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Post by theduke on Dec 3, 2020 19:37:25 GMT
Westbrooke goes.
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Post by CrispPusher on Dec 3, 2020 19:54:36 GMT
Realistically I would terminate all the loan contracts if possible, except for maybe McCormick, pay up Leahy and Barrett then get Starnes to try and convince his Plymouth to take Grant.
I'd definitely recall Ogogo and bring in a centre forward, when Davies returns and gets back to full fitness I'd also give him the captain's armband; Alfie always looked assured alongside him in Tony's absence last season.
Obviously would love to get rid of the cloggers such as Baldwin (why do we keep signing Peterborough rejects?) but that's not happening. As for the rest, I'd make bringing in attacking and defensive coaches (Tillson & Cureton?) a priority and get rid of Garner's Mesure whilst dropping one or two down to the Development squad for now.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Dec 3, 2020 22:58:44 GMT
Probably Kelly as he doesn’t seem to get a look in. JML has disappeared is he injured? If so return him. I know many of you wanted Westbrooke gone. I want him back in the starting eleven ASAP with our other creative players. Now that McCormick is injured maybe he will get a run. I’d like to sign McCormick and Ozzy if and when their contracts are up (this summer?). I want to see Barrett in the team before I say get rid. Looked for the ball a lot at Wigan and scored in the u23s last night. Feel sorry for Hargreaves right now as he doesn’t seem to be favoured after showing so much heart and maybe we need some of our local grit!
Going to have a think about this a bit longer and come back to you, cuz it’s only Kelly I have picked really and that is purely down to lack of opportunities for the lad
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Post by GasAttacK on Dec 3, 2020 22:59:20 GMT
Including loans I think Garner signed 17 players:
Harries - Useless Barrett - Never Fit Daly - Promising Baldwin - Useless Ehmer - Disappointing Tutonda - Defensively Poor Koiki - Unsure Liddle - Unsure Grant - Disappoinnting Westbrooke - Abysmal McCormick - Promising Mitchell-Lawson - Disappointing Oztumer - Unsure Jones - Unsure Nicholson - Very Good Hanlan - Decent Ayunga - Unsure
In my opinion Nicholson is the only one of Garner's signings that would get in most other league one sides.
I like Daly and McCormick. Hanlan is a bit of a rough diamond but I'd keep him. Haven't really seen enough of Liddle, Koike, Oztumer, Jones and Ayunga.
Wouldn't be sorry to see any of the other 8 leave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 23:00:33 GMT
Funny I thought these guys were the dog's in the summer? You lot are weird.
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Post by scottleroc on Dec 4, 2020 0:02:32 GMT
I have to say that everyone, myself included, were convinced we were bringing in quality and massively improving what we had. I’ve been most disappointed with the two who I thought would be our two best, Ehmer and Westbrooke. There must be players in there somewhere. Couple of thoughts, would Kelly be better as a left back to tighten things up rather than let him go? I think JML may as well go back, Harries could go out on loan, i like Liitts but he seems injury prone and past his peak, McCormick seems OK but I think Hargreaves or Mehew might as well do that job (develop our own), Barrett out on loan to Lge 2 team if we can’t get him fit and in the team. On the whole difficult to move players around. I really don’t get the bring Ogogo back thought process, he was OK but a bit slow and wouldn’t say he is the leader we need either. Upson could go too without creating much of an issue. I also think JVS is so poor we might as well let him go and bring in an older keeper as back up. Having said all of this I don’t think there will be much movement in January, perhaps just a couple in and out. I fear for the future unfortunately.
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 4, 2020 1:15:27 GMT
I don't fear at all for the future. I fear for NOW! I think most of the players signed will prove to be good players but it is all about getting the balance right. We need to be better at attacking and then the defenders will get confidence. I think Baldwin and Ehmer are good players most of the time and make few errors but the ones they do make are all being punished at present. I have seen things I like from nearly all of our players at times but there is no consistency which is often the case with young players. The disaster is having to play them together and unfortunately the experienced pros left from last season like the ones we got rid of are not good enough or always injured.
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Post by Congas on Dec 4, 2020 6:43:42 GMT
Noticed Tommy Widdrington is on having a gas tonight on Radio Bristol The man with the jerky knees
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Post by bluebiro on Dec 4, 2020 11:25:24 GMT
Grant asap unless massive improvement this month.shows as much enthusiasm as a goldfish swimming in the desert
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Post by eastgas on Dec 4, 2020 13:55:48 GMT
I don't fear at all for the future. I fear for NOW! I think most of the players signed will prove to be good players but it is all about getting the balance right. We need to be better at attacking and then the defenders will get confidence. I think Baldwin and Ehmer are good players most of the time and make few errors but the ones they do make are all being punished at present. I have seen things I like from nearly all of our players at times but there is no consistency which is often the case with young players. The disaster is having to play them together and unfortunately the experienced pros left from last season like the ones we got rid of are not good enough or always injured. I think this sums up my thoughts and feelings perfectly also.
