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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 5, 2021 21:20:51 GMT
If find this amusing, after a few good results people were on here saying how well PT was speaking & it was refreshing from the BG era when the only person to blame for a bad result was the ref. Before that we had DC, get a bad result & people taking the water out of his dust ourselves down comments. It all changes if they get results? Not a bit, people will moan about the style of football & won’t go to games either if we have a successful team, remember GC anyone? The facts are some people don’t like a manager for their own reasons & will take every opportunity to have a go on social media, because they can, and it makes them feel vindicated that he wasn’t their choice, others follow like sheep. Get the feeling some only want us to win, with their choice of manager & players. Up the Rovers, whoever picks the team! What you say is right for probably half the people in here. Personally for me it’s all about winning games , not getting relegated and hopefully winning promotion. I’ve never walked up the Gloucester Road or to Twerton thinking I hope we play entertaining football today , for entertaining football I watch the champions league or the World Cup , MOTD etc. As a Gashead you can’t afford to be picky and I loved the way Coughlan saved us and then built on that the following season and was gutted when he left. Obviously I’d rather watch Rovers win pretty than ugly but winning is always the main priority. Gerry Francis built a tough long ball team in the late 80s who weren’t often pretty on the eye but nobody complained then , perhaps it’s a sign of the times. Exactly the same for me. The thing is people watch Sky MOTD etc & expect the same in L1. I didn’t want Coughlan, probably in love with DC at the time, but loved the results he achieved. I thought he could of got us a play off spot & wouldn’t of worried if we couldn’t sustain Championship football with that team - financially, especially in these times it would have been really beneficial.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 5, 2021 21:31:11 GMT
If find this amusing, after a few good results people were on here saying how well PT was speaking & it was refreshing from the BG era when the only person to blame for a bad result was the ref. Before that we had DC, get a bad result & people taking the water out of his dust ourselves down comments. It all changes if they get results? Not a bit, people will moan about the style of football & won’t go to games either if we have a successful team, remember GC anyone? The facts are some people don’t like a manager for their own reasons & will take every opportunity to have a go on social media, because they can, and it makes them feel vindicated that he wasn’t their choice, others follow like sheep. Get the feeling some only want us to win, with their choice of manager & players. Up the Rovers, whoever picks the team!But they never name their choice of manager, so whoever gets the jobs can always be targeted as they never wanted us to appoint him. It's mostly the same negative posters, although G1981 & LJH have jumped on the bandwagon this time. Given the only likely option is an internal appointment I'm content to stick with Tisdale, unless we suffer another thrashing tomorrow as that will probably seal his fate anyway, if we do then you sense it's another Dave Penney situation and that didn't end well after he departed, in fact we eventually ended up playing non-league football!! I think you are right in saying stick with Tisdale, but at least we need a performance tomorrow. Personally I would have gone with a manager with championship experience but I get the feeling Wael & the board, are fearful in making such appointments as it may expose their lack of experience.
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Post by aforce on Feb 5, 2021 21:37:55 GMT
Yea talk is cheap we really need a 3 pointer tomorrow
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Post by LJG on Feb 5, 2021 21:40:52 GMT
If find this amusing, after a few good results people were on here saying how well PT was speaking & it was refreshing from the BG era when the only person to blame for a bad result was the ref. Before that we had DC, get a bad result & people taking the water out of his dust ourselves down comments. It all changes if they get results? Not a bit, people will moan about the style of football & won’t go to games either if we have a successful team, remember GC anyone? The facts are some people don’t like a manager for their own reasons & will take every opportunity to have a go on social media, because they can, and it makes them feel vindicated that he wasn’t their choice, others follow like sheep. Get the feeling some only want us to win, with their choice of manager & players. Up the Rovers, whoever picks the team!But they never name their choice of manager, so whoever gets the jobs can always be targeted as they never wanted us to appoint him. It's mostly the same negative posters, although G1981 & LJH have jumped on the bandwagon this time. Given the only likely option is an internal appointment I'm content to stick with Tisdale, unless we suffer another thrashing tomorrow as that will probably seal his fate anyway, if we do then you sense it's another Dave Penney situation and that didn't end well after he departed, in fact we eventually ended up playing non-league football!! Jumped on the bandwagon? Despite posting more than 20,000 times on this forum you apparently never read any of it. From 14 November last year: Paul Tisdale for me. Reasons: lives local. Not working at the mo (I know he’s keen to get back into it). Loyal manager and is in for the long game as shown at Exeter. Speaks highly of the gas as a whole publicly and privately. Didn’t work for him at Mk dons is the only blotch. No ta. Achieved nothing of note.
