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Post by gregsy on Feb 5, 2021 17:25:49 GMT
Am I alone in thinking that we've entered a world (largely due to the internet and media coverage) where we seem compelled to Annalise everything from body language to hats and starves (admittedly I do this a bit myself).... Seems to me that if your winning you can avoid the scrutiny, but if you're losing you'll get found out for everything like wearing polyester socks and blinking too often....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 17:40:30 GMT
It seems to me when he came in he was quite bright and breezy and his persona suited the role as he picked up results and we all enjoyed his media quips when we beat Wimbledon and Plymouth. Now the chips are down it’s like his ego has become a self defence mechanism, it wasn’t there when we were winning but it’s now coming to the fore and giving him an edge that is hard to warm to. As Garner found out when your personality starts watering the fans off it’s not going to help your cause. This. Absolutely This. Nail on head. We're seeing a different side to him now, and almost all of it is a subtle "well it certainly ain't my fault! it's down to them, only so much I can do blah blah blah". Must admit - as eloquent as he is - I'd get pretty fed up of all his clichés and management speak pretty sharpish if I was playing for him. I don’t think you would if you were developing under him. To pick up on Socrates point about his IT speak, it’s not his chat that is the problem it’s his results. If the results are good then allowances are made for the method because the fans are happy their team is winning and the players are happy that their careers are on the up. if Guardiola wasn’t a winner I can imagine his players would become disillusioned very quickly! Now Tisdale has started losing we want to see the substance behind the chat and what we are getting is the Tisdale we were unsure of, the aloof looking guy who looks different from everyone else on a match day due to his somewhat attention seeking dress and his media persona is getting quite prickly. Is the scale of the task making him doubt himself?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 17:44:09 GMT
Am I alone in thinking that we've entered a world (largely due to the internet and media coverage) where we seem compelled to Annalise everything from body language to hats and starves (admittedly I do this a bit myself).... Seems to me that if your winning you can avoid the scrutiny, but if you're losing you'll get found out for everything like wearing polyester socks and blinking too often.... As I said above it’s because allowances are made for people who stand out from what we would normally expect. While he’s winning Tisdale can dress like a fashion model and talk like middle management. When you are losing people will use these ways he marks himself out as different as part of the reason why he is failing- ie it doesn’t inspire the players he is managing. Is there any truth to that? I wouldn’t rule it out. The players are probably no different to us at the end of the day, although whether they like his rhetoric or not they should put the effort in on the pitch for the club that pays their wages, if not the manager.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 5, 2021 17:48:48 GMT
Am I alone in thinking that we've entered a world (largely due to the internet and media coverage) where we seem compelled to Annalise everything from body language to hats and starves (admittedly I do this a bit myself).... Seems to me that if your winning you can avoid the scrutiny, but if you're losing you'll get found out for everything like wearing polyester socks and blinking too often.... As I said above it’s because allowances are made for people who stand out from what we would normally expect. While he’s winning Tisdale can dress like a fashion model and talk like middle management. When you are losing people will use these ways he marks himself out as different as part of the reason why he is failing- ie it doesn’t inspire the players he is managing. Is there any truth to that? I wouldn’t rule it out. The players are probably no different to us at the end of the day, although whether they like his rhetoric or not they should put the effort in on the pitch for the club that pays their wages, if not the manager. I wasn't being critical of anyone's judgement, or how we judge things collectively, it just an observation about how weirdly it all works....
