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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 23, 2021 22:43:39 GMT
Fed up with all the happy clappers on here shouting how good hanlan is.. I said he was rubbish and so it has been proven yet again. I'm fed up with us signing crap strikers who couldn't hit a barn door with no striking ability whatsoever. He's another luke James or Tom Nichols. Get rid in the summer, if anyone else will take him on, probably a conference player at best and no better than Nathan blissett. Tries hard but no talent as a striker at this level. If you think that about our top scorer . Then it don't bode well to replace him with two strikers who got 5 between them. |
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 23, 2021 22:47:24 GMT
I never thought I’d miss Tom Nichols... but boy do we miss his build-up play. Much much tidier on the ball than any of our current attackers. I feel there’s a player in Daly and he should be given a run alongside Ayunga and as OP says, give Hanlan a rest. Brandon Hanlon has scored twice as many goals for Rovers this season than Tom Nichols did in 3 years. |
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Post by axegas on Feb 23, 2021 22:50:11 GMT
This thread isn’t meant to be a scapegoat thread just to be clear, I could point to maybe 3-4 others at least that are causing us more problems him. I like Hanlan, I honestly do. My only point I was making is that Hanlan’s goals have dried up and he needs a rest IMO. Daly and Ayunga have proven they can be adequate replacements in recent weeks. When we signed hanlan, he had a poor goalscoring record so I don't understand why everyone is so surprised that he doesn't score for us!! If you don't score goals, you don't win matches. Almost all of his goals have come from the penalty spot and he has a similar goals from open play record as luke James and Tom Nichols. Why we signed him I don't know, when there were proven prolific strikers out there for us to sign like James Norwood, kabongo Tshimanga and jamille matt during that time. So frustrating that we've got another Tom Nichols on our hands. Unless we sign a proven goalscorer, we're always going to struggle You look at his goalscoring record and I think he scored something like 9 goals in 39 appearances in his first full EFL season at the age of 21 with some of that coming from the wing. A record like that coupled with his obvious technical attributes, just scream a player that can be developed and become a regular goal scorer at this level at the very least. The problem for me is that we’re singlehandedly relying on a 23 year old, as the only striker to have scored goals previously at this level, to get us out of a struggle. That’s an awful lot of pressure on his shoulders and at the moment we’re not seeing the payoff in terms of his development. If we had JCH or another experienced EFL goal scorer next to him alleviating some of that pressure, perhaps we’d see better from Hanlan. |
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Post by pirate on Feb 23, 2021 22:51:50 GMT
Nothing but praise for "right handful" Hanlan from the Wigan commentators tonight.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 23, 2021 22:53:29 GMT
I never thought I’d miss Tom Nichols... but boy do we miss his build-up play. Much much tidier on the ball than any of our current attackers. I feel there’s a player in Daly and he should be given a run alongside Ayunga and as OP says, give Hanlan a rest. Brandon Hanlon has scored twice as many goals for Rovers this season than Tom Nichols did in 3 years. Tom Nichols scored 9 in 117 . Brandon scored 8 in 22. I wonder why Brandon is getting stick ? |
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Post by 1986gashead on Feb 23, 2021 22:53:41 GMT
Ayunga, his obvious replacement, cost us 2 pts tonight? He cost us a free kick.. the set piece defending then cost us 1 point |
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Post by CrispPusher on Feb 23, 2021 22:53:45 GMT
I just can't see Hanlan ever becoming the consistent goalscorer we need him to be. Barton's first game and he is almost expressing the same frustration Tisdale was after his final game, if we had just invested Barton and his coaches' wages into recruiting an experienced forward and a defensive coach in January, I don't believe we would be in the drop zone right now; bloody frustrating.