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 21:56:19 GMT
What you say is right for probably half the people in here. Personally for me it’s all about winning games , not getting relegated and hopefully winning promotion. I’ve never walked up the Gloucester Road or to Twerton thinking I hope we play entertaining football today , for entertaining football I watch the champions league or the World Cup , MOTD etc. As a Gashead you can’t afford to be picky and I loved the way Coughlan saved us and then built on that the following season and was gutted when he left. Obviously I’d rather watch Rovers win pretty than ugly but winning is always the main priority. Gerry Francis built a tough long ball team in the late 80s who weren’t often pretty on the eye but nobody complained then , perhaps it’s a sign of the times. Exactly the same for me. The thing is people watch Sky MOTD etc & expect the same in L1. I didn’t want Coughlan, probably in love with DC at the time, but loved the results he achieved. I thought he could of got us a play off spot & wouldn’t of worried if we couldn’t sustain Championship football with that team - financially, especially in these times it would have been really beneficial. It would have probably been the same as the last time we were in the second tier - struggle , maybe stay up a season or two and come back down but I was well up for that. Be careful what you wish for as they say.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 5, 2021 22:09:01 GMT
Exactly the same for me. The thing is people watch Sky MOTD etc & expect the same in L1. I didn’t want Coughlan, probably in love with DC at the time, but loved the results he achieved. I thought he could of got us a play off spot & wouldn’t of worried if we couldn’t sustain Championship football with that team - financially, especially in these times it would have been really beneficial. It would have probably been the same as the last time we were in the second tier - struggle , maybe stay up a season or two and come back down but I was well up for that. Be careful what you wish for as they say. I’ve only seen us promoted to the second tier twice, we managed 7 seasons first time around in the 70’s then after the 1990 promotion we only managed 3 seasons. I wouldn’t of expected as much as that, had we gone up last season.
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 5, 2021 22:15:07 GMT
Another load of waffle. This guy is a complete fraud in my opinion. Telling senior players they need to motivate him is pathetic, not exactly how many will perceive what is required from a Leader. Also noticed he didn't like the question around needing help. Tomorrow is going to be interesting. I think the fight and determination in the performance will test if he has lost the dressing room or not.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 22:17:29 GMT
But they never name their choice of manager, so whoever gets the jobs can always be targeted as they never wanted us to appoint him. It's mostly the same negative posters, although G1981 & LJH have jumped on the bandwagon this time. Given the only likely option is an internal appointment I'm content to stick with Tisdale, unless we suffer another thrashing tomorrow as that will probably seal his fate anyway, if we do then you sense it's another Dave Penney situation and that didn't end well after he departed, in fact we eventually ended up playing non-league football!! Jumped on the bandwagon? Despite posting more than 20,000 times on this forum you apparently never read any of it. From 14 November last year: No ta. Achieved nothing of note. Jumped on the bandwagon of disliking the manager even before he was appointed, who do you seriously expect us to appointment, the recent Gaschat favourite, Paul Cook, who's probably looking for £500K p.a. and to bring in his own coaching staff on similar type of money, or Duff/Flynn who also have never won anything, finding a manager we could afford who's won something would take some doing. The betting odds for the Wimbledon manager's job make depressing reading, potential candidates wise: www.thesackrace.com/teams/afc-wimbledon
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 22:24:19 GMT
It would have probably been the same as the last time we were in the second tier - struggle , maybe stay up a season or two and come back down but I was well up for that. Be careful what you wish for as they say. I’ve only seen us promoted to the second tier twice, we managed 7 seasons first time around in the 70’s then after the 1990 promotion we only managed 3 seasons. I wouldn’t of expected as much as that, had we gone up last season. Expectations would have been lower than they were in 1990 I agree but you’ve got to be in it to win it as they say and you never know. I understand Waels vision for the club but I think that bringing in loads of players with potential and losing all of our experience and leaders isn’t the way to go about staying up and then selling on our high performers and I think you’d probably agree ? The only way we’ll sell enough good players to become self sustainable is by having a good well balanced squad who work hard for each other and winning football matches. That way the best will get picked up for big money , like JCH did when we were winning matches. If we go down this year Sammy Nicholson will leave and we’ll get less than a million for him if we stay up we’ll get a lot more. Waels got an idea but has gone the wrong way about executing it in the last 13 months.