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 5, 2021 18:29:55 GMT
Am I alone in thinking that we've entered a world (largely due to the internet and media coverage) where we seem compelled to Annalise everything from body language to hats and starves (admittedly I do this a bit myself).... Seems to me that if your winning you can avoid the scrutiny, but if you're losing you'll get found out for everything like wearing polyester socks and blinking too often.... Good point. Alf Ramsey and Bob Paisley would have struggled with eighth tier sides in this day and age.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 5, 2021 18:30:41 GMT
There are only two ways to solve our defensive problems as they are mainly caused by three players-Ehmer, Kilgour and Leahy. You either drop them or you stand by them. So far PT has stood by them. Tomorrow I would drop them all but he may (I think) give them all a chance to rectify Tuesday. He is right though that you can't coach them to concentrate on marking or reading the game and having pace. They either do it or they don't. Leahy is the best left back in the club. Drop him and who would you replace him with? I'm not saying Leahy is great but he's the best we got. All four centre backs are absolutely poor at the moment. Every single one has to the potential to make catastrophic mistakes at the moment and every match they do. Truly lamentable set of defenders. Kilgour was coming along nicely last season. Why? Because he had the mentorship of Craig and Davies alongside coaching him through the game. In my opinion, the early release of Craig was Garner's greatest mistake.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 18:52:04 GMT
There are only two ways to solve our defensive problems as they are mainly caused by three players-Ehmer, Kilgour and Leahy. You either drop them or you stand by them. So far PT has stood by them. Tomorrow I would drop them all but he may (I think) give them all a chance to rectify Tuesday. He is right though that you can't coach them to concentrate on marking or reading the game and having pace. They either do it or they don't. Leahy is the best left back in the club. Drop him and who would you replace him with? I'm not saying Leahy is great but he's the best we got. All four centre backs are absolutely poor at the moment. Every single one has to the potential to make catastrophic mistakes at the moment and every match they do. Truly lamentable set of defenders. Kilgour was coming along nicely last season. Why? Because he had the mentorship of Craig and Davies alongside coaching him through the game. In my opinion, the early release of Craig was Garner's greatest mistake. When Tutonda came on for Leahy on Tuesday the first move he was involved in was apparently out best piece of football of the night according to Brett Ormerod, all we get from Leahy is high balls into the box, which is useless with Hanlan as the lone striker, although Ayunga was involved in that move so perhaps he also prefers the ball on the deck. I accept DT may not be defensively strong but Leahy was part of the defence which let in 5 anyway. If PT's going to make the changes he's threatening I can't see him dropping Kilgour after praising him recently, so it's either Ehmer &/or Leahy who'll be dropped. Another option is use Little in a 5 man defence as he looked useful before ho injury as the RCB.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 18:58:37 GMT
Am I alone in thinking that we've entered a world (largely due to the internet and media coverage) where we seem compelled to Annalise everything from body language to hats and starves (admittedly I do this a bit myself).... Seems to me that if your winning you can avoid the scrutiny, but if you're losing you'll get found out for everything like wearing polyester socks and blinking too often.... As I said above it’s because allowances are made for people who stand out from what we would normally expect. While he’s winning Tisdale can dress like a fashion model and talk like middle management. When you are losing people will use these ways he marks himself out as different as part of the reason why he is failing- ie it doesn’t inspire the players he is managing. Is there any truth to that? I wouldn’t rule it out. The players are probably no different to us at the end of the day, although whether they like his rhetoric or not they should put the effort in on the pitch for the club that pays their wages, if not the manager. Most of the players are continually posting photos on Insta in their latest fashion purchases I can't see they will offended because the boss dresses smart, I sense they will be more worried about what he says than how he dresses. Although this just follows the previous other two managers, where anything they do as to be criticised, do you feel it is really helping the club you claim to support?
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Post by bobbyjones on Feb 5, 2021 19:03:02 GMT
Topper I just wish we played as good as we look in the fashion show
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 19:13:59 GMT
There are only two ways to solve our defensive problems as they are mainly caused by three players-Ehmer, Kilgour and Leahy. You either drop them or you stand by them. So far PT has stood by them. Tomorrow I would drop them all but he may (I think) give them all a chance to rectify Tuesday. He is right though that you can't coach them to concentrate on marking or reading the game and having pace. They either do it or they don't. Leahy is the best left back in the club. Drop him and who would you replace him with? I'm not saying Leahy is great but he's the best we got. All four centre backs are absolutely poor at the moment. Every single one has to the potential to make catastrophic mistakes at the moment and every match they do. Truly lamentable set of defenders. Kilgour was coming along nicely last season. Why? Because he had the mentorship of Craig and Davies alongside coaching him through the game. In my opinion, the early release of Craig was Garner's greatest mistake. Perhaps Craig wanted to go ? It’s highly unlikely that he would have wanted to stay and play for Garner just as much as Garner wouldn’t have wanted him. I think perhaps the minute Garner walked in the door Tone was ready to leave
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 5, 2021 19:21:13 GMT
Everything in the club has questions asked about it when you in the middle of a bad run. Ownership, how the club is run, communication, all the players obviously and the manager as well. If we were winning it would all be completely different. If we were wining we’d be saying how good he is and how good he sounds, even if he does do IT-speak. What we will find out in the next month or so is how much substance there is to Tis.
