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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 26, 2021 17:06:42 GMT
If he was born in 1998 then he'll have to be included in the 22 player cap as I understand it. Not sure of his playing history, was he registered with anyone before joining the U23s? If not then he won't be part of the 8 'home grown' subset but I doubt that would be an issue as I suspect many of our players would qualify having been with a club affiliated within England and Wales so we probably meet the criteria anyway. Squad size will be an issue more than the 'home grown' rule. This will be increasingly true in coming season or seasons when the current U21s come of age. This rule will probably mean players are released when they otherwise could have stayed a year or two longer (loans out aside). Squad management will be interesting. Of the 22 player’s, 8 are supposed to be homegrown player’s. So they still count towards the total. That's right, I used the term 'subset' to try and differentiate within that limit but the overall cap is 22.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2021 17:07:13 GMT
That’s probably why he signed a right back then. He’s obviously not happy with Hare or Little. Hare got taken off when struggling the last time he started. Little is never fit. Mate you can dress it up how you want but Rodman Little Hare All better options at Wing back than a tanker Centre half. Hargreaves or Barrett better options at Centre Mid than Baldwin Why ignore the fact Rodman's being struggling all season, Little's hardly play all season and Hare's been injured recently and was subbed off v Charlton as he was being run ragged. Likewise Hargreaves and Barrett should really join Kelly at Yeovil as they've both done little this season.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 26, 2021 17:08:50 GMT
So what happens about Kelly's wages now gone . Can we write them off or is it pro rota of vwhat Yeovil pay ?. In other words he's on 1500 per week and Yeovil pay 500 per week. Have we still got to account for the remainder ?.
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Post by alanrg on Jan 26, 2021 17:11:02 GMT
Anybody know how many players r out of contract in the summer I would imagine most of them will be released
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2021 17:11:53 GMT
Of the 22 player’s, 8 are supposed to be homegrown player’s. So they still count towards the total. That's right, I used the term 'subset' to try and differentiate within that limit but the overall cap is 22. Does it matter as it'll be 1 out, 1 in, if Kelly's gone that frees up a space, if there's an issue re goalies PT will have to decide between Jaakola & JVC, depending on when Jaakola is due to return to 1st team action. If we need more spaces PT will just have to put players in the stands, I can't see we'd really miss the likes of Little and Barrett if it came to that.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jan 26, 2021 17:15:40 GMT
I dont think we will sign anyone permanently. Maybe a loan, who knows? But if we dont sign anyone then we will be going down unless they come up with a fantastic idea. Like Koiki or Rodman playing up front. Desperate times indeed, and if we do go down who will want to but any of our players? Do you live your whole life looking at the negatives or just anything Rovers related? No, only when I have paid out for a season ticket and watch absolute crap. The players, the manager(s) and the board would be getting a lot of abuse if we had crowds there, and you know it. The good thing is I got rid of the tinted specs when they gave Garner the job. Now tell me the positives about whats going on, I seemed to have missed them Anyway watching a film tonight rather than waste another tenner, and before you ask, its a commedy.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jan 26, 2021 17:18:20 GMT
Do you live your whole life looking at the negatives or just anything Rovers related? No, only when I have paid out for a season ticket and watch absolute crap. The players, the manager(s) and the board would be getting a lot of abuse if we had crowds there, and you know it. The good thing is I got rid of the tinted specs when they gave Garner the job. Now tell me the positives about whats going on, I seemed to have missed them Anyway watching a film tonight rather than waste another tenner, and before you ask, its a commedy. Do you only go matches you expect to win then ?
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Post by lpgas1 on Jan 26, 2021 17:21:03 GMT
Anybody know how many players r out of contract in the summer I would imagine most of them will be released Just the experienced ones. At a guess Upson, Kelly, Rodders, Ogogo, Stoppashot, Jaakola, Little, Hare?, Bennett. Alfie Kilgour could be sold, cant think of anyone else worth the money.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jan 26, 2021 17:25:08 GMT
No, only when I have paid out for a season ticket and watch absolute crap. The players, the manager(s) and the board would be getting a lot of abuse if we had crowds there, and you know it. The good thing is I got rid of the tinted specs when they gave Garner the job. Now tell me the positives about whats going on, I seemed to have missed them Anyway watching a film tonight rather than waste another tenner, and before you ask, its a commedy. Do you only go matches you expect to win then ? Well I dont go to watch them lose. But sitting just above the relegation places, with ONE experienced striker. Please tell me what are all these positives I have missed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 17:26:21 GMT
Mate you can dress it up how you want but Rodman Little Hare All better options at Wing back than a tanker Centre half. Hargreaves or Barrett better options at Centre Mid than Baldwin Why ignore the fact Rodman's being struggling all season, Little's hardly play all season and Hare's been injured recently and was subbed off v Charlton as he was being run ragged. Likewise Hargreaves and Barrett should really join Kelly at Yeovil as they've both done little this season. Because round pegs in round holes and basics give you a better chance than square pegs in round holes trying to be clever
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 26, 2021 17:30:02 GMT
Gnanduillet signing for Hearts shows how hard it is for us to bring in a new striker now. Our summer transfer activity has cost us big time and it’s harder than ever to put right. Seen a lot of moaning about the club not bringing in a new striker, but I think most are forgetting the rule changes that happened a few months ago. Now the average new player is going to be on £1700, which is probably less than half than most decent strikers in this league. Unfortunately any good agent, is going to take his player’s to other countries if possible, to get a pay day. Gnanduillet wouldn’t have ended up at Hearts in the past.
