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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 26, 2021 14:20:03 GMT
‘Under 21 Player’ means a Player under the age of 21 as at the 1 January in the year in which the Season concerned commences (e.g. for Season 2020/21, born on or after 1 January 1999). www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-1----general/You are spot on... Grant and Hargreaves born in 1998 - so yeah sh!t lol 7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre) 5 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker) 1 Home Grown (AKilgour) 23 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams, JGrant, CHargreaves) Fair enough I was slightly confused . So we have 23 full squad players ?. Is Kelly confirmed yet and what if Andre comes back from loan stint ?. Basically we need to loan out 4_5 to get a striker in if this assessment is correct ?
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 14:22:54 GMT
‘Under 21 Player’ means a Player under the age of 21 as at the 1 January in the year in which the Season concerned commences (e.g. for Season 2020/21, born on or after 1 January 1999). www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-1----general/You are spot on... Grant and Hargreaves born in 1998 - so yeah sh!t lol 7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre) 5 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker) 1 Home Grown (AKilgour) 23 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams, JGrant, CHargreaves) Fair enough I was slightly confused . So we have 23 full squad players ?. Is Kelly confirmed yet and what if Andre comes back from loan stint ?. Basically we need to loan out 4_5 to get a striker in if this assessment is correct ? Yeah its totally confusing and I'm doing my best to dig out what i think is the current state of play. Kelly has not gone yet no but seems like evening post is confident. You assessment is correct although we could just get one anyway and just say to someone your not able to play but you'll get paid
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 26, 2021 14:47:05 GMT
Fair enough I was slightly confused . So we have 23 full squad players ?. Is Kelly confirmed yet and what if Andre comes back from loan stint ?. Basically we need to loan out 4_5 to get a striker in if this assessment is correct ? Yeah its totally confusing and I'm doing my best to dig out what i think is the current state of play. Kelly has not gone yet no but seems like evening post is confident. You assessment is correct although we could just get one anyway and just say to someone your not able to play but you'll get paid I just checked we have 5 players aged 22 but only McCormick qualifies hargreaves just missed out by weeks. On this basis we need to extend Andre loan and secure Kelly's loan . And maybe pay off one or two for an incoming striker . I think if Kelly and Andre signs we could just do it .
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 14:51:35 GMT
Yeah its totally confusing and I'm doing my best to dig out what i think is the current state of play. Kelly has not gone yet no but seems like evening post is confident. You assessment is correct although we could just get one anyway and just say to someone your not able to play but you'll get paid I just checked we have 5 players aged 22 but only McCormick qualifies hargreaves just missed out by weeks. On this basis we need to extend Andre loan and secure Kelly's loan . And maybe pay off one or two for an incoming striker . I think if Kelly and Andre signs we could just do it . Could Hargreaves be home grown rule?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 26, 2021 14:55:19 GMT
‘Under 21 Player’ means a Player under the age of 21 as at the 1 January in the year in which the Season concerned commences (e.g. for Season 2020/21, born on or after 1 January 1999). www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-1----general/You are spot on... Grant and Hargreaves born in 1998 - so yeah sh!t lol 7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre) 5 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker) 1 Home Grown (AKilgour) 23 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams, JGrant, CHargreaves) Think Kilgour still counts to the squad numbers. You have to have a home grown player, but I think that’s a separate rule. I think they still count towards the 22, if over 21. Think that’s what I read, but it was a while ago and it’s confusing😂
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 15:03:42 GMT
Hurts my head! lol.
Not sure how we managed this in the summer registration ?!? Surely some of them must fall into exempt brackets?
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 26, 2021 15:21:28 GMT
‘Under 21 Player’ means a Player under the age of 21 as at the 1 January in the year in which the Season concerned commences (e.g. for Season 2020/21, born on or after 1 January 1999). www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-1----general/You are spot on... Grant and Hargreaves born in 1998 - so yeah sh!t lol 7 out on loan (KBennett, TDavies, MKelly, LTomlinson, TMehew, KPhillips, AAndre) 5 youngsters (LArmstrong, JDaly, AKoiki, LMcCormick, ZWalker) 1 Home Grown (AKilgour) 23 Squad players (JAyunga, JBaldwin, JBarrett, JDay, MEhmer, BHanlan, JHare, CHarries, AJaakkola, JvStopper, LLeahy, BLiddle, MLittle, SNicholson, AOgogo, EOztumer, ARodman, DTutonda, EUpson, ZWestbrooke, GWilliams, JGrant, CHargreaves) Think Kilgour still counts to the squad numbers. You have to have a home grown player, but I think that’s a separate rule. I think they still count towards the 22, if over 21. Think that’s what I read, but it was a while ago and it’s confusing😂 Not sure but read somewhere Alfie been with us since 10. If EFL don't accept this it's always the case they will be inflexible and flexible when it suits .