DC had bad runs, he couldn’t get a home win when we got back into the league despite a good away record, we started badly in the Conference before we had that “Accrington moment” at Braintree, but he always managed to turn it around and change it. BG didn’t necessarily change his losing run though this season, results wise wasn’t as bad as it had been but the players performance against Fleetwood did for him. It will be the same for Tis, change the results around and start getting some wins and he’ll be fine, and we'll start to like him. If this bad run continues then it will become much, much harder.
In a way, I don’t care what he wears or even what he sounds like, although I understand that the players may. These things wouldn’t be even mentioned if we were winning. He needs to sort out the current bad run and turn it around. If he does all well and good, if he doesn’t then he will be in danger, however that will make us look as a club. I’ve said we need to stick with Tis but football is a results business and he needs to get some wins from somewhere. Jeez, I said the same stuff back in October, twice in a season, what a mess.
UTG!
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 19:30:35 GMT
Everything in the club has questions asked about it when you in the middle of a bad run. Ownership, how the club is run, communication, all the players obviously and the manager as well. If we were winning it would all be completely different. If we were wining we’d be saying how good he is and how good he sounds, even if he does do IT-speak. What we will find out in the next month or so is how much substance there is to Tis. DC had bad runs, he couldn’t get a home win when we got back into the league despite a good away record, we started badly in the Conference before we had that “Accrington moment” at Braintree, but he always managed to turn it around and change it. BG didn’t necessarily change his losing run though this season, results wise wasn’t as bad as it had been but the players performance against Fleetwood did for him. It will be the same for Tis, change the results around and start getting some wins and he’ll be fine, and we'll start to like him. If this bad run continues then it will become much, much harder. In a way, I don’t care what he wears or even what he sounds like, although I understand that the players may. These things wouldn’t be even mentioned if we were winning. He needs to sort out the current bad run and turn it around. If he does all well and good, if he doesn’t then he will be in danger, however that will make us look as a club. I’ve said we need to stick with Tis but football is a results business and he needs to get some wins from somewhere. Jeez, I said the same stuff back in October, twice in a season, what a mess. UTG! I agree with all of that except I think he’s already in danger in fact right on the edge. If we don’t turn up tomorrow he’ll be gone I’d put my mortgage on it if I was still a betting man. I reckon the players will feel the same so we’ll find out tomorrow if he’s still got the dressing room or not by whether we play like were in a relegation battle or like we’re in a pre season friendly yet again.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 5, 2021 19:45:03 GMT
Everything in the club has questions asked about it when you in the middle of a bad run. Ownership, how the club is run, communication, all the players obviously and the manager as well. If we were winning it would all be completely different. If we were wining we’d be saying how good he is and how good he sounds, even if he does do IT-speak. What we will find out in the next month or so is how much substance there is to Tis. DC had bad runs, he couldn’t get a home win when we got back into the league despite a good away record, we started badly in the Conference before we had that “Accrington moment” at Braintree, but he always managed to turn it around and change it. BG didn’t necessarily change his losing run though this season, results wise wasn’t as bad as it had been but the players performance against Fleetwood did for him. It will be the same for Tis, change the results around and start getting some wins and he’ll be fine, and we'll start to like him. If this bad run continues then it will become much, much harder. In a way, I don’t care what he wears or even what he sounds like, although I understand that the players may. These things wouldn’t be even mentioned if we were winning. He needs to sort out the current bad run and turn it around. If he does all well and good, if he doesn’t then he will be in danger, however that will make us look as a club. I’ve said we need to stick with Tis but football is a results business and he needs to get some wins from somewhere. Jeez, I said the same stuff back in October, twice in a season, what a mess. UTG! I agree with all of that except I think he’s already in danger in fact right on the edge. If we don’t turn up tomorrow he’ll be gone I’d put my mortgage on it if I was still a betting man. I reckon the players will feel the same so we’ll find out tomorrow if he’s still got the dressing room or not by whether we play like were in a relegation battle or like we’re in a pre season friendly yet again. I agree socrates. He is in danger and I think he knows that judging by his pre-match interview. But I try and never go OTT with comments. I said elsewhere that the letter was good but it meant nothing without a response tomorrow. A result would be great but the performance almost as important. We'll find out tomorrow I guess. UTG!
