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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 21:05:10 GMT
?? Well it seems to me that the group of posters who won’t have a word said against Wael are the same group who were lukewarm about Paul Tisdale from the start and now, after he has been here for only two months, are already calling for his head. If we didn’t know any better we might almost think that Wael wasn’t actually in favour of the appointment. In his last interview with Sam Frost Wael told us that Rovers are in a “grave situation” and if that is truly the case then I would respectfully suggest that this is not the time to be playing silly b*ggers. Who are these posters to whom you refer? Are these posters not all entitled to an opinion? Do you agree with and share the same opinion of everyone you know? Im willing to say not. And after 10 games of mostly inept displays and baffling decisions are they not entitled to say what they feel? What would you suggest is the problem and the answer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 21:12:07 GMT
Unfair this. PT is picking up the pieces of somebody else's mess and it is going to take some time. Sure, I'm not happy with the team selection for the past couple of games but I can (just about) see some logic in going with an defensive approach given we have a paucity of attacking options without Nicholson or Otzumer. The blame for this horror show lies with Widdrington and Ben Garner. I have never in my entire life seen a man more out of his depth than Garner. Under his "stewardship" a losing culture set in at this club and that is going to take some time to eradicate again. As for Widdrington, he's had a huge success with one player, arguably two in Nicholson, but he's escaping a lot of flack for the others. The left back and striker situations, going into this season, is absolutely scandalous. Nonsense. He should have carried out his homework on us before taking the job and walked into it full of ideas, plans, tactics and most important, knowledge of the squad to hit the ground running. Tisdale whilst not having the best squad in L1 still has the ability to pick teams, tactics and formations that can keep us in games and win us games. But his squad selection is baffling, tactical set up stupid, formations that dont suit the players skill set, in game substitutions non sensicle and hes lost 5 league games out of 9. Hes full of excuses and has a complete inability to admit he got it wrong. He tried to insult our intelligence on tuesday by insisting we were good enough to win the game. We got absolutely battered first half and when we did get back into it, we couldnt defend, couldnt and didnt fight back when we did concede and he did nothing to influence the game. What other football manager, when you are losing 1-0, 3-2 or 2-0 subs brings on another defender, takes of a wingback for a CH, doesnt put any other attackers on? The only one ive seen do it is Tisdale. What other football manager plays an out and out CB at RB or RW when you have 2 fit RBs and you sign a 3rd? Only Tisdale. We all questioned McGhee when he was losing games by big margins or without putting up a fight. We wanted his head when he played Tom Parkes at left wing and Adam Virgo up front because we thought he had lost his mind. McGhee also spoke a good game and had a silver tonqued eloquence that sounded like he knew what he was doing and I see absolutely no difference in Tisdale. Hes never cut it at this level, had a 31% win ratio at this level when he took over and its down to 30% now. We need a 36% win ratio just to survive so what do you think Tisdale has now that can keep us up? Wigan, who are playing with kids and non contract players are making a better fight of it and were 12 points adrift of us when we played them! Wael does have a chance to sort this, but he must act now. He needs to get a striker in ASAP, see if Paul Cook will come here until the end of the season to sort it out, and if he will come sack Tisdale. Its the only option for survival I can actually see. Tisdale out. Some sense in that but let’s not forget that Tisdale is hardly blessed with quality attacking options. In some ways I don’t blame him for thinking that, with the current squad, bringing on a defender and re-shuffling is as likely to get a result as an inexperienced forward! We’ve got a squad full of left backs! Honestly, Tisdale himself must be like “wtf” when he looks at the composition of what he inherited. It’s fanciful in the extreme to think that sacking Tisdale will result in anything positive. Absolutely no chance of Paul Cook coming anywhere near the stadium let alone signing. Would you trust the collection of footballing minds on the board to hire someone better than Tisdale? They hired Garner (a colossal mistake on paper let alone in reality) and then doubled down on that by literally getting on the phone to Tisdale when Garner had barely had time to clear his desk. I honestly dread to think who they have got on speed dial if they sack Tisdale. And I dread to think who Widdrington is salivating over as the answer to our striking problems. I suspect Long John Silver is eagerly polishing his only boot and planning to come out of retirement as he has heard Widdrington has got cash on the hip to buy a striker with no pedigree at league level. It’s all so tinpot I could cry.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 23, 2021 21:26:18 GMT