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Post by axegas on Feb 23, 2021 22:55:37 GMT
Nothing but praise for "right handful" Hanlan from the Wigan commentators tonight. I think he was certainly better tonight than he was at the Gills and Pompey last week, he was lively and gave away the ball less often. I can’t particular remember him getting in too many dangerous positions to pose Wigan much of a threat other than the header he put wide early on though. Ayunga came on and one of the first things he did was force a save out of their keeper with a powerful shot. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 23, 2021 22:56:23 GMT
Nothing but praise for "right handful" Hanlan from the Wigan commentators tonight. Did you watch the game, did you agree with them? Apart from the goal I can't remember him getting the better of the WIgan defenders all night, think he needs a rest as that might do him the world of good, Harrison coming on as sub always looked better than when he started. |
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Post by Gas-Ed on Feb 23, 2021 22:57:21 GMT
I feel sorry for Hanlan.
He is not and never has been a striker. Even Brandon himself was probably a bit surprised when he was signed as our new number 9. He has his qualities but goalscoring is not one of them. He is everything that he was described as by Gillingham fans. The fact that he is leading our line every week is a contributing factor as to why we are sitting in the relegation zone.
To top it all off, his name is spelled wrong in the official club calendar, which is a shambles in itself.
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Post by axegas on Feb 23, 2021 22:57:51 GMT
Brandon Hanlon has scored twice as many goals for Rovers this season than Tom Nichols did in 3 years. Tom Nichols scored 9 in 117 . Brandon scored 8 in 22. I wonder why Brandon is getting stick ? Just because he has scored more goals than Nichols, doesn’t mean he’s devoid of criticism. Stefan Payne had a better goal to game ratio than Nichols and we can all agree on how poor he turned out to be. |
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Post by pirate on Feb 23, 2021 23:01:29 GMT
Nothing but praise for "right handful" Hanlan from the Wigan commentators tonight. Did you watch the game, did you agree with them? Apart from the goal I can't remember him getting the better of the WIgan defenders all night, think he needs a rest as that might do him the world of good, Harrison coming on as sub always looked better than when he started. I thought at times his pace and power troubled their defenders and won us a few freekicks, but wasn't necessarily in particularly threatening areas. He needs some support. I thought if anyone was poor tonight it was Nicholson who stepped on the ball and ran it out of play on numerous occasions and looked out of sorts, whether that is due to an injury or not, I'm not sure. |
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Post by graceyboy on Feb 23, 2021 23:07:13 GMT
When we signed hanlan, he had a poor goalscoring record so I don't understand why everyone is so surprised that he doesn't score for us!! If you don't score goals, you don't win matches. Almost all of his goals have come from the penalty spot and he has a similar goals from open play record as luke James and Tom Nichols. Why we signed him I don't know, when there were proven prolific strikers out there for us to sign like James Norwood, kabongo Tshimanga and jamille matt during that time. So frustrating that we've got another Tom Nichols on our hands. Unless we sign a proven goalscorer, we're always going to struggle You look at his goalscoring record and I think he scored something like 9 goals in 39 appearances in his first full EFL season at the age of 21 with some of that coming from the wing. A record like that coupled with his obvious technical attributes, just scream a player that can be developed and become a regular goal scorer at this level at the very least. The problem for me is that we’re singlehandedly relying on a 23 year old, as the only striker to have scored goals previously at this level, to get us out of struggle. That’s an awful lot of pressure on his shoulders and at the moment we’re not seeing the payoff in terms of his development. If we had JCH or another experienced EFL goal scorer next to him alleviating some of that pressure, perhaps we’d see better from Hanlan. I think, with respect, you're wrapping him in cotton wool. Yes, he's up on his own most of the time which is tough. He'd be better in a two. But.. Marcus Stewart, Jamie cureton, Jason Roberts, Nathan Ellington.. Look how good they were at 23!!! Poles apart from this guy. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 23, 2021 23:09:22 GMT
Tom Nichols scored 9 in 117 . Brandon scored 8 in 22. I wonder why Brandon is getting stick ? Just because he has scored more goals than Nichols, doesn’t mean he’s devoid of criticism. Stefan Payne had a better goal to game ratio than Nichols and we can all agree on how poor he turned out to be. I'm not saying we shouldn't show criticism . I am saying the other strikers in my view are no better and neither is the rest of the squad. So in essence I could start a thread about 90% of the squad. But is there any players better ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 23:11:35 GMT