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 19:56:53 GMT
I agree with all of that except I think he’s already in danger in fact right on the edge. If we don’t turn up tomorrow he’ll be gone I’d put my mortgage on it if I was still a betting man. I reckon the players will feel the same so we’ll find out tomorrow if he’s still got the dressing room or not by whether we play like were in a relegation battle or like we’re in a pre season friendly yet again. I agree socrates. He is in danger and I think he knows that judging by his pre-match interview. But I try and never go OTT with comments. I said elsewhere that the letter was good but it meant nothing without a response tomorrow. A result would be great but the performance almost as important. We'll find out tomorrow I guess. UTG! Yeah hopefully I won’t be switching off after half hour like I did Tuesday. I’ve never switched off or walked out earlier than a few minutes before the end of a Rovers match before Tuesday.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 5, 2021 19:58:53 GMT
If find this amusing, after a few good results people were on here saying how well PT was speaking & it was refreshing from the BG era when the only person to blame for a bad result was the ref. Before that we had DC, get a bad result & people taking the water out of his dust ourselves down comments. It all changes if they get results? Not a bit, people will moan about the style of football & won’t go to games either if we have a successful team, remember GC anyone? The facts are some people don’t like a manager for their own reasons & will take every opportunity to have a go on social media, because they can, and it makes them feel vindicated that he wasn’t their choice, others follow like sheep. Get the feeling some only want us to win, with their choice of manager & players. Up the Rovers, whoever picks the team!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 20:27:31 GMT
If find this amusing, after a few good results people were on here saying how well PT was speaking & it was refreshing from the BG era when the only person to blame for a bad result was the ref. Before that we had DC, get a bad result & people taking the water out of his dust ourselves down comments. It all changes if they get results? Not a bit, people will moan about the style of football & won’t go to games either if we have a successful team, remember GC anyone? The facts are some people don’t like a manager for their own reasons & will take every opportunity to have a go on social media, because they can, and it makes them feel vindicated that he wasn’t their choice, others follow like sheep. Get the feeling some only want us to win, with their choice of manager & players. Up the Rovers, whoever picks the team!But they never name their choice of manager, so whoever gets the jobs can always be targeted as they never wanted us to appoint him. It's mostly the same negative posters, although G1981 & LJH have jumped on the bandwagon this time. Given the only likely option is an internal appointment I'm content to stick with Tisdale, unless we suffer another thrashing tomorrow as that will probably seal his fate anyway, if we do then you sense it's another Dave Penney situation and that didn't end well after he departed, in fact we eventually ended up playing non-league football!!
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 20:49:54 GMT
If find this amusing, after a few good results people were on here saying how well PT was speaking & it was refreshing from the BG era when the only person to blame for a bad result was the ref. Before that we had DC, get a bad result & people taking the water out of his dust ourselves down comments. It all changes if they get results? Not a bit, people will moan about the style of football & won’t go to games either if we have a successful team, remember GC anyone? The facts are some people don’t like a manager for their own reasons & will take every opportunity to have a go on social media, because they can, and it makes them feel vindicated that he wasn’t their choice, others follow like sheep. Get the feeling some only want us to win, with their choice of manager & players. Up the Rovers, whoever picks the team! What you say is right for probably half the people in here. Personally for me it’s all about winning games , not getting relegated and hopefully winning promotion. I’ve never walked up the Gloucester Road or to Twerton thinking I hope we play entertaining football today , for entertaining football I watch the champions league or the World Cup , MOTD etc. As a Gashead you can’t afford to be picky and I loved the way Coughlan saved us and then built on that the following season and was gutted when he left. Obviously I’d rather watch Rovers win pretty than ugly but winning is always the main priority. Gerry Francis built a tough long ball team in the late 80s who weren’t often pretty on the eye but nobody complained then , perhaps it’s a sign of the times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 20:51:07 GMT
