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Post by yattongas on Feb 15, 2021 17:58:26 GMT
Clearly the posters moaning would sooner have Tisdale talking in riddles! I can't see TW taking any sh1t from the players if they don't perform, can you? It'll be interesting to listen to TW further interviews this week if we lose to both Pompey and the Gills, which looks a real possibility. We need a tough talker, no doubt. But it would be nice to have a tough talker with a bit of class who doesn’t seek to blame others. I don’t know how you can have the job title of “head of recruitment” and not be responsible in some small way for results on the pitch. I’m sure he’s taken all the credit for JCH’s success though rather than put it all down to the coaching or GC. Have you heard him take all the credit ? Genuine question
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Post by gascoach on Feb 15, 2021 18:00:27 GMT
Im going to defend the guy.
There has been a whole heap of mud slung his way in the last couple of weeks, he is clearly very aware of that.
For some reason, there is a huge general consensus that they are "his" players. Personally I have a different take on his position in that he helps secure the signings that the manager wants on THEIR recomendation.
Yes there has to be a framework agreed by the club, one I personally really like with young player with what we hope have a good re sale value.
So personally I can understand why he was snappy in his first interview and distanced himself. Imagine getting near on all the signings the manager requested and actually being very good at your job only to be slammed by the fan base for it.
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Post by spiess1 on Feb 15, 2021 18:02:41 GMT
Well, there you have it. A ''gashead''. Here we go again! Forget about the words ‘but want the Rovers to well’ so taken in the context that it is written work it out! Einstein calling: What you suggest is not possible, so ludicrous and preposterous.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Feb 15, 2021 18:20:35 GMT
He spoke about how we should forge closer links with City so we can take more of their players on loan too, that caused some consternation at the time which has since been forgotten. But yeah, I think the profit on JCH has managed to keep him from being accountable for our current league position. Relegation is going to take a considerable chunk out of that JCH money though, if not swallow it completely. Why ignore, Jaakola, Ogogo, Davis & Nicholson, he's being doing OK when signing experienced players, gambling on youngsters has been his recent downfall but I doubt many HoR's get that right. I 100% agree with this. I also think most of the players people have tagged as not being good enough are great technical players, but are having to cover for the large number of inexperienced players we have in the team. There aren't many I would deem not good enough to do well at this level in a well balanced team. We're missing an Ogogo in midfield and a Lambert up front, neither of which I'd blame on Widdrington's recruitment.
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Post by henry on Feb 15, 2021 18:21:08 GMT
Here we go again! Forget about the words ‘but want the Rovers to well’ so taken in the context that it is written work it out! Einstein calling: What you suggest is not possible, so ludicrous and preposterous. Not even hypothetically speaking? O well not to worry.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Feb 15, 2021 18:22:30 GMT
More than once his interviews in written word appear to have overtones that simply aren’t there when you hear him say it. He’s a brief, to the point Geordie but there’s a wry humour to a lot of what he says that is absent when it’s just words on a page.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 18:43:19 GMT
More than once his interviews in written word appear to have overtones that simply aren’t there when you hear him say it. He’s a brief, to the point Geordie but there’s a wry humour to a lot of what he says that is absent when it’s just words on a page. Probably some truth to that, although he was prickly and very defensive in the video interview from last week, no denying that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 18:45:20 GMT
Why ignore, Jaakola, Ogogo, Davis & Nicholson, he's being doing OK when signing experienced players, gambling on youngsters has been his recent downfall but I doubt many HoR's get that right. I 100% agree with this. I also think most of the players people have tagged as not being good enough are great technical players, but are having to cover for the large number of inexperienced players we have in the team. There aren't many I would deem not good enough to do well at this level in a well balanced team. We're missing an Ogogo in midfield and a Lambert up front, neither of which I'd blame on Widdrington's recruitment. I must admit I do forget that some of them are young players so perhaps unfair to hold them accountable that they haven’t come in and hit the ground running and they could indeed surprise us all in a few years time....but if the talent is there on an individual level how many will still be at league one level were we to have a fire sale at the end of the season? I’m not convinced we’ll have many takers, certainly not for the defenders that have been brought in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 18:47:06 GMT
His recruitment record has been very poor to say the least. In truth, he struck gold with JCH and seemingly has had enough credit in the bank for all the subsequent failures to have fallen under the radar. Any other Head of Recruitment would have been hauled over the coals a long time ago. Comical Tommy managed to wangle a job promotion instead. It's nothing personal, I'm sure he's a sound fella but he should be held accountable for his performance if we're going to be firing managers left and right. The warning signs were there as soon as, in one of his first orders of business, he signed up his useless crap son on a two year deal. Where is he now? Oh yeah, turning out for the Dog and Duck Old Boys seconds on a Sunday morning. Bit funny that one of the best managers we've had in our history is walking the plank a few months after his arrival thanks, in part, to the terrible performances of those signed since Widdrington's arrival. How much was Stefan Payne again? Oh yeah, that was 200k spunked up against the wall. Kinell! You do realise that he isn’t solely responsible for recruitment and that he isn’t the one who makes the decisions ? It’s the manager and the recruitment team. Being Head of Recruitment doesn’t mean he does everything, it means he’s responsible for all the areas involved - scouting, analysis, contracts, relationship management with other clubs, databases of players analysis and availability etc etc ..... he works off a brief from the management team, the manager makes the decisions and he works alongside the board and manager in alignment with Manager wishes???
