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Post by singupgas on Feb 25, 2021 12:10:04 GMT
I'm inclined to agree but your talking about 4 key players short. Sure, if we had Anssi, Craig and JCH we would be higher up the league. But we haven't and nobody in this squad has stepped up to become a key player. They are all capable of playing well in the odd match (eg the Portsmouth game) but only sustain that level of performance in the occassional game. This squad is demonstrably weaker than last season's as evidenced by the league table. If we have the annual clear out of players in the summer (again) it will be interesting to see where they end up. A few of them would be OK L1 players in a good team with plenty of leaders around them. It's just that we've collected a load of lambs that need shepherding. I bet teams must love playing against us. That is the one thing I find upsetting. Absolutely. We just played one of the worst teams in the league at home and lost. Wigan didn't have to play well, they didn't even have set out for the win or try very hard....and they still go away with 3 points. If you can't win at home against a side like that with a new manager to impress, you have to wonder where the points will come from especially when training days are so scarce with playing Sat-Tue-Sat. Im resigning myself to the very real possibility of L2 again next season. Feel sorry for Barton I think we've wasted his time by appointing an outsider for a seemingly impossible job. I think regardless of what happen JB has to be kept on the end of the season, if 3 managers can't get a group of players playing the problem is obviously the players. There are some players I would keep, but we need some leaders at the club.
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Post by blueblood1883 on Feb 25, 2021 12:36:18 GMT
In truth I do put a lot of blame on JCH as well because players have short memories- in many ways he was worse than Matty Taylor (other than he didn't go to City) because he had a year left on his contract and IMO as we "saved" him from being a very ordinary bench player into a first team regular. He could easily have behaved like Lambert and signed a new contract- the club deserved that rather than to be pressurised into selling him.There is little doubt in my mind that had he stayed he would have had another good season and at the end of this season have joined at least a Championship club. Steve.. Unfortunately the days of people like Lambert and loyalty have vanished. What is it they say about football? If you want loyalty buy a dog. UTG!
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 25, 2021 13:25:02 GMT
Joey had plenty of time to look at the games and assess the squad and took the job. He would have easily got a job in league 1 if he had waited around for a bit. He obviously thinks it is possible. This is what gives me hope. Be honest, we dominated several games we’ve lost. We are more than capable in football terms. It genuinely is ironing out mistakes and fluffs in front of goal. It’s confidence as well. Question is, if Barton fails and we go down, does he stay? He’s not going to be hot property following relegation. He may well stay and try to get us promoted. The way we are now with ownsership situation, training ground etc we are much more set up for league one and I think we would be stronger in that league than we were before. Agree with everything you said. Tisdale had the time and budget in the Jan window to strengthen the spine of the team, and he failed. People will blame TW for it too, but his job is to present available targets based on the managers requirements. Tis also got strung along by Stockley, when, in reality, he should have had a striker signed and sealed within the first week, if that wasnt to be Stockley, then we should have gone after someone else. With Nicholson injured, we should have gone after 2 signings. I think that Baldwin and Ehmer have been massive disappointments based on their history and reputations at previous clubs, the expectation was that these were upgrades on Craig and Menayese, which they should rightly be, however on current form, either of our 2 released players would walk into the current team and tighten up the defence. We have enjoyed controlling spells in games in the middle and wide areas of the park and in fact, in possession we look fairly decent, but the issues have always been the same, a loss of concentration at the back, not clearing our lines properly, sitting too deep, the final ball not going into the box or being a poorly delivered ball or simply not reading real time situations to take advantage of or press the opposition defence. The one player I would like to see back in the game is Josh Hare, people said he couldnt defend, but he is no worse than Leahy or Williams has been and yet he is one of the best deliverers of the ball into the box from the right we have. I said months ago that pairing him with Rodman could be the same as when we had Monky and Brown in the conference. The elder statesmen guiding the younger dynamo. Rodman did ok Tuesday, won more in the air than we have previously in that area as well as getting his foot on the ball and bringing others into play. I think Barton will keep us up and even if he didnt, we need to keep him on regardless next season to rebuild. Fully agree on everything, including Josh Hare. He has the best delivery of a cross I think I’ve ever seen in a modern Rovers team. However, I may have to disagree slightly as I think in general terms, Williams is the better player and Hare appears wooden legged and due a clanger all the time. I still want him on the bench though. Maybe use hare when Williams isn’t getting change. Have to say in the Wigan game Williams was involved in everything and our main attacking outlet. Also with Leahy, yes he is a bit fragile at the back but he’s probably our biggest goal threat and the man I want taking a chance in the box. Just shows how lacking in finishing we are when we want our left back getting chances in the box.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 25, 2021 14:41:58 GMT
BH is a hard working, decent 3rd division forward, but not a prolific goalscorer.
It's unfair to compare him to JCH in style, but we needed to replace the goals, fill the gap, and play to BH strengths.....which sometimes isn't playing him ASA line striker.
Unfortunately, with the loss, and lack of replacement of JCH, too much focus, hope and expectations have rested on BH shoulders. That has unfortunately resulted in unfair pressure placed upon him to score goals.
To me, it's obvious BH performs best up front with a strike partner....v Pompey, his flicked header set up Ayunga 2nd goal, and he needs a physical assistant to create space and time because his first touch sometimes is left wanting.....but then I've always championed a general (but not always) 2 up front system in this division.