Well it seems to me that the group of posters who won’t have a word said against Wael are the same group who were lukewarm about Paul Tisdale from the start and now, after he has been here for only two months, are already calling for his head. If we didn’t know any better we might almost think that Wael wasn’t actually in favour of the appointment. In his last interview with Sam Frost Wael told us that Rovers are in a “grave situation” and if that is truly the case then I would respectfully suggest that this is not the time to be playing silly b*ggers. Who are these posters to whom you refer? Are these posters not all entitled to an opinion? Do you agree with and share the same opinion of everyone you know? Im willing to say not. And after 10 games of mostly inept displays and baffling decisions are they not entitled to say what they feel? What would you suggest is the problem and the answer? Yes, those posters are most certainly entitled to express their opinion. My query is about the coincidence of posters who seem to have been lukewarm about Paul Tisdale from the start being basically the same group as those who will not have a word said against Wael.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 21:33:54 GMT
Nonsense. He should have carried out his homework on us before taking the job and walked into it full of ideas, plans, tactics and most important, knowledge of the squad to hit the ground running. Tisdale whilst not having the best squad in L1 still has the ability to pick teams, tactics and formations that can keep us in games and win us games. But his squad selection is baffling, tactical set up stupid, formations that dont suit the players skill set, in game substitutions non sensicle and hes lost 5 league games out of 9. Hes full of excuses and has a complete inability to admit he got it wrong. He tried to insult our intelligence on tuesday by insisting we were good enough to win the game. We got absolutely battered first half and when we did get back into it, we couldnt defend, couldnt and didnt fight back when we did concede and he did nothing to influence the game. What other football manager, when you are losing 1-0, 3-2 or 2-0 subs brings on another defender, takes of a wingback for a CH, doesnt put any other attackers on? The only one ive seen do it is Tisdale. What other football manager plays an out and out CB at RB or RW when you have 2 fit RBs and you sign a 3rd? Only Tisdale. We all questioned McGhee when he was losing games by big margins or without putting up a fight. We wanted his head when he played Tom Parkes at left wing and Adam Virgo up front because we thought he had lost his mind. McGhee also spoke a good game and had a silver tonqued eloquence that sounded like he knew what he was doing and I see absolutely no difference in Tisdale. Hes never cut it at this level, had a 31% win ratio at this level when he took over and its down to 30% now. We need a 36% win ratio just to survive so what do you think Tisdale has now that can keep us up? Wigan, who are playing with kids and non contract players are making a better fight of it and were 12 points adrift of us when we played them! Wael does have a chance to sort this, but he must act now. He needs to get a striker in ASAP, see if Paul Cook will come here until the end of the season to sort it out, and if he will come sack Tisdale. Its the only option for survival I can actually see. Tisdale out. Some sense in that but let’s not forget that Tisdale is hardly blessed with quality attacking options. In some ways I don’t blame him for thinking that, with the current squad, bringing on a defender and re-shuffling is as likely to get a result as an inexperienced forward! We’ve got a squad full of left backs! Honestly, Tisdale himself must be like “wtf” when he looks at the composition of what he inherited. It’s fanciful in the extreme to think that sacking Tisdale will result in anything positive. Absolutely no chance of Paul Cook coming anywhere near the stadium let alone signing. Would you trust the collection of footballing minds on the board to hire someone better than Tisdale? They hired Garner (a colossal mistake on paper let alone in reality) and then doubled down on that by literally getting on the phone to Tisdale when Garner had barely had time to clear his desk. I honestly dread to think who they have got on speed dial if they sack Tisdale. And I dread to think who Widdrington is salivating over as the answer to our striking problems. I suspect Long John Silver is eagerly polishing his only boot and planning to come out of retirement as he has heard Widdrington has got cash on the hip to buy a striker with no pedigree at league level. It’s all so tinpot I could cry. Tisdale still has 11 players that he can play in position. Even if it was 442 or 433 or 352. His cardinal sins is playing Ehmer at RB, being too defensive in the middle, and not playing to the strengths of what he does have. Its one thing saying he doesnt have the tools at his disposal but hes making it worse by not utilising what he does have.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 21:41:11 GMT
Who are these posters to whom you refer? Are these posters not all entitled to an opinion? Do you agree with and share the same opinion of everyone you know? Im willing to say not. And after 10 games of mostly inept displays and baffling decisions are they not entitled to say what they feel? What would you suggest is the problem and the answer? Yes, those posters are most certainly entitled to express their opinion. My query is about the coincidence of posters who seem to have been lukewarm about Paul Tisdale from the start being basically the same group as those who will not have a word said against Wael. Because you are probably under the illusion that those people didnt air a difference of opinion to start with, and you likely assumed that they had no freedom to do so. As a result you were blinded by the angels of light that influenced you otherwise. But if you take a look back at some of my posts, as I know you are aiming some of this at me, you can read posts that were as critical of the ownership or the owner as he is now, as I was supportive. For the record, I dont know any of the directors current thoughts on the situation, particularly Waels.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 23, 2021 21:41:13 GMT
