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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2021 10:50:06 GMT
Most were not available though. There is quite literally no excuse to play max Ehmer at wing back and Baldwin in centre midfield. He had options for round pegs in round holes here and chose to have SIX yes thats SIX defenders on the pitch when 1-0 down and chasing a goal. Yea he is short in the attacking areas but there are options available who would be better than playing it how he did Totally agree with that, I’d rather lose 4-0, trying to be expansive, than try and be defensive, but constantly leaking goals! It’s absolutely sh**e to watch, and doing nothing for the players, playing them out of position.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jan 26, 2021 10:52:45 GMT
There is quite literally no excuse to play max Ehmer at wing back and Baldwin in centre midfield. He had options for round pegs in round holes here and chose to have SIX yes thats SIX defenders on the pitch when 1-0 down and chasing a goal. Yea he is short in the attacking areas but there are options available who would be better than playing it how he did Ehmer had done better than Little and Hare recently though. Don’t think he wanted to start the new right back, as he didn’t know the squad yet. Agree with Baldwin. Think he must have been hoping to get a goal from a set piece 😂. To be fair our two best chances came playing that way. Still think we wouldn’t have done that with Upson in midfield and with key player’s further forward. Whilst I don’t particularly like to see square pegs in round holes maybe Tis has drawn up a list of 21 current squad players (leaving one spot vacant for an acquisition of some forward capacity) and is selecting from that list of 21 rather than pick players that are in his opinion surplus to that 21. It may look like cutting off your nose to spite your face but if he is going to have to do without them from Feb 1st, whether or not they are fixed up with deals elsewhere, then he might as well try to do without them on January 23rd.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 10:55:44 GMT
Ehmer had done better than Little and Hare recently though. Don’t think he wanted to start the new right back, as he didn’t know the squad yet. Agree with Baldwin. Think he must have been hoping to get a goal from a set piece 😂. To be fair our two best chances came playing that way. Still think we wouldn’t have done that with Upson in midfield and with key player’s further forward. Whilst I don’t particularly like to see square pegs in round holes maybe Tis has drawn up a list of 21 current squad players (leaving one spot vacant for an acquisition of some forward capacity) and is selecting from that list of 21 rather than pick players that are in his opinion surplus to that 21. It may look like cutting off your nose to spite your face but if he is going to have to do without them from Feb 1st, whether or not they are fixed up with deals elsewhere, then he might as well try to do without them on January 23rd. I can see your point but I’m afraid that I must disagree. The aim of the game is to win as many points as possible as quickly as possible. If you’ve got a round peg to go into a round hole then you play it. The peg might be crap but it’s better than a square one
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jan 26, 2021 11:03:02 GMT
Whilst I don’t particularly like to see square pegs in round holes maybe Tis has drawn up a list of 21 current squad players (leaving one spot vacant for an acquisition of some forward capacity) and is selecting from that list of 21 rather than pick players that are in his opinion surplus to that 21. It may look like cutting off your nose to spite your face but if he is going to have to do without them from Feb 1st, whether or not they are fixed up with deals elsewhere, then he might as well try to do without them on January 23rd. I can see your point but I’m afraid that I must disagree. The aim of the game is to win as many points as possible as quickly as possible. If you’ve got a round peg to go into a round hole then you play it. The peg might be crap but it’s better than a square one I wouldn’t have done it either! Just putting forward a scenario where our manager might have justified his contrary opinion to the rest of us.
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Post by thegasman on Jan 26, 2021 11:22:52 GMT
Ehmer had done better than Little and Hare recently though. Don’t think he wanted to start the new right back, as he didn’t know the squad yet. Agree with Baldwin. Think he must have been hoping to get a goal from a set piece 😂. To be fair our two best chances came playing that way. Still think we wouldn’t have done that with Upson in midfield and with key player’s further forward. Whilst I don’t particularly like to see square pegs in round holes maybe Tis has drawn up a list of 21 current squad players (leaving one spot vacant for an acquisition of some forward capacity) and is selecting from that list of 21 rather than pick players that are in his opinion surplus to that 21. It may look like cutting off your nose to spite your face but if he is going to have to do without them from Feb 1st, whether or not they are fixed up with deals elsewhere, then he might as well try to do without them on January 23rd. I also have to disagree, players certainly get used to playing a set position in their careers. There is nothing to say they can't change or be changed, but to "firefight" doesn't really cut it. It certainly says something, when the opposition manager calls the formation "peculiar": Karl Robinson: "They played a very peculiar system with a back five, a diamond and then one (up front)."