For the first third of season BH has been the thorn in opposition side, but it's easy to defend against him....just coerce him onto his weaker left foot. But..... give him a sniff on his right, and it's Wimbledon all again... BH thrives with support, it's a team game and like most sections of this team we haven't performed consistently as a team all campaign.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 25, 2021 15:47:34 GMT
In truth I do put a lot of blame on JCH as well because players have short memories- in many ways he was worse than Matty Taylor (other than he didn't go to City) because he had a year left on his contract and IMO as we "saved" him from being a very ordinary bench player into a first team regular. He could easily have behaved like Lambert and signed a new contract- the club deserved that rather than to be pressurised into selling him.There is little doubt in my mind that had he stayed he would have had another good season and at the end of this season have joined at least a Championship club. Christ, we had a manager who in the summer was signing players to replace the signings he'd cocked up in January and you're blaming a player he didn't ever really want?
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Post by kentgas on Feb 25, 2021 16:59:35 GMT
I think that Baldwin and Ehmer have been massive disappointments based on their history and reputations at previous clubs, the expectation was that these were upgrades on Craig and Menayese, which they should rightly be, however on current form, either of our 2 released players would walk into the current team and tighten up the defence. Agree re Ehmer who has been the biggest disappointment of the summer signings. I was expecting a new Steve Elliot type of leader and someone who could replace Tony Craig. Wishful thinking! Baldwin was an odd signing really. Signed for Sunderland with big expectations but loaned out after a season to Salford where he played only 13 games, struggling to get into a L2 side before being released. Think that says it all. Definitely a TW signing as he has mentioned knowing him from his Hartlepool days.
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Post by percy on Feb 25, 2021 17:17:02 GMT
Was thinking about whether we need Hare back in today. Sam Frost score Williams quite low due to lack of final delivery and this set me thinking. Hanlon has struggled but he gets little in the way of service, he is expected to hold it up, bring players in and make his own chances. We need some good balls whipped in to the 6 yard box for someone to get on the end of!
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 26, 2021 10:52:09 GMT
How about putting Leahy in midfield?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 26, 2021 11:07:25 GMT
Some have mocked JB for suggesting Brandon is a 15 goal a season man but i agree with him. Based on his early games with us i think he is more than capable of that and more BUT he was much more effective when he had a partner and will not get there playing up front on his own.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 27, 2021 17:11:45 GMT
Brandon Hanlon has scored twice as many goals for Rovers this season than Tom Nichols did in 3 years. Tom Nichols scored 9 in 117 . Brandon scored 8 in 22. I wonder why Brandon is getting stick ? Make that 9 Brandon our top scorer ! Thanks .
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Post by wsmjohn on Feb 27, 2021 17:21:22 GMT
Great work on confidence Joe with Brandon, Joey Barton's Blue and White Army.
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Post by LJG on Feb 27, 2021 17:21:30 GMT
Tom Nichols scored 9 in 117 . Brandon scored 8 in 22. I wonder why Brandon is getting stick ? Make that 9 Brandon our top scorer ! Thanks . Completely bizarre isn't it? Ellis Harrison got exactly the same. It seems the only way to get any real praise out of Rovers fans is to be utterly utterly utterly sh**. So, bad that you become statistically the worst player we've ever had. When you've achieved that, apparently you can have plaudits to high heaven. But if you're just good or even pretty decent. Woe betide you on here ...
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Post by gruad on Feb 27, 2021 17:24:05 GMT
JB got faith in him. Was saying bring on Ayunga after he missed early chances
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 27, 2021 17:24:52 GMT
I think Brandon divides fans a little as he looks so dangerous, causes so many problems but often lacks finishing. If he scores 50% of the chances he makes for himself he will get 15-20 goals a season. He just needs a little more composure in front of goal. A good strike today, scored the more difficult chance, need to hit the target more,make the keeper save.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 27, 2021 17:29:45 GMT
DC has had two games at Vale and they haven't scored yet.Goal scorers are priceless.If Man City come in for Leahy we should ask for Aguero and De Bruyne in exchange.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 17:40:33 GMT
Tom Nichols scored 9 in 117 . Brandon scored 8 in 22. I wonder why Brandon is getting stick ? Make that 9 Brandon our top scorer ! Thanks . Don’t tell T-bone. Apparently Hanlan is sh**. (He kept saying the same about Matty Taylor and got that completely wrong as well!)
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Post by henry on Feb 27, 2021 17:40:34 GMT
When running at defenders Hanson is a real handful so powerful but does go to ground too easy but that’s the modern game for you. Sort out his finishing and he will be a very good player but as I said before he is still quite raw with plenty to work on but there is talent there. I think there could be more to his game than Clarke Harris and he is doing very well at Peterborough at the moment.
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 27, 2021 17:47:48 GMT
In truth I do put a lot of blame on JCH as well because players have short memories- in many ways he was worse than Matty Taylor (other than he didn't go to City) because he had a year left on his contract and IMO as we "saved" him from being a very ordinary bench player into a first team regular. He could easily have behaved like Lambert and signed a new contract- the club deserved that rather than to be pressurised into selling him.There is little doubt in my mind that had he stayed he would have had another good season and at the end of this season have joined at least a Championship club. He fell out with the club when Garner took over and he saw the team being broken up. Why did he want to stay, especially as his family live in Rotherham. Peterborough isn't too far away for him, plus he is going to a club who stand a good chance of going up. Meanwhile we are 1.25 million better off, and remember Garner said "We dont need a like for like striker to score goals". Which goes to show what a twat he really was.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 27, 2021 17:49:45 GMT
Well done Brandon. After missing a couple of chances you kept your sh** together when you got another chance.
Some great performances. Westbrooke is the player we knew he could be. Rodman back to his best, apart from the end, defence was solid. They were nowhere for 91 minutes of that match
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Post by 1986gashead on Feb 27, 2021 17:55:34 GMT
Hopefully it doesn’t take another 10 games for the next goal, he looked a lot better after his goal taking better first touches so hopefully he’ll continue that into the next game.. gonna take more than one finish to convince me he’s good enough but it’s a good start. Well done today but please keep it up now! Utg
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