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Post by eastgas on Dec 4, 2020 13:59:15 GMT
Grant asap unless massive improvement this month.shows as much enthusiasm as a goldfish swimming in the desert The grant one is a tough one. From what I understand he has played the vast majority of his career to date as a central defender. It is asking a lot for him to play at a high standard regularly while he is learning on the job a relatively new and important position on the pitch. IMO based on what I’ve seen from him he undoubtedly has some talent and his grounding in the game should stand him in good stead in the future. Clarke-salter didn’t pull up any trees while with us but has now progressed and playing a higher standard of football than us. I can very much see grant doing the same.
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 4, 2020 14:11:39 GMT
Grant asap unless massive improvement this month.shows as much enthusiasm as a goldfish swimming in the desert The grant one is a tough one. From what I understand he has played the vast majority of his career to date as a central defender. It is asking a lot for him to play at a high standard regularly while he is learning on the job a relatively new and important position on the pitch. IMO based on what I’ve seen from him he undoubtedly has some talent and his grounding in the game should stand him in good stead in the future. Clarke-salter didn’t pull up any trees while with us but has now progressed and playing a higher standard of football than us. I can very much see grant doing the same. While that's not a problem if an individual is currently struggling having never had any minutes at that level when we have Grant, Liddle, McCormick, Daly, Hargreaves, Ayunga, Tutonda, Harries, Barrett and Koiki all with very little experience at this level.
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Post by markczgas on Dec 4, 2020 22:31:01 GMT
Grant asap unless massive improvement this month.shows as much enthusiasm as a goldfish swimming in the desert Do the other 10 players show more enthusiasm than him ? If so, can you explain in what way/how they are doing this ?
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Post by markczgas on Dec 4, 2020 22:33:21 GMT
The grant one is a tough one. From what I understand he has played the vast majority of his career to date as a central defender. It is asking a lot for him to play at a high standard regularly while he is learning on the job a relatively new and important position on the pitch. IMO based on what I’ve seen from him he undoubtedly has some talent and his grounding in the game should stand him in good stead in the future. Clarke-salter didn’t pull up any trees while with us but has now progressed and playing a higher standard of football than us. I can very much see grant doing the same. While that's not a problem if an individual is currently struggling having never had any minutes at that level when we have Grant, Liddle, McCormick, Daly, Hargreaves, Ayunga, Tutonda, Harries, Barrett and Koiki all with very little experience at this level. only 2 of those started on Wed.
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Post by markczgas on Dec 4, 2020 22:42:56 GMT
Isn't the defence the big problem with the squad ? If we had better defenders we would concede far fewer goals and we would probably be in every game even against the better teams!?
Baldwin and Harries have too many mistakes in them. Ehmer is average. Leahy was described last season by most of you as the weak link defensively. I honestly think Tutonda has been the best in that position this season (she injured now ?) .Tis has to wheel and deal and get a couple out in Jan and get a taller physical presence in the centre - a Bolger -type player. Ehmer or Kilgour could partner him no problem in my view. Hare is not solid enough at RB - neither tackling nor defending, his general passing is poor too - just hope Little will be back soon to take over from him. The midfield and attack (when all players are fit is easily mid table or better).
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 5, 2020 10:51:59 GMT
While that's not a problem if an individual is currently struggling having never had any minutes at that level when we have Grant, Liddle, McCormick, Daly, Hargreaves, Ayunga, Tutonda, Harries, Barrett and Koiki all with very little experience at this level. only 2 of those started on Wed. Yes. We’re absolutely only looking at Tuesday as the only example of why we’ve been failing this season.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 5, 2020 19:57:05 GMT
Mmm! Perhaps a little humble pie to be eaten tonight. But the truth is after Wednesday it was a bad time to be too critical and after tonight it’s probably best not to think we’re that good. No big clear out needed in January just a few tweaks under an experienced manager and give him time to decide who’s needed and not needed in readiness for the Summer. UTG!
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Post by markczgas on Dec 5, 2020 20:00:15 GMT
Isn't the defence the big problem with the squad ? If we had better defenders we would concede far fewer goals and we would probably be in every game even against the better teams!? Baldwin and Harries have too many mistakes in them. Ehmer is average. Leahy was described last season by most of you as the weak link defensively. I honestly think Tutonda has been the best in that position this season (she injured now ?) .Tis has to wheel and deal and get a couple out in Jan and get a taller physical presence in the centre - a Bolger -type player. Ehmer or Kilgour could partner him no problem in my view. Hare is not solid enough at RB - neither tackling nor defending, his general passing is poor too - just hope Little will be back soon to take over from him. The midfield and attack (when all players are fit is easily mid table or better).Can I blow my own trumpet !?
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Post by lisbongas on Dec 5, 2020 20:00:57 GMT
Harries Kelly grant Westbrook Lawson baldwin Would also send otzumer back in jan Just can't see him getting much game time in a 442 if the centre midfield has to stop being a soft centre I think today's game proves otherwise!
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Post by markczgas on Dec 5, 2020 20:08:29 GMT
Harries Kelly grant Westbrook Lawson baldwin Would also send otzumer back in jan Just can't see him getting much game time in a 442 if the centre midfield has to stop being a soft centre I think today's game proves otherwise! Well, can't resist this but he's got a crap name and his biro also produces a load of crap ! sorry mods - forgive me !!
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