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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2020 18:18:44 GMT
It's really everyone else's fault but Tisdale's today isn't it? It’s collective imo. Players not having the heart combined with a lack of creative subs. You have to give Tisdale time of course, especially with this group of players, but my initial suspicion is that he’s yesterday’s man in terms of ideas and there were elements of that in his handling of the game. How many years out of date do you suspect he is?
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Post by gastronaut on Nov 21, 2020 18:20:20 GMT
He is a football manager, not a magician; give the man a chance. Our last match we conceded 4, PT has not come in and decked a great run of form!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:26:50 GMT
Many seem to have overlooked the communication from the top in the week. They weren't unhappy with the changes in the summer - it was part of a fundamental shift in strategy for the club. BG, for all his inability to up his win %, played a massive part in that change. We can criticise recruitment but, with the exception of probably exchanging a LB for a striker, what has come in is arguably better than what went out. The players have to take responsibility. After all, how hard is it to pass the ball in a straight line to someone wearing the same colour shirt as you? We aren't winning games because we aren't creating chances nor are we incisive in the final third. I liked possession football. Today we gave the ball away too often and too easily. Sort the final third and we will be fine. Going back to the midweek communication, the board are already looking towards next season. And let's not forget, the head of recruitment is now, rightly, director or football. So incomings can't be all that bad, can they? Last seasons players had a lot more desire and had us in 4th. It’s a bit rich imo to say we’ve brought in better than what went out- it needs to be proved
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:27:53 GMT
It’s collective imo. Players not having the heart combined with a lack of creative subs. You have to give Tisdale time of course, especially with this group of players, but my initial suspicion is that he’s yesterday’s man in terms of ideas and there were elements of that in his handling of the game. How many years out of date do you suspect he is? Sadly light years based on today’s game management. Mk dons and Exeter fans warned us as much so this isn’t anything new.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:28:31 GMT
Comments about setting for a draw not encouraging and very poor use of substitutes today. Very early days but a 3 out of 10 start for his selection and game management from me.
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 21, 2020 18:30:59 GMT
we've never replaced Yates as defensive coach and Tilson is a must for me Graham Coughlan?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2020 18:33:58 GMT
How many years out of date do you suspect he is? Sadly light years based on today’s game management. Mk dons and Exeter fans warned us as much so this isn’t anything new. Did you not like the change to a diamond and flat back four, start of second half?
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Post by gregsy on Nov 21, 2020 18:34:06 GMT
Just looking at the form table, the bottom 4 clubs (us, shrews, wigan, Burton) have managed just 6 points between them over their last 5 games....
Collectively that's 6 points from a possible 60.... That's shocking....
Surely we won't go down in a division that looks so pathetically weak at the bottom....
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Post by yetigas on Nov 21, 2020 18:35:52 GMT
My point was made in my original post. Whilst I agree with your evaluation on today's match, the new manager bounce didn't happen with BG either. But back then, what continued was the boll0x excuses were employed, so at least we didn't have that today in post match comments. A small progress. What was positive, was the formation change that had a positive effect. I honestly thought we were unlucky to lose today because the free kick was given the wrong way, but hey whom in their right mind would blame the officials for a defeat... ? 🤔 I am not comparing Tisdale to BG - but to be honest I wasn't impressed by his post match interview. If he was willing to settle for a point against a very poor Swindon team then I am worried. I am not particularly concerned that the tactics didn't seem to work (though as others have said I was puzzled that neither Oztumer nor Westbrook started) - but what did worry me is that there seemed to be a lack of energy and confidence. How many times we gave the ball away when in good positions - not always the fault of the person with the ball - the off-ball movement was generally poor - hence my comment about lack of energy since that is not so much a coaching issue as a motivational one.
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Post by rovers69 on Nov 21, 2020 18:38:37 GMT
PT will take the Gas down-odds on certanity-Post Match Interview was pathetic. Great cap though
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2020 18:42:44 GMT
My point was made in my original post. Whilst I agree with your evaluation on today's match, the new manager bounce didn't happen with BG either. But back then, what continued was the boll0x excuses were employed, so at least we didn't have that today in post match comments. A small progress. What was positive, was the formation change that had a positive effect. I honestly thought we were unlucky to lose today because the free kick was given the wrong way, but hey whom in their right mind would blame the officials for a defeat... ? 🤔 I am not comparing Tisdale to BG - but to be honest I wasn't impressed by his post match interview. If he was willing to settle for a point against a very poor Swindon team then I am worried. I am not particularly concerned that the tactics didn't seem to work (though as others have said I was puzzled that neither Oztumer nor Westbrook started) - but what did worry me is that there seemed to be a lack of energy and confidence. How many times we gave the ball away when in good positions - not always the fault of the person with the ball - the off-ball movement was generally poor - hence my comment about lack of energy since that is not so much a coaching issue as a motivational one. Fair enough, that's a decent post and can't really argue with that - nor do I want to. I genuinely thought we were unlucky to lose today and in a scrappy game had much the better performance in second half. A draw would have been a fair result, but Swindle defended better than us and took advantage of our one mistake. That's about it.