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 15, 2021 18:54:13 GMT
So with 20 games to go you've already written off our chances of survival, even though we're not in bottom 4 at the moment.
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Post by poorblue on Feb 15, 2021 18:54:34 GMT
So, many fans who have never played professional football, who would never gain employment within the professional (or amateur) game pass judgement on a man who has played at the highest level and also throughout the lower levels for 15 years. He has also managed 3 teams not counting Rovers standin and been assistant manager with 3 promotions and worked as head of recruitment twice. It's been stated publicly several times that Rovers have a list of 1000 players from divisions above and below L1 who are or maybe possibly within their budget. The last 4 managers had access to that list and it was the managers who picked the players he wanted. The actual signing depends on the future player wanting to sign and the board who arrange the contract and fee being able to get the player to agree terms. At first glance it would appear that DC was the only manger to pick wisely but as success followed early days for him he eventually, as 98% mangers do failed and lost the plot. He succeeded IMO mainly because he signed a prolific striker and failed when he left and did not replace those goals. GC signed a prolific striker and briefly succeeded. Garner completely rebuilt and there is some data supporting that could be successful at some point in the future but he failed to sign a prolific striker and was gone. In comes PT who also failed to sign a prolific striker and is gone. The new manager has a difficult setup to turn it around.
We may never know the full facts but PT stated he was an experienced manager and was fully aware that the player he may have wanted might not sign so it was important to have a 2nd or even 3rd choice. All data to PT from TW list. CEO said they tried and failed to sign Stockley who many on here wanted so why is it Widdrington's fault? Football is a team game, both on and OFF the pitch UTG
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Post by scottleroc on Feb 15, 2021 18:56:13 GMT
Perhaps I’m being a bit harsh but he seems pretty unlikeable to me. His comments today are just dismissive and a bit rude! I didn’t hear it live so could have been tongue in cheek to be fair. Think the fellas on a bit of a cushy number. Clearly has absolute faith of Wael tho so likely to be here for a while. He’ll probably guide us to a winning streak now....!! Very unlikeable. If you’re getting results then being unlikeable is the cost of doing business, but when you aren’t, as he isn’t, acting the way that he is not a good look. You have to earn the right to arrogance and he hasn’t earned it by a long chalk especially as he seems to prefer roles that don’t require him to use the tools that he provides. Someone on otib described him as looking like an angry bin man and I have to say I can see where they are coming from! Angry bin man!!😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 19:03:00 GMT
I see that Tommy has become (along with Starnes) the latest in the list forum fans want to pinpoint and slag off... We’ve had Bennett, Nichols, JVS, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Westbrooke, Grant, Harries plus no doubt others on the playing front and GC, Garner, Tisdale (and probably the next manager too) on the manager front and Higgs, Wael (but that’s faded after he ‘cleared the debt’ and started the training ground with the exception of Fanatical and his band), Hamer and now Widdrington and Starnes... Not saying that some of it isn’t justified but my god all we seem to do is just constantly moan and slag off our ‘club’.... (I use club as whilst the club is bigger than just what’s named, all of the above are component parts of the club).... One day we all might start getting behind and supporting the club rather than just constantly slagging off and moaning about everything about it! PS fanatical, if you’re reading this over the course of a number of threads where I have made a response to you I’ve asked a few questions which you never ever answer. Just wondered why? I’m not trying to single you out per se but most others have engaged and responded (e.g. Swiss Gas when I asked why he was critical of Wael etc) Some were: - why do you dislike Wael so much and constantly criticise him? - you constantly say we have no money, why when everything points to us having funds - you implied that my take on recruitment is wrong and that it isn’t a joint manager, recruitment team and board process and that Widdrington is in total control and dictates there. Could you explain how it works?
