he took us from 6th to the brink of relegation and some still think he wasn't give a fair crack, Tilson has had 48 hrs and one game and he's the worst manager ever. This place is a joke. Tilson? Well we did have a Tisdale out thread before he was even appointed so perhaps someone needs to start a Tillson out one as well !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 17:57:59 GMT
OMG - 1 Game !!!!!! Give the bloke a chance UTG Here we go again, same story as Garner. Not allowed to criticise. Today was utterly pathetic, end of. I’ll say again: game management can always be criticised especially in an older manager as it is indicative of your mindset. Maybe he didn’t know Oztumer is a somewhat talented midfielder who can create openings and hit 30 yard stunners out of nothing...but if he didn’t, then why doesn’t he?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 17:58:23 GMT
he HAS to be criticised for the subs. Even if you don't know their strengths - or even their names - you must know bringing 2 defenders on with minutes to go and a goal down is complete incompetence. I dunno. The first thing that happened after those substitutions was Hare bombed down the wing got a long ball and won a corner. And he did the same again 2 minutes later. Not saying he couldn't have done that with 4 at the back, but istm the idea of bringing Baldwin on was to free up the wingbacks. Precisely Antonio. Went three at the back when Baldwin came on and Koiki on for Tutonda who was very poor.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 21, 2020 17:59:04 GMT
We gave Garner twenty odd games and he took us from 6th to the brink of relegation and some still think he wasn't give a fair crack, Tilson has had 48 hrs and one game and he's the worst manager ever. This place is a joke. It's really everyone else's fault but Tisdale's today isn't it?
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Post by RD on Nov 21, 2020 17:59:29 GMT
Here we go again, same story as Garner. Not allowed to criticise. Today was utterly pathetic, end of. I’ll say again: game management can always be criticised especially in an older manager as it is indicative of your mindset. Maybe he didn’t know Oztumer is a somewhat talented midfielder who can create openings and hit 30 yard stunners out of nothing...but if he didn’t, then why doesn’t he? Precisely - line up and starting tactics I can absolutely forgive. But game management is inexcusable. One thing Garner doing it, but I expect more - even just the basics ffs - from someone with circa 20 years worth of management experience.
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Post by utg4eva on Nov 21, 2020 17:59:39 GMT
We need to see support from the board...the BG sacking was bizarre because his last 10 games were arguably his best.
4 wins and 3 draws out of 10 games then sacked for losing to Fleetwood.
Tisdale should judged on progress, improvement and be backed by the board.
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Post by axegas on Nov 21, 2020 17:59:49 GMT
Here we go again, same story as Garner. Not allowed to criticise. Today was utterly pathetic, end of. I’ll say again: game management can always be criticised especially in an older manager as it is indicative of your mindset. Maybe he didn’t know Oztumer is a somewhat talented midfielder who can create openings and hit 30 yard stunners out of nothing...but if he didn’t, then why doesn’t he? Maybe Tisdale was boycotting the use of 5 subs out of principle.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Nov 21, 2020 18:01:01 GMT
I would settled for a point in his almost first sentence! Um interesting now I am worried just me?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:02:04 GMT
I dunno. The first thing that happened after those substitutions was Hare bombed down the wing got a long ball and won a corner. And he did the same again 2 minutes later. Not saying he couldn't have done that with 4 at the back, but istm the idea of bringing Baldwin on was to free up the wingbacks. Precisely Antonio. Went three at the back when Baldwin came on and Koiki on for Tutonda who was very poor. Fair point...but how many goals from crosses do we have so far this season? Hanlan has got one league goal from a Westbrooke cross iirc. To my mind it’s not a strong part of our game so to put all your chips on it seems...interesting. I mean that’s the basics Tisdale could have done in 5 minutes, chatting to analysts about the type of goals we score.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:04:05 GMT
We gave Garner twenty odd games and he took us from 6th to the brink of relegation and some still think he wasn't give a fair crack, Tilson has had 48 hrs and one game and he's the worst manager ever. This place is a joke. It's really everyone else's fault but Tisdale's today isn't it?  It’s collective imo. Players not having the heart combined with a lack of creative subs. You have to give Tisdale time of course, especially with this group of players, but my initial suspicion is that he’s yesterday’s man in terms of ideas and there were elements of that in his handling of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:05:31 GMT
I would settled for a point in his almost first sentence! Um interesting now I am worried just me? I didn’t need him to tell me that in an interview - one look at the team sheet at 2:01 told me he was playing for a point !
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Post by onedaygas83 on Nov 21, 2020 18:06:20 GMT
We gave Garner twenty odd games and he took us from 6th to the brink of relegation and some still think he wasn't give a fair crack, Tilson has had 48 hrs and one game and he's the worst manager ever. This place is a joke. Tilson? we've never replaced Yates as defensive coach and Tilson is a must for me
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Post by Gassy on Nov 21, 2020 18:08:27 GMT
It's really everyone else's fault but Tisdale's today isn't it? It’s collective imo. Players not having the heart combined with a lack of creative subs. You have to give Tisdale time of course, especially with this group of players, but my initial suspicion is that he’s yesterday’s man in terms of ideas and there were elements of that in his handling of the game. I worry about how much time he'll get with the players as well tbh. We have a weekend and midweek game now every week until Christmas and if you only get a day or 2 each week to actually train, then how much can he do/implement? I remember similar issues with Garner last season - Tisdale will certainly need all his experience to get the most out them in the little time they'll have on the training pitch.
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Post by gashead99 on Nov 21, 2020 18:10:46 GMT
Many seem to have overlooked the communication from the top in the week. They weren't unhappy with the changes in the summer - it was part of a fundamental shift in strategy for the club. BG, for all his inability to up his win %, played a massive part in that change. We can criticise recruitment but, with the exception of probably exchanging a LB for a striker, what has come in is arguably better than what went out. The players have to take responsibility. After all, how hard is it to pass the ball in a straight line to someone wearing the same colour shirt as you? We aren't winning games because we aren't creating chances nor are we incisive in the final third. I liked possession football. Today we gave the ball away too often and too easily. Sort the final third and we will be fine. Going back to the midweek communication, the board are already looking towards next season. And let's not forget, the head of recruitment is now, rightly, director or football. So incomings can't be all that bad, can they?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2020 18:16:24 GMT
It must have been the ref's fault and the journey why we lost, then... eh? what's your point? My point was made in my original post. Whilst I agree with your evaluation on today's match, the new manager bounce didn't happen with BG either. But back then, what continued was the boll0x excuses were employed, so at least we didn't have that today in post match comments. A small progress. What was positive, was the formation change that had a positive effect. I honestly thought we were unlucky to lose today because the free kick was given the wrong way, but hey whom in their right mind would blame the officials for a defeat... ? 🤔
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