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 11:27:44 GMT
Whilst I don’t particularly like to see square pegs in round holes maybe Tis has drawn up a list of 21 current squad players (leaving one spot vacant for an acquisition of some forward capacity) and is selecting from that list of 21 rather than pick players that are in his opinion surplus to that 21. It may look like cutting off your nose to spite your face but if he is going to have to do without them from Feb 1st, whether or not they are fixed up with deals elsewhere, then he might as well try to do without them on January 23rd. I also have to disagree, players certainly get used to playing a set position in their careers. There is nothing to say they can't change or be changed, but to "firefight" doesn't really cut it. It certainly says something, when the opposition manager calls the formation "peculiar": Karl Robinson: "They played a very peculiar system with a back five, a diamond and then one (up front)." Then went on to say: “It’s hard to cope with, because when you want to be aggressive against their back three and wing-backs, you then get flooded in the middle of the pitch. “We had to make sure the pivot of their diamond didn’t control the game.” So if our Pivot had controlled the game it would have been genius Sadly they didn't - BTW it was Grant with that responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 11:29:19 GMT
Whilst I don’t particularly like to see square pegs in round holes maybe Tis has drawn up a list of 21 current squad players (leaving one spot vacant for an acquisition of some forward capacity) and is selecting from that list of 21 rather than pick players that are in his opinion surplus to that 21. It may look like cutting off your nose to spite your face but if he is going to have to do without them from Feb 1st, whether or not they are fixed up with deals elsewhere, then he might as well try to do without them on January 23rd. I also have to disagree, players certainly get used to playing a set position in their careers. There is nothing to say they can't change or be changed, but to "firefight" doesn't really cut it. It certainly says something, when the opposition manager calls the formation "peculiar": Karl Robinson: "They played a very peculiar system with a back five, a diamond and then one (up front)." But you forget to say how he praised PT for causing them problems with the line up and the booking of Leahy assisted them in allowing them to swop wingers and play the speedy one against Leahy. He also said he fully expected us to make some signings in this window and felt Tisdale will succeed.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 26, 2021 11:37:14 GMT
I have to Agree with Ash here. The cardinal sin in football is playing players out of position on a regular basis.
I can accept Ehmer at RB if injuries meant no one else could play there. But when you have 2 fit RBs and a RWB at your disposal, its nothing short of lunacy to continue to hash it. The same is true when he subbed off Hare, brought on Harries and push Baldwin to RB. Pointless.
Currently we are right in the proverbial. Whatever the identity or formula we want to create or apply needs to be replaced right now with basic football. Kick it, Head it, Pass it and Cross it with players playing their positions which show their stregnths at each of those qualities. The we can move on from there.
Because at the moment we have a kick it and head it CB playing at RW when he cant cross or short pass quick enough when there are more capable players available.
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Post by Icegas on Jan 26, 2021 12:05:41 GMT
Hearts are a much bigger club with us, with a bigger budget. Sure they're in the Championship this season but there is no comparison to be had with us. No they are not a "much" bigger club than us.They are bigger agreed, but that's only because they are after the two Glasgow sides one of the bigger clubs in scotland but they are not much bigger than us.There crowds are not that much greater than ours in a decent stadium, and the wages they would be able to offer would only be slightly higher than clubs in L1 could offer.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 12:14:11 GMT
The square peg round hole is deffo an interesting one for sure. There is one thing I would like to see before writing off Ehmer's alternative positions before we close the door on it all. I would like to see Ehmer as CDM (instead of putting Baldwin there). Ehmer is tough to get the ball off and can play decent enough short passes. Has the experience on his side and is decent in the air. Just did a little side by side of stats and take them with a pinch of salt due to Ehmer playing in a totally different position to Grant but it certainly seems feasible, especially if he can play RB and RWB (albeit not spectacularly) Player | Mins | Matches | UnT | UnT pM | Dis | Dis pM | Passes | AccLB | InAccLB | AccLB% | AccSP | InAccSP | AccSP% | Tack | Tack pM | Max Ehmer | 1800 | 20 | 5 | 0.3 | 3 | 0.2 | 745 | 46 | 84 | 35% | 519 | 96 | 84% | 24 | 1.2 | Josh Grant | 1710 | 19 | 31 | 1.6 | 19 | 1.0 | 617 | 19 | 25 | 43% | 446 | 127 | 78% | 35 | 1.8 |
pM = per match UnT = Unsuccessful Touches Dis = Dispossessed AccLB = accurate long ball InAccLb = inaccurate long ball AccSP = accurate short pass InAccSP = inaccurate short pass Tack = Tackling If we have to play someone out of position then he'd be my pick . | . | Day | . | . | Williams | Kilgour | . | Baldwin | Leahy | . | . | Ehmer | . | . | . | Westbrooke | . | McCormick | . | . | . | Barrett | . | . | . | Hanlan | . | Ayunga | . |
More than experienced defense and a very youthful attack with a target man for the long balls
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 26, 2021 12:40:29 GMT
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 26, 2021 12:42:25 GMT
Only under 21s don’t count and we have too many player’s at the moment. We need to get more off the books or they can’t play anyway.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 26, 2021 12:47:29 GMT
Hearts are a much bigger club with us, with a bigger budget. Sure they're in the Championship this season but there is no comparison to be had with us. No they are not a "much" bigger club than us.They are bigger agreed, but that's only because they are after the two Glasgow sides one of the bigger clubs in scotland but they are not much bigger than us.There crowds are not that much greater than ours in a decent stadium, and the wages they would be able to offer would only be slightly higher than clubs in L1 could offer. Regarding their crowds, their ten year average of 15,560 would equate to our largest attendance since 1977, our average attendance over that ten year period is 47% that of Hearts. That average has Tynecastle 78% full compared to the Mem being 59% full during the same period. Hearts have won 16 major honours and have had 22 campaigns in Europe, Rovers have had zero of both. Edinburgh has a population of 482,005 (as of 2011) compared to Bristol's population of 467,099 (as of 2019). That means on average 3% of the population of Edinburgh attend Hearts games, we have 1.5% of the population of Bristol attend ours. According to Salary Sports in 2020 (you can take this with a pinch of salt) Hearts yearly salary was just over £4,000,000 compared to £3,200,000 for Rovers on the same website.