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Post by scottleroc on Feb 15, 2021 19:15:41 GMT
More than once his interviews in written word appear to have overtones that simply aren’t there when you hear him say it. He’s a brief, to the point Geordie but there’s a wry humour to a lot of what he says that is absent when it’s just words on a page. Yep fair point and perhaps I’m just being miserable because of lockdown and everything seeming a bit rubbish with Rovers! It’s just that in recent interviews he seems snappy and irritated with the press and perhaps he is. He’s probably fed up with the criticism but that’s to be expected when things aren’t going well. I still hope that, with the right appointment, these players can keep us up🤞
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Feb 15, 2021 19:22:36 GMT
Perhaps I’m being a bit harsh but he seems pretty unlikeable to me. His comments today are just dismissive and a bit rude! I didn’t hear it live so could have been tongue in cheek to be fair. Think the fellas on a bit of a cushy number. Clearly has absolute faith of Wael tho so likely to be here for a while. He’ll probably guide us to a winning streak now....!! I thought he was a bit of a cock as well
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Post by scottleroc on Feb 15, 2021 19:23:23 GMT
I see that Tommy has become (along with Starnes) the latest in the list forum fans want to pinpoint and slag off... We’ve had Bennett, Nichols, JVS, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Westbrooke, Grant, Harries plus no doubt others on the playing front and GC, Garner, Tisdale (and probably the next manager too) on the manager front and Higgs, Wael (but that’s faded after he ‘cleared the debt’ and started the training ground with the exception of Fanatical and his band), Hamer and now Widdrington and Starnes... Not saying that some of it isn’t justified but my god all we seem to do is just constantly moan and slag off our ‘club’.... (I use club as whilst the club is bigger than just what’s named, all of the above are component parts of the club).... One day we all might start getting behind and supporting the club rather than just constantly slagging off and moaning about everything about it! PS fanatical, if you’re reading this over the course of a number of threads where I have made a response to you I’ve asked a few questions which you never ever answer. Just wondered why? I’m not trying to single you out per se but most others have engaged and responded (e.g. Swiss Gas when I asked why he was critical of Wael etc) Some were: - why do you dislike Wael so much and constantly criticise him? - you constantly say we have no money, why when everything points to us having funds - you implied that my take on recruitment is wrong and that it isn’t a joint manager, recruitment team and board process and that Widdrington is in total control and dictates there. Could you explain how it works? To be fair I’m not a slag everyone off type of fella! I have the utmost respect for Wael and desperately want it to succeed for him (and us fans of course!!) I had a whinge about Ehmer at Accrington but he came out and apologised. I never slagged off BG and really thought the concept was a food one. Didnt want Tisdale and he was even worse than I thought he would be but other than that fully behind the team and management 👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 19:43:21 GMT
I see that Tommy has become (along with Starnes) the latest in the list forum fans want to pinpoint and slag off... We’ve had Bennett, Nichols, JVS, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Westbrooke, Grant, Harries plus no doubt others on the playing front and GC, Garner, Tisdale (and probably the next manager too) on the manager front and Higgs, Wael (but that’s faded after he ‘cleared the debt’ and started the training ground with the exception of Fanatical and his band), Hamer and now Widdrington and Starnes... Not saying that some of it isn’t justified but my god all we seem to do is just constantly moan and slag off our ‘club’.... (I use club as whilst the club is bigger than just what’s named, all of the above are component parts of the club).... One day we all might start getting behind and supporting the club rather than just constantly slagging off and moaning about everything about it! PS fanatical , if you’re reading this over the course of a number of threads where I have made a response to you I’ve asked a few questions which you never ever answer. Just wondered why? I’m not trying to single you out per se but most others have engaged and responded (e.g. Swiss Gas when I asked why he was critical of Wael etc) Some were: - why do you dislike Wael so much and constantly criticise him? - you constantly say we have no money, why when everything