I never thought I’d miss Tom Nichols... but boy do we miss his build-up play. Much much tidier on the ball than any of our current attackers. I feel there’s a player in Daly and he should be given a run alongside Ayunga and as OP says, give Hanlan a rest. Brandon Hanlon has scored twice as many goals for Rovers this season than Tom Nichols did in 3 years. When did I state otherwise? I said Hanlan needs a rest and Daly and Ayunga need to start for now. Hanlan is burnt out imo. He’s played a lot of minutes. We don’t have anyone going forward who has an eye for a pass like Tom Nichols did, I’m not claiming that he was a lethal striker. |
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Post by axegas on Feb 23, 2021 23:16:37 GMT
Just because he has scored more goals than Nichols, doesn’t mean he’s devoid of criticism. Stefan Payne had a better goal to game ratio than Nichols and we can all agree on how poor he turned out to be. I'm not saying we shouldn't show criticism . I am saying the other strikers in my view are no better and neither is the rest of the squad. So in essence I could start a thread about 90% of the squad. But is there any players better ? This isn’t a thread saying Hanlan is shocking, we need to play better players in his position. I was just zooming in on his performances as of late and sharing my opinions on a player who is obviously important as he leads the line at a time we need to score goals. I don’t think we necessarily have any strikers that are better than him but we might score more goals if in the short term we give him a breather, give Daly/Ayunga some game time and then have a Hanlan raring to go again in a couple of games time. |
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Post by 1986gashead on Feb 23, 2021 23:18:18 GMT
Brandon Hanlon has scored twice as many goals for Rovers this season than Tom Nichols did in 3 years. Tom Nichols scored 9 in 117 . Brandon scored 8 in 22. I wonder why Brandon is getting stick ? 8 goals from 34 appearances in all comps, 1 or 2 from the bench but mostly starts. 1 goal in the last 11 games would suggest he’s having a bad time.. personally I just get fed up of his awful first touch |
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 23, 2021 23:23:13 GMT
Did you watch the game, did you agree with them? Apart from the goal I can't remember him getting the better of the WIgan defenders all night, think he needs a rest as that might do him the world of good, Harrison coming on as sub always looked better than when he started. I thought at times his pace and power troubled their defenders and won us a few freekicks, but wasn't necessarily in particularly threatening areas. He needs some support. I thought if anyone was poor tonight it was Nicholson who stepped on the ball and ran it out of play on numerous occasions and looked out of sorts, whether that is due to an injury or not, I'm not sure. Nicholson has not looked the same since returning. They said he will play through the injury, but it looks like it’s affecting him. |
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Post by madgas on Feb 23, 2021 23:34:27 GMT
He's on bad form but hes a decent player.
My two aims for him to improve:
- Stop silly freekicks. Too often a RB is heading down the line and he runs through them trying to get the ball. Try it on in the middle but leave it in those wide areas.
Thats the easy win. The slightly harder:
- Heading. He's an odd headerer of a football. I couldnt put him in a bad camp. Hes actually pretty good at winning a header. He makes good contact. But not enough go in, I think in part its the service. But I also think hes going for corners too often. A header is often close enough/ hard to read that side netting isnt necessary. Its the one time I like strikers playing a little safe.
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Post by Blackbeard on Feb 23, 2021 23:47:41 GMT
Did you watch the game, did you agree with them? Apart from the goal I can't remember him getting the better of the WIgan defenders all night, think he needs a rest as that might do him the world of good, Harrison coming on as sub always looked better than when he started. I thought at times his pace and power troubled their defenders and won us a few freekicks, but wasn't necessarily in particularly threatening areas. He needs some support. I thought if anyone was poor tonight it was Nicholson who stepped on the ball and ran it out of play on numerous occasions and looked out of sorts, whether that is due to an injury or not, I'm not sure. Agree Nicholson looked like he was trying too hard to impress and appeared to be playing in roller skates for much of the game def do not want to criticise Hanlon who has put a lot of shifts in but he needs to work on his touch and awareness . JB seems to think he can get 15 goals a season from him but not sure a relegation battle if the place to try it personally I would have stuck Ayunga out there tonight who would have had some residual confidence from the Pompey game with Hanlon perhaps making an impact late on |
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