If find this amusing, after a few good results people were on here saying how well PT was speaking & it was refreshing from the BG era when the only person to blame for a bad result was the ref. Before that we had DC, get a bad result & people taking the water out of his dust ourselves down comments. It all changes if they get results? Not a bit, people will moan about the style of football & won’t go to games either if we have a successful team, remember GC anyone? The facts are some people don’t like a manager for their own reasons & will take every opportunity to have a go on social media, because they can, and it makes them feel vindicated that he wasn’t their choice, others follow like sheep. Get the feeling some only want us to win, with their choice of manager & players. Up the Rovers, whoever picks the team!But they never name their choice of manager, so whoever gets the jobs can always be targeted as they never wanted us to appoint him. It's mostly the same negative posters, although G1981 & LJH have jumped on the bandwagon this time. Given the only likely option is an internal appointment I'm content to stick with Tisdale, unless we suffer another thrashing tomorrow as that will probably seal his fate anyway, if we do then you sense it's another Dave Penney situation and that didn't end well after he departed, in fact we eventually ended up playing non-league football!! It’s because, to be extremely blunt, the current board does not know how to appoint winners. Coughlan was a winner to be fair to him but he got the job more by luck than judgement. I couldn’t stand him as a person, he liked a humble brag and I don’t think the way to progress as a club is through long ball football which made it worse, but the guy took us to third and I admitted that the football and his personality played second fiddle to the fact that he was winning- that’s all that matters. Then they replaced him with a serial loser in Garner, not only that a serial loser who seemed have a high opinion of himself, an awful combination. Tisdale is not much better, he’s got something of an ego considering he has a poor record at this level. Cotterill probably has one of the worst media personas out there but I said before we appointed Garner that I couldn’t give a monkey’s about what he has said, the guy knows how to win football matches at this level and I’d gladly have him here whereas most won’t. It’s about winning football matches, if you do that then you can be as unlikeable as you like in the media as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 21:01:33 GMT
But they never name their choice of manager, so whoever gets the jobs can always be targeted as they never wanted us to appoint him. It's mostly the same negative posters, although G1981 & LJH have jumped on the bandwagon this time. Given the only likely option is an internal appointment I'm content to stick with Tisdale, unless we suffer another thrashing tomorrow as that will probably seal his fate anyway, if we do then you sense it's another Dave Penney situation and that didn't end well after he departed, in fact we eventually ended up playing non-league football!! It’s because, to be extremely blunt, the current board does not know how to appoint winners. Coughlan was a winner to be fair to him but he got the job more by luck than judgement. I couldn’t stand him as a person, he liked a humble brag and I don’t think the way to progress as a club is through long ball football which made it worse, but the guy took us to third and I admitted that the football and his personality played second fiddle to the fact that he was winning- that’s all that matters. Then they replaced him with a serial loser in Garner, not only that a serial loser who seemed have a high opinion of himself, an awful combination. Tisdale is not much better, he’s got something of an ego considering he has a poor record at this level. Cotterill probably has one of the worst media personas out there but I said before we appointed Garner that I couldn’t give a monkey’s about what he has said, the guy knows how to win football matches at this level and I’d gladly have him here whereas most won’t. It’s about winning football matches, if you do that then you can be as unlikeable as you like in the media as far as I am concerned. Ha that first line reminded me of Derek Trotter. “I’ve always been a winner Rodney........I’ve never actually won anything mind”.
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 21:03:30 GMT
But they never name their choice of manager, so whoever gets the jobs can always be targeted as they never wanted us to appoint him. It's mostly the same negative posters, although G1981 & LJH have jumped on the bandwagon this time. Given the only likely option is an internal appointment I'm content to stick with Tisdale, unless we suffer another thrashing tomorrow as that will probably seal his fate anyway, if we do then you sense it's another Dave Penney situation and that didn't end well after he departed, in fact we eventually ended up playing non-league football!! It’s because, to be extremely blunt, the current board does not know how to appoint winners. Coughlan was a winner to be fair to him but he got the job more by luck than judgement. I couldn’t stand him as a person, he liked a humble brag and I don’t think the way to progress as a club is through long ball football which made it worse, but the guy took us to third and I admitted that the football and his personality played second fiddle to the fact that he was winning- that’s all that matters. Then they replaced him with a serial loser in Garner, not only that a serial loser who seemed have a high opinion of himself, an awful combination. Tisdale is not much better, he’s got something of an ego considering he has a poor record at this level. Cotterill probably has one of the worst media personas out there but I said before we appointed Garner that I couldn’t give a monkey’s about what he has said, the guy knows how to win football matches at this level and I’d gladly have him here whereas most won’t. It’s about winning football matches, if you do that then you can be as unlikeable as you like in the media as far as I am concerned. Tisdale is basically Garner in 20 years if garner wins a couple of lower league promotions between now and then. Wael has swapped like for like.
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