Bar all of that, you might be onto something.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 12:52:45 GMT
Only under 21s don’t count and we have too many player’s at the moment. We need to get more off the books or they can’t play anyway. So... squad size I think I make it: 7 out on loan (KBen, TDav, MKel, LTom, TMeh, KPhil, AAnd) 7 youngsters (LArm, JDal, JGra, CHar, AKoi, LMcC, ZWal) 1 Home Grown (AKil) 21 Squad players (JAyu, JBal, JBar, JDay, MEhm, BHan, JHar, AJaa, JvS, LLea, BLid, MLit, SNic, AOgo, EOzt, ARod, DTut, EUps, ZWes, GWil) Have I missed anyone? If not then we have a space available
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 26, 2021 13:21:37 GMT
Only under 21s don’t count and we have too many player’s at the moment. We need to get more off the books or they can’t play anyway. So... squad size I think I make it: 7 out on loan (KBen, TDav, MKel, LTom, TMeh, KPhil, AAnd) 7 youngsters (LArm, JDal, JGra, CHar, AKoi, LMcC, ZWal) 1 Home Grown (AKil) 21 Squad players (JAyu, JBal, JBar, JDay, MEhm, BHan, JHar, AJaa, JvS, LLea, BLid, MLit, SNic, AOgo, EOzt, ARod, DTut, EUps, ZWes, GWil) Have I missed anyone? If not then we have a space available I am still confused. Daniel 300380 is saying under 21. In your list you got c. Harries (23) as youndesters but j.barrett and b. Liddle (22) as squad full players. Is it just me ?
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 13:23:31 GMT
So... squad size I think I make it: 7 out on loan (KBen, TDav, MKel, LTom, TMeh, KPhil, AAnd) 7 youngsters (LArm, JDal, JGra, CHar, AKoi, LMcC, ZWal) 1 Home Grown (AKil) 21 Squad players (JAyu, JBal, JBar, JDay, MEhm, BHan, JHar, AJaa, JvS, LLea, BLid, MLit, SNic, AOgo, EOzt, ARod, DTut, EUps, ZWes, GWil) Have I missed anyone? If not then we have a space available I am still confused. Daniel 300380 is saying under 21. In your list you got c. Harries (23) as youndesters but j.barrett and b. Liddle (22) as squad full players. Is it just me ? Thats Cam Hargreaves but does mean that i am forgetting mr Harries though for sure
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 13:27:50 GMT
So I guess i'll amend to:
7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre)
7 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, JGrant, CHargreaves, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker)
1 Home Grown (AKilgour)
21 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams)
Rumours of Tutonda, Hargreaves, Rodman out on loan in this window from fake news twitter accounts...
Ps. I couldnt count... in my original list without C Harries it was only 20
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 26, 2021 13:36:58 GMT
So I guess i'll amend to: 7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre) 7 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, JGrant, CHargreaves, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker) 1 Home Grown (AKilgour) 21 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams) Rumours of Tutonda, Hargreaves, Rodman out on loan in this window from fake news twitter accounts... Ps. I couldnt count... in my original list without C Harries it was only 20 Hargreaves and Grant were over the age I think when I looked. Think we had about 24-25 over the age when I did a rough count a few days ago.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 13:44:01 GMT
So I guess i'll amend to: 7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre) 7 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, JGrant, CHargreaves, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker) 1 Home Grown (AKilgour) 21 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams) Rumours of Tutonda, Hargreaves, Rodman out on loan in this window from fake news twitter accounts... Ps. I couldnt count... in my original list without C Harries it was only 20 Hargreaves and Grant were over the age I think when I looked. Think we had about 24-25 over the age when I did a rough count a few days ago. I thought I remembered something about those who turned 22 after a certain time didn't count... can't for the life of me find that now though so you might be right pal, if so... sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 14:05:36 GMT
‘Under 21 Player’ means a Player under the age of 21 as at the 1 January in the year in which the Season concerned commences (e.g. for Season 2020/21, born on or after 1 January 1999). www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-1----general/You are spot on... Grant and Hargreaves born in 1998 - so yeah sh!t lol 7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre) 5 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker) 1 Home Grown (AKilgour) 23 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams, JGrant, CHargreaves)
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