Nonsense. He should have carried out his homework on us before taking the job and walked into it full of ideas, plans, tactics and most important, knowledge of the squad to hit the ground running. Tisdale whilst not having the best squad in L1 still has the ability to pick teams, tactics and formations that can keep us in games and win us games. But his squad selection is baffling, tactical set up stupid, formations that dont suit the players skill set, in game substitutions non sensicle and hes lost 5 league games out of 9. Hes full of excuses and has a complete inability to admit he got it wrong. He tried to insult our intelligence on tuesday by insisting we were good enough to win the game. We got absolutely battered first half and when we did get back into it, we couldnt defend, couldnt and didnt fight back when we did concede and he did nothing to influence the game. What other football manager, when you are losing 1-0, 3-2 or 2-0 subs brings on another defender, takes of a wingback for a CH, doesnt put any other attackers on? The only one ive seen do it is Tisdale. What other football manager plays an out and out CB at RB or RW when you have 2 fit RBs and you sign a 3rd? Only Tisdale. We all questioned McGhee when he was losing games by big margins or without putting up a fight. We wanted his head when he played Tom Parkes at left wing and Adam Virgo up front because we thought he had lost his mind. McGhee also spoke a good game and had a silver tonqued eloquence that sounded like he knew what he was doing and I see absolutely no difference in Tisdale. Hes never cut it at this level, had a 31% win ratio at this level when he took over and its down to 30% now. We need a 36% win ratio just to survive so what do you think Tisdale has now that can keep us up? Wigan, who are playing with kids and non contract players are making a better fight of it and were 12 points adrift of us when we played them! Wael does have a chance to sort this, but he must act now. He needs to get a striker in ASAP, see if Paul Cook will come here until the end of the season to sort it out, and if he will come sack Tisdale. Its the only option for survival I can actually see. Tisdale out. Has Paul Tisdale done something to upset Wael ? Look who's back!
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 23, 2021 21:43:30 GMT
Michael Duff that's who we should have gone for
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 23, 2021 21:44:49 GMT
Strengths? Do we actually have any?
Ehmer's only playing RB as there's none in the club, he's signed Williams but if he'd started today and got torn apart, then we'd all be asking why he was picked when he was only signed this week and hasn't had time to take part in a full training session.
Can anybody explain why TW was promoted to DoF following BG's departure, after he had assisted him in putting together one of the mot unbalanced squads most of us have ever seen?
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Post by thegasman on Jan 23, 2021 21:52:32 GMT
Hargreaves and Manse, look back at what they achieved when in temporary charge.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 23, 2021 21:53:12 GMT
Yes, those posters are most certainly entitled to express their opinion. My query is about the coincidence of posters who seem to have been lukewarm about Paul Tisdale from the start being basically the same group as those who will not have a word said against Wael. Because you are probably under the illusion that those people didnt air a difference of opinion to start with, and you likely assumed that they had no freedom to do so. As a result you were blinded by the angels of light that influenced you otherwise. But if you take a look back at some of my posts, as I know you are aiming some of this at me, you can read posts that were as critical of the ownership or the owner as he is now, as I was supportive. For the record, I dont know any of the directors current thoughts on the situation, particularly Waels. If you do not know Wael’s or the other directors thoughts on the managerial situation, and therefore they could not possibly be influencing you, then I apologize for suggesting that might be the case. For the record, as you know, I believe that in his ownership of Rovers Wael has made one unnecessary mistake after another and in bringing up this possibility I was purely trying to help prevent another mistake being made.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 21:59:47 GMT
Strengths? Do we actually have any? Ehmer's only playing RB as there's none in the club, he's signed Williams but if he'd started today and got torn apart, then we'd all be asking why he was picked when he was only signed this week and hasn't had time to take part in a full training session. Can anybody explain why TW was promoted to DoF following BG's departure, after he had assisted him in putting together one of the mot unbalanced squads most of us have ever seen? No RBs in the club? Hare and Little are RBs and he signed Williams as well...that makes 3 in total.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 22:03:05 GMT
Michael Duff that's who we should have gone for Haven’t we had enough duff appointments?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 22:05:20 GMT
Michael Duff that's who we should have gone for He was my choice, although it’s easy to say “we should have got so and so”, look at Coughlan for an example of how a manager at the top of his game can fail elsewhere. I do think it’s seriously poor form that we didn’t perform any due diligence after getting rid of Garner though. That’s the cardinal sin, for me. It was like they had heard of Tisdale’s media reputation and just picked up the phone without conducting any sort of root and branch review of the failings that lead to Garner’s reign. Hmm...in fact writing this out I wonder if they were so seduced by Widdrington that they never stopped to question the strategy and just believed it was all the manager’s fault (as Widdrington seemed to suggest in his interview where he backed the recruitment). Either way Wael and Starnes should have taken stock of the situation and looked around at the likes of Duff, but no, they had Tisdale on speed dial and hearing from MK Dons and Exeter fans has confirmed that a lot of Tisdale’s reputation is based on very little actual research. I feel we’ve made the same mistake twice.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 23, 2021 22:10:50 GMT