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Post by LJG on Feb 5, 2021 22:27:35 GMT
Jumped on the bandwagon? Despite posting more than 20,000 times on this forum you apparently never read any of it. From 14 November last year: Jumped on the bandwagon of disliking the manager even before he was appointed, who do you seriously expect us to appointment, the recent Gaschat favourite, Paul Cook, who's probably looking for £500K p.a. and to bring in his own coaching staff on similar type of money, or Duff/Flynn who also have never won anything, finding a manager we could afford who's won something would take some doing. The betting odds for the Wimbledon manager's job make depressing reading, potential candidates wise: www.thesackrace.com/teams/afc-wimbledonWell that's not a bandwagon is it? I'm perfectly entitled to acknowledge that a person is a self-important narcissist who brags about how he predicted his team would be relegated before the season had started. Quite frankly I'd have welcomed anyone else once I'd heard his EFL podcasts. I'd have been perfectly happy with Hargreaves or Maher.
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Post by thegasareback on Feb 5, 2021 22:51:13 GMT
I get the vision that the board had in regards to taking us forward.
But I think the fans in general are having problems with PT because... well... he isn’t salt of the earth like most of us. Look the the close relationships we’ve had with managers, DC - working class, Ollie - proper kingswood boy. Gerry - may not be local but put his own money in and really bought into the place. I just think we may not be suited to this style of human as our figurehead. (Trolls for 12 / 18 months being an exception)
I get this sounds mental, and maybe backwards. Just a musing as I listen to him asking to be motivated, and watch his linked in article in his blazer at highclere castle with a China tea set, which was released a few hours before our Accrington debacle.
I made a comment to people when he joined that he spent a month getting to learn players names when that should have been done pre interview aka Bielsa who watched 46 x 90 minutes and presented a dossier on every player at his Leeds interview.
Is PT going to sweat blood and tears to sort this sh*t out? Will he shed a tear on the pitch if we go down? Would he lose a wink of sleep? Are they doing triple sessions on set pieces until it becomes ingrained?
“Well something needs to change” was all he could come up with.
Ollie is 100% not the answer.
DC has moved on.
This isn’t a bring back the old guard post. More of a, bring back someone we can connect with and can believe in post. Sorry gone off on a tangent but hopefully people get the gist.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 5, 2021 22:56:20 GMT
If we get soundly beaten tomorrow by another team woefully out of form, surely he can't carry on?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 23:18:08 GMT
Leahy is the best left back in the club. Drop him and who would you replace him with? I'm not saying Leahy is great but he's the best we got. All four centre backs are absolutely poor at the moment. Every single one has to the potential to make catastrophic mistakes at the moment and every match they do. Truly lamentable set of defenders. Kilgour was coming along nicely last season. Why? Because he had the mentorship of Craig and Davies alongside coaching him through the game. In my opinion, the early release of Craig was Garner's greatest mistake. Perhaps Craig wanted to go ? It’s highly unlikely that he would have wanted to stay and play for Garner just as much as Garner wouldn’t have wanted him. I think perhaps the minute Garner walked in the door Tone was ready to leave Craig didn't want to leave, he said in an interview that he was called in and told that he wouldn't be offered a new contract. Garner's biggest mistake in my opinion - maybe a time when he needed a bit of advice from Widdrington on the value of retaining some experience.