We needed to sign another striker in the summer. We could have paid them more then. Garner has done us over big time. Signing 4 left backs and only 3 strikers . It’s not just us who are struggling due to the rule change. Over time, every club will be in the same situation and it will level the playing field. But we had to do our business in the summer, like every other club did. Think we will end up bringing in a loan striker. But Tisdale only likes to sign loan players, if he has to. He signed for a Turkish club in the summer so he's clearly just chasing the £'s so it's hard to know who he would have signed for in the past, although I agree it does seem odd EFL clubs are being out bid by Scottish clubs. I can't really see the wage cap is an issue for us, as most of our players were signed before the budget came into play so if Wael wants to pay decent money in order to sign a top striker there seems nothing stopping him, apart from his own finances. I guess it's stick or twist time for Wael, stick with what we've got and hope Nicko and Ozt return to action soon and then stay fit, or splash out on a JCH type signing in order to try and make sure we stay in L1. It’s still an issue for us, if we give a new striker a contract longer than some of those player’s. As when the current players contracts run out, they will either have to sign for less than the average, or go elsewhere. We would struggle to bring in other player’s then. So unless we are planning on giving our a short term deal, it will make a difference. Over time it will even out. But it’s going to effect negotiations now.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jan 26, 2021 17:30:33 GMT
Do you only go matches you expect to win then ? Well I dont go to watch them lose. But sitting just above the relegation places, with ONE experienced striker. Please tell me what are all these positives I have missed?I'm not here to justify your decisions on why you do or do not follow your team. The positives, to me, are that we may win so that is enough for my £10 ifollow or my admission to the ground. If you need guarantees follow Man U
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2021 17:56:57 GMT
He signed for a Turkish club in the summer so he's clearly just chasing the £'s so it's hard to know who he would have signed for in the past, although I agree it does seem odd EFL clubs are being out bid by Scottish clubs. I can't really see the wage cap is an issue for us, as most of our players were signed before the budget came into play so if Wael wants to pay decent money in order to sign a top striker there seems nothing stopping him, apart from his own finances. I guess it's stick or twist time for Wael, stick with what we've got and hope Nicko and Ozt return to action soon and then stay fit, or splash out on a JCH type signing in order to try and make sure we stay in L1. It’s still an issue for us, if we give a new striker a contract longer than some of those player’s. As when the current players contracts run out, they will either have to sign for less than the average, or go elsewhere. We would struggle to bring in other player’s then. So unless we are planning on giving our a short term deal, it will make a difference. Over time it will even out. But it’s going to effect negotiations now. That's surely those players problems not the incoming strikers? But if most of our present squad left when their contracts are up would it really matter as they are hardly setting L1 alight? PT's somehow got to pull a rabbit (striker) out of the box or we'll be playing L2 football next season and all our players will have to take 25%+ wage reductions if that happens.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 27, 2021 10:26:32 GMT
It’s still an issue for us, if we give a new striker a contract longer than some of those player’s. As when the current players contracts run out, they will either have to sign for less than the average, or go elsewhere. We would struggle to bring in other player’s then. So unless we are planning on giving our a short term deal, it will make a difference. Over time it will even out. But it’s going to effect negotiations now. That's surely those players problems not the incoming strikers? But if most of our present squad left when their contracts are up would it really matter as they are hardly setting L1 alight? PT's somehow got to pull a rabbit (striker) out of the box or we'll be playing L2 football next season and all our players will have to take 25%+ wage reductions if that happens. Does not matter if the player’s leave or stay. As if you use up a higher percentage on a striker, we would have to replace the player’s that leave with player’s on less than the average. So as I see it we have two options. We bring in a player on a short term deal until the end of the season. But then i player’s will sign a longer deal elsewhere if they can. If we are offering a long deal, we will need to think about the long term budget. So we can’t offer loads. Otherwise in a year or two down the line, we will struggle to bring in anyone new. As it includes taxes, agent fees, they say the average salary will be around £1.7 k a week. Expect most decent strikers are on 4K or more at the moment. Plus do player’s not in the 22 still count?? I take it they do, as it says if you loan a player out, the part you receive will be taken off. Under 21 player’s don’t count though. So if we have 24 player’s counting, instead of 22 at the moment. Plus I expect Grimsby won’t be paying Bennett £1.7k as the league 2 average is lower. So some of his will still count as well. A new striker would make 25, plus Bennet. So I doubt we have loads spare anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 10:29:15 GMT
So basically....everyone is guessing
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 27, 2021 10:40:40 GMT