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Post by gashead99 on Nov 21, 2020 18:43:56 GMT
Many seem to have overlooked the communication from the top in the week. They weren't unhappy with the changes in the summer - it was part of a fundamental shift in strategy for the club. BG, for all his inability to up his win %, played a massive part in that change. We can criticise recruitment but, with the exception of probably exchanging a LB for a striker, what has come in is arguably better than what went out. The players have to take responsibility. After all, how hard is it to pass the ball in a straight line to someone wearing the same colour shirt as you? We aren't winning games because we aren't creating chances nor are we incisive in the final third. I liked possession football. Today we gave the ball away too often and too easily. Sort the final third and we will be fine. Going back to the midweek communication, the board are already looking towards next season. And let's not forget, the head of recruitment is now, rightly, director or football. So incomings can't be all that bad, can they? Last seasons players had a lot more desire and had us in 4th. It’s a bit rich imo to say we’ve brought in better than what went out- it needs to be proved I've moved on from last season. I've said before, we aren't comparing like with like. I think there is an element of rose tinted glasses with the often quoted 4th. In my opinion, and I repeat my opinion, the football we were playing was never going to sustain that position - something that Ollie also alluded to in the week. Irrespective of comparing the squads, this squad in its' age and coachability, will see us come good in the future.
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 21, 2020 18:44:30 GMT
Just looking at the form table, the bottom 4 clubs (us, shrews, wigan, Burton) have managed just 6 points between them over their last 5 games.... Collectively that's 6 points from a possible 60.... That's shocking.... Surely we won't go down in a division that looks so pathetically weak at the bottom.... Can someone explain to me why our 2 most creative players were left out the starting line up and only 1 featured briefly,I'm totally bemused.
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Post by syg on Nov 21, 2020 18:45:59 GMT
Now I know it's one game in and Garners results were shocking but boy we played some decent stuff this season and today wtf have I just witnessed? I mean it was like going back to the paul tait days when we were at the bottom of league 2! What worries me more is that Tis put out such a negative team and when I saw Baldwin otz and west on the bench well? I'm wondering what will come for us at the final game this season as we are now looking at a relegation crisis Jesus,i stopped using this forum due to the nonsense posted, just thought id pop back on and i see this. Hes been here circa 2 days, thats apprx 48 hrs, hes probably still working out the quickest route to the training ground and left the squad to the coaching staff.
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Post by rovers69 on Nov 21, 2020 18:46:00 GMT
If wecant win against a team that bad then we are in the bottom four at the end of the season
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:46:00 GMT
Sadly light years based on today’s game management. Mk dons and Exeter fans warned us as much so this isn’t anything new. Did you not like the change to a diamond and flat back four, start of second half? What fruit did it produce? A second half goal conceded and a 1-0 defeat
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2020 18:47:52 GMT
Did you not like the change to a diamond and flat back four, start of second half? What fruit did it produce? Today, a seedless grape.. We'll have to wait for a light year to pass before it might work!?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:50:12 GMT
Last seasons players had a lot more desire and had us in 4th. It’s a bit rich imo to say we’ve brought in better than what went out- it needs to be proved I've moved on from last season. I've said before, we aren't comparing like with like. I think there is an element of rose tinted glasses with the often quoted 4th. In my opinion, and I repeat my opinion, the football we were playing was never going to sustain that position - something that Ollie also alluded to in the week. Irrespective of comparing the squads, this squad in its' age and coachability, will see us come good in the future. Well we’re talking unquantifiable stuff there aren’t we? I had no love for Coughlan the man or his playing style. But even I had to concede that you don’t reach 4th at Christmas by accident. The only thing we know for sure is that what Coughlan built BG dismantled in the name of sexy football which didn’t happen. This team now need to prove that they are winners like Coughlan’s team was. It’s not going well so far.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2020 18:51:08 GMT
Perhaps there's a reason PT's been out of work for a year? I'm finding it a bit odd he's happy to work with BG's backroom staff, it sounds to me he was just desperate to take any job he was offered.
I also can't get my head around TW being rewarded with a promotion to DOF when he must surely be the main person reasonable for putting together such an unbalanced squad. I doubt many L1 sides only had one recognised striker, an inexperienced one at that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:53:44 GMT
What fruit did it produce? Today, a seedless grape.. We'll have to wait for a light year to pass before it might work!? Hopefully not, but what is worrying is how Exeter and MK Dons fans would not have been surprised by today’s performance. They said some quite contradictory stuff about what the media seem to believe are Tisdale’s qualities. Ah well, it is what it is isn’t it? We have to hope the guy can pull one out of the bag and keep us up, starting at Wigan on Tuesday. A season of survival looms.
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