points to us having funds - you implied that my take on recruitment is wrong and that it isn’t a joint manager, recruitment team and board process and that Widdrington is in total control and dictates there. Could you explain how it works? To be fair I’m not a slag everyone off type of fella! I have the utmost respect for Wael and desperately want it to succeed for him (and us fans of course!!) I had a whinge about Ehmer at Accrington but he came out and apologised. I never slagged off BG and really thought the concept was a food one. Didnt want Tisdale and he was even worse than I thought he would be but other than that fully behind the team and management 👍 Wasn’t thinking specifically you mate - just lately there has been constant moaning about this that or the other and some forum users tend to just move from one target onto another.... like I said, some of the above probably deserve some level of criticism but quite often it’s just incessant! hopefully we’ll all get better times soon and we’ll start to see some positivity return! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2021 20:01:46 GMT
Perhaps I’m being a bit harsh but he seems pretty unlikeable to me. His comments today are just dismissive and a bit rude! I didn’t hear it live so could have been tongue in cheek to be fair. Think the fellas on a bit of a cushy number. Clearly has absolute faith of Wael tho so likely to be here for a while. He’ll probably guide us to a winning streak now....!! Very unlikeable. If you’re getting results then being unlikeable is the cost of doing business, but when you aren’t, as he isn’t, acting the way that he is not a good look. You have to earn the right to arrogance and he hasn’t earned it by a long chalk especially as he seems to prefer roles that don’t require him to use the tools that he provides. Someone on otib described him as looking like an angry bin man and I have to say I can see where they are coming from!And they have a real measured approach to everything Rovers-related don’t they? Blimey siding with someone on otib against one of ours. Honestly 365 I will look forward to you saying something good about us one day! 😉 Yes, it’s been pretty bad recently but surely not that bad to team up with that lot? UTG!
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 15, 2021 20:03:44 GMT
I couldn’t care less if he was likeable. There are too many incompetent chancers stealing a living in all walks of life because they’re nice blokes and don’t get held to the same standard of account as others.
I actually find him likeable. I like people with strong will, straight back and who look you in the eye. Sure, if you can do it with a cheeky wink like DC, fine.
Smiles and jokes win you nothing.
I also agree with above that the players are technically very good and we are missing cohesion and perhaps one or two well experienced players.
Football fans always want a villain when it’s not working. I would be far more likely to dislike the guy if he came out cracking jokes and not with a straight bat and a clear will to succeed.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2021 20:05:10 GMT
I see that Tommy has become (along with Starnes) the latest in the list forum fans want to pinpoint and slag off... We’ve had Bennett, Nichols, JVS, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Westbrooke, Grant, Harries plus no doubt others on the playing front and GC, Garner, Tisdale (and probably the next manager too) on the manager front and Higgs, Wael (but that’s faded after he ‘cleared the debt’ and started the training ground with the exception of Fanatical and his band), Hamer and now Widdrington and Starnes... Not saying that some of it isn’t justified but my god all we seem to do is just constantly moan and slag off our ‘club’.... (I use club as whilst the club is bigger than just what’s named, all of the above are component parts of the club).... One day we all might start getting behind and supporting the club rather than just constantly slagging off and moaning about everything about it! PS fanatical , if you’re reading this over the course of a number of threads where I have made a response to you I’ve asked a few questions which you never ever answer. Just wondered why? I’m not trying to single you out per se but most others have engaged and responded (e.g. Swiss Gas when I asked why he was critical of Wael etc) Some were: - why do you dislike Wael so much and constantly criticise him? - you constantly say we have no money, why when everything points to us having funds - you implied that my take on recruitment is wrong and that it isn’t a joint manager, recruitment team and board process and that Widdrington is in total control and dictates there. Could you explain how it works? Agree 100%. UTG!
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