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 26, 2021 16:06:16 GMT
Hurts my head! lol. Not sure how we managed this in the summer registration ?!? Surely some of them must fall into exempt brackets? Under 21s are exempt (unless they are on loan to us from another club) and 'home grown' is the rule of needing to be registered with a club in England or Wales for at least 36 months before their 18th birthday. Alfie counts as home grown but not because he came through OUR youth setup, he would still count as a home grown player even if he moved to another club.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 26, 2021 16:08:13 GMT
Hurts my head! lol. Not sure how we managed this in the summer registration ?!? Surely some of them must fall into exempt brackets? Under 21s are exempt (unless they are on loan to us from another club) and 'home grown' is the rule of needing to be registered with a club in England or Wales for at least 36 months before their 18th birthday. Alfie counts as home grown but not because he came through OUR youth setup, he would still count as a home grown player even if he moved to another club. Would Hargreaves count?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 26, 2021 16:27:21 GMT
Under 21s are exempt (unless they are on loan to us from another club) and 'home grown' is the rule of needing to be registered with a club in England or Wales for at least 36 months before their 18th birthday. Alfie counts as home grown but not because he came through OUR youth setup, he would still count as a home grown player even if he moved to another club. Would Hargreaves count? If he was born in 1998 then he'll have to be included in the 22 player cap as I understand it. Not sure of his playing history, was he registered with anyone before joining the U23s? If not then he won't be part of the 8 'home grown' subset but I doubt that would be an issue as I suspect many of our players would qualify having been with a club affiliated within England and Wales so we probably meet the criteria anyway. Squad size will be an issue more than the 'home grown' rule. This will be increasingly true in coming season or seasons when the current U21s come of age. This rule will probably mean players are released when they otherwise could have stayed a year or two longer (loans out aside). Squad management will be interesting.
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 26, 2021 16:32:40 GMT
So has signing Day and Williams hampered our chances of signing a striker? From squad size and wage limit perspectives?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 26, 2021 16:45:24 GMT
So has signing Day and Williams hampered our chances of signing a striker? From squad size and wage limit perspectives? We just won’t name some of the player’s in the squad. He will pick his best 22 senior players. The rest will be loaned out or just not play. Next season the squad has to be reduced to 22. Sonsw that are under age, will be old enough then as well. So we will see now going in the summer.
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Post by alanrg on Jan 26, 2021 16:48:28 GMT
The squad size 4 next season is 20
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 26, 2021 16:50:14 GMT
If he was born in 1998 then he'll have to be included in the 22 player cap as I understand it. Not sure of his playing history, was he registered with anyone before joining the U23s? If not then he won't be part of the 8 'home grown' subset but I doubt that would be an issue as I suspect many of our players would qualify having been with a club affiliated within England and Wales so we probably meet the criteria anyway. Squad size will be an issue more than the 'home grown' rule. This will be increasingly true in coming season or seasons when the current U21s come of age. This rule will probably mean players are released when they otherwise could have stayed a year or two longer (loans out aside). Squad management will be interesting. Of the 22 player’s, 8 are supposed to be homegrown player’s. So they still count towards the total.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jan 26, 2021 16:50:46 GMT
I dont think we will sign anyone permanently. Maybe a loan, who knows? But if we dont sign anyone then we will be going down unless they come up with a fantastic idea. Like Koiki or Rodman playing up front. Desperate times indeed, and if we do go down who will want to but any of our players?
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Post by alanrg on Jan 26, 2021 16:51:15 GMT
My apologies squad size 4 2021/2022 is 21 2022/2023 is 20
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 26, 2021 16:54:04 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2021 16:56:29 GMT
I dont think we will sign anyone permanently. Maybe a loan, who knows? But if we dont sign anyone then we will be going down unless they come up with a fantastic idea. Like Koiki or Rodman playing up front. Desperate times indeed, and if we do go down who will want to but any of our players? Do you live your whole life looking at the negatives or just anything Rovers related?
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Post by alanrg on Jan 26, 2021 16:59:28 GMT
Look a football league.com it states 21 squad players 2021/2022 20 squad players 2022/2023
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2021 17:03:00 GMT
Gnanduillet signing for Hearts shows how hard it is for us to bring in a new striker now. Our summer transfer activity has cost us big time and it’s harder than ever to put right. Seen a lot of moaning about the club not bringing in a new striker, but I think most are forgetting the rule changes that happened a few months ago. Now the average new player is going to be on £1700, which is probably less than half than most decent strikers in this league. Unfortunately any good agent, is going to take his player’s to other countries if possible, to get a pay day. Gnanduillet wouldn’t have ended up at Hearts in the past.
We needed to sign another striker in the summer. We could have paid them more then. Garner has done us over big time. Signing 4 left backs and only 3 strikers . It’s not just us who are struggling due to the rule change. Over time, every club will be in the same situation and it will level the playing field. But we had to do our business in the summer, like every other club did. Think we will end up bringing in a loan striker. But Tisdale only likes to sign loan players, if he has to. He signed for a Turkish club in the summer so he's clearly just chasing the £'s so it's hard to know who he would have signed for in the past, although I agree it does seem odd EFL clubs are being out bid by Scottish clubs. I can't really see the wage cap is an issue for us, as most of our players were signed before the budget came into play so if Wael wants to pay decent money in order to sign a top striker there seems nothing stopping him, apart from his own finances. I guess it's stick or twist time for Wael, stick with what we've got and hope Nicko and Ozt return to action soon and then stay fit, or splash out on a JCH type signing in order to try and make sure we stay in L1.
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