Whatever way you look at it we have.... Too many players unlikely to play Not enough strikers We have no paying customers So.... We need to offload players ASAP, easier said than done I’d have thought. Not sure who will take them. But we need a striker. I suspect a loan player in the last few days of the window. Good luck Tis. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 27, 2021 11:08:59 GMT
Do you only go matches you expect to win then ? Well I dont go to watch them lose. But sitting just above the relegation places, with ONE experienced striker. Please tell me what are all these positives I have missed?OK, I’ll have a go at some positives (Topper can do his own positives) 1. Amongst the unbalanced squad we have we also recruited several good players: Nicholson, Oztumer, Ehmer as CH, McCormick and I’m sure Westbrooke will come good. 2. Our training ground is getting better and better. The first infrastructure improvement with us since I don’t know when. But certainly the best in my time and I’ve been supporting since 1966. 3. We are surviving this awful epidemic with an owner who has invested in us. I know some criticise him but we’d have been absolutely b******* without him during these times. A definite positive. 4. We have appointed a manager with experience who, given time, will imo make us a far better team in this division. Some of the passages of play I’ve seen since have been very good. A final point, not necessarily a positive, more another question, you mention “sitting above the relegation places”, so what. Do you have such a sense of entitlement to think we can’t be there and does it make a difference to your support? We’re BRFC and we have battles and crises and struggles but we usually overcome them and succeed. When I started supporting we were in a promotion race in Division 3, now we are in the same league following many ups and downs. I think it’s what we are a League 1 club with potential for more. And back in 2014 I didn’t think I’d be saying that! UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 27, 2021 12:12:25 GMT
That's surely those players problems not the incoming strikers? But if most of our present squad left when their contracts are up would it really matter as they are hardly setting L1 alight? PT's somehow got to pull a rabbit (striker) out of the box or we'll be playing L2 football next season and all our players will have to take 25%+ wage reductions if that happens. Does not matter if the player’s leave or stay. As if you use up a higher percentage on a striker, we would have to replace the player’s that leave with player’s on less than the average. So as I see it we have two options. We bring in a player on a short term deal until the end of the season. But then i player’s will sign a longer deal elsewhere if they can. If we are offering a long deal, we will need to think about the long term budget. So we can’t offer loads. Otherwise in a year or two down the line, we will struggle to bring in anyone new. As it includes taxes, agent fees, they say the average salary will be around £1.7 k a week. Expect most decent strikers are on 4K or more at the moment. Plus do player’s not in the 22 still count?? I take it they do, as it says if you loan a player out, the part you receive will be taken off. Under 21 player’s don’t count though. So if we have 24 player’s counting, instead of 22 at the moment. Plus I expect Grimsby won’t be paying Bennett £1.7k as the league 2 average is lower. So some of his will still count as well. A new striker would make 25, plus Bennet. So I doubt we have loads spare anyway. If we don't include players in the 22 they are not included in the wage cap, that's why Ogogo & Bennett weren't apparently included in the 22 at the start of the season.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 27, 2021 13:38:44 GMT
Does not matter if the player’s leave or stay. As if you use up a higher percentage on a striker, we would have to replace the player’s that leave with player’s on less than the average. So as I see it we have two options. We bring in a player on a short term deal until the end of the season. But then i player’s will sign a longer deal elsewhere if they can. If we are offering a long deal, we will need to think about the long term budget. So we can’t offer loads. Otherwise in a year or two down the line, we will struggle to bring in anyone new. As it includes taxes, agent fees, they say the average salary will be around £1.7 k a week. Expect most decent strikers are on 4K or more at the moment. Plus do player’s not in the 22 still count?? I take it they do, as it says if you loan a player out, the part you receive will be taken off. Under 21 player’s don’t count though. So if we have 24 player’s counting, instead of 22 at the moment. Plus I expect Grimsby won’t be paying Bennett £1.7k as the league 2 average is lower. So some of his will still count as well. A new striker would make 25, plus Bennet. So I doubt we have loads spare anyway. If we don't include players in the 22 they are not included in the wage cap, that's why Ogogo & Bennett weren't apparently included in the 22 at the start of the season. We had 22. That’s why we had to change keepers as one was under 21 so wouldn’t count. In the rules it says if player’s are loaned out, the amount you receive will be deducted. So they still count. Nothing to do with the wages, we couldn’t count them.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 27, 2021 16:42:28 GMT
If we don't include players in the 22 they are not included in the wage cap, that's why Ogogo & Bennett weren't apparently included in the 22 at the start of the season. We had 22. That’s why we had to change keepers as one was under 21 so wouldn’t count. In the rules it says if player’s are loaned out, the amount you receive will be deducted. So they still count. Nothing to do with the wages, we couldn’t count them. Just going on what Sam Frost reported at the time, that Bennett and Ogogo weren't included in the 22,or given squad numbers, so that they wouldn't be included in the wage budget. I can't see the EFL can restrict the squad size to 22 players then insist the wages of those not named are still included.
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