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Post by weneedtotalkabouttis on Feb 5, 2021 23:18:19 GMT
If we get soundly beaten tomorrow by another team woefully out of form, surely he can't carry on? Wanna bet? 😨
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Post by bluestargas on Feb 5, 2021 23:26:16 GMT
Tisdale getting back to basics, drop the man at C&A look for a start that is so last year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 23:44:28 GMT
Jumped on the bandwagon? Despite posting more than 20,000 times on this forum you apparently never read any of it. From 14 November last year: Jumped on the bandwagon of disliking the manager even before he was appointed, who do you seriously expect us to appointment, the recent Gaschat favourite, Paul Cook, who's probably looking for £500K p.a. and to bring in his own coaching staff on similar type of money, or Duff/Flynn who also have never won anything, finding a manager we could afford who's won something would take some doing. The betting odds for the Wimbledon manager's job make depressing reading, potential candidates wise: www.thesackrace.com/teams/afc-wimbledonI’d rather have Flynn or duff who haven’t failed at league one yet than Tisdale who hasn’t set the division alight. Plus when have managers who have been in the game for years done well at Rovers? Young hungrier managers are generally a better option in football these days and Tisdale is a case in point. He is reminiscent of McGhee.
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Post by hardingegas on Feb 6, 2021 0:14:44 GMT
I agree with that last post - a young manager with ambition would have been a better option.
I thought Tisdale was the right appointment at the time but I can see why it's all gone tits up - the players are not buying into his methods or approach.
We should give him six games to turn it around with a minimum of ten points otherwise send for the taxi.
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Post by weneedtotalkabouttis on Feb 6, 2021 0:20:00 GMT
I agree with that last post - a young manager with ambition would have been a better option. I thought Tisdale was the right appointment at the time but I can see why it's all gone tits up - the players are not buying into his methods or approach. We should give him six games to turn it around with a minimum of ten points otherwise send for the taxi. You might be right, but that taxi is going to cost you £250k minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:44:31 GMT
Let's just hope you all will be singing his praises come 5 pm tomorrow. I am sure I can endure another meltdown. Come on Tis sort this out A defeat today and this forum will be a cauldron...don't think many will settle for a performance unless it bring back a point or three.
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Post by thegasareback on Feb 10, 2021 16:44:40 GMT
I get the vision that the board had in regards to taking us forward. But I think the fans in general are having problems with PT because... well... he isn’t salt of the earth like most of us. Look the the close relationships we’ve had with managers, DC - working class, Ollie - proper kingswood boy. Gerry - may not be local but put his own money in and really bought into the place. I just think we may not be suited to this style of human as our figurehead. (Trolls for 12 / 18 months being an exception) I get this sounds mental, and maybe backwards. Just a musing as I listen to him asking to be motivated, and watch his linked in article in his blazer at highclere castle with a China tea set, which was released a few hours before our Accrington debacle. I made a comment to people when he joined that he spent a month getting to learn players names when that should have been done pre interview aka Bielsa who watched 46 x 90 minutes and presented a dossier on every player at his Leeds interview. Is PT going to sweat blood and tears to sort this sh*t out? Will he shed a tear on the pitch if we go down? Would he lose a wink of sleep? Are they doing triple sessions on set pieces until it becomes ingrained? “Well something needs to change” was all he could come up with. Ollie is 100% not the answer. DC has moved on. This isn’t a bring back the old guard post. More of a, bring back someone we can connect with and can believe in post. Sorry gone off on a tangent but hopefully people get the gist. Fingers crossed
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