I would get Coughlin back. No thanks the blokes an arrogant tosser, who did a crap job at Mansfield, also his wife won’t let him stray far from Sheffield.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 23, 2021 22:10:56 GMT
Strengths? Do we actually have any? Ehmer's only playing RB as there's none in the club, he's signed Williams but if he'd started today and got torn apart, then we'd all be asking why he was picked when he was only signed this week and hasn't had time to take part in a full training session. Can anybody explain why TW was promoted to DoF following BG's departure, after he had assisted him in putting together one of the mot unbalanced squads most of us have ever seen? No RBs in the club? Hare and Little are RBs and he signed Williams as well...that makes 3 in total. I thought Hare was injured plus he's seriously out of form, Little seems to have been injured from the day he signed, he's not managed a decent run of games for years, he was one of GC's (I think?) rare poor signings.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 22:14:03 GMT
Because you are probably under the illusion that those people didnt air a difference of opinion to start with, and you likely assumed that they had no freedom to do so. As a result you were blinded by the angels of light that influenced you otherwise. But if you take a look back at some of my posts, as I know you are aiming some of this at me, you can read posts that were as critical of the ownership or the owner as he is now, as I was supportive. For the record, I dont know any of the directors current thoughts on the situation, particularly Waels. If you do not know Wael’s or the other directors thoughts on the managerial situation, and therefore they could not possibly be influencing you, then I apologize for suggesting that might be the case. For the record, as you know, I believe that in his ownership of Rovers Wael has made one unnecessary mistake after another and in bringing up this possibility I was purely trying to help prevent another mistake being made. I havent spoken to any of the directors for some months, mainly, because we havent been at games! There is no way they can influence me as I am far to opinionated by nature to be soft soaped or coerced any differently. Also, they cant offer me anything to align my opinion with them for any benefit to myself. I have always been accused of being "waels mouthpiece". If you or anyone else thought i was being fed information to be posted on here by the owner or any of the directors then you are very much mistaken. So right from the beginning your assumption was flawed.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 22:16:17 GMT
No RBs in the club? Hare and Little are RBs and he signed Williams as well...that makes 3 in total. I thought Hare was injured plus he's seriously out of form, Little seems to have been injured from the day he signed, he's not managed a decent run of games for years, he was one of GC's (I think?) rare poor signings. You are correct about Hare for today and the game at Crewe but largely hes been available for selection. Little is fit for selection and so was Williams.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 23, 2021 22:19:42 GMT
Michael Duff that's who we should have gone for He was my choice, although it’s easy to say “we should have got so and so”, look at Coughlan for an example of how a manager at the top of his game can fail elsewhere. I do think it’s seriously poor form that we didn’t perform any due diligence after getting rid of Garner though. That’s the cardinal sin, for me. It was like they had heard of Tisdale’s media reputation and just picked up the phone without conducting any sort of root and branch review of the failings that lead to Garner’s reign. Hmm...in fact writing this out I wonder if they were so seduced by Widdrington that they never stopped to question the strategy and just believed it was all the manager’s fault (as Widdrington seemed to suggest in his interview where he backed the recruitment). Either way Wael and Starnes should have taken stock of the situation and looked around at the likes of Duff, but no, they had Tisdale on speed dial and hearing from MK Dons and Exeter fans has confirmed that a lot of Tisdale’s reputation is based on very little actual research. I feel we’ve made the same mistake twice. So when did Wael or Starnes tell you all this, or have you just made it all up and you haven't really a clue what actually happened after BG departed?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 23, 2021 22:21:39 GMT
I thought Hare was injured plus he's seriously out of form, Little seems to have been injured from the day he signed, he's not managed a decent run of games for years, he was one of GC's (I think?) rare poor signings. You are correct about Hare for today and the game at Crewe but largely hes been available for selection. Little is fit for selection and so was Williams. PT's probably too frightened to play Little in case he breaks down again, in the hope that he can offload him this week.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 22:28:55 GMT
You are correct about Hare for today and the game at Crewe but largely hes been available for selection. Little is fit for selection and so was Williams. PT's probably too frightened to play Little in case he breaks down again, in the hope that he can offload him this week. Hare was immense the first 25 games of last season until he did his knee in and was getting rave reviews. Form is temporary. But if you are in and out of a team you become a higher risk for muscle pulls/tears and niggles.
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