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Post by Gastafari on Feb 24, 2021 0:25:57 GMT
You look at his goalscoring record and I think he scored something like 9 goals in 39 appearances in his first full EFL season at the age of 21 with some of that coming from the wing. A record like that coupled with his obvious technical attributes, just scream a player that can be developed and become a regular goal scorer at this level at the very least. The problem for me is that we’re singlehandedly relying on a 23 year old, as the only striker to have scored goals previously at this level, to get us out of struggle. That’s an awful lot of pressure on his shoulders and at the moment we’re not seeing the payoff in terms of his development. If we had JCH or another experienced EFL goal scorer next to him alleviating some of that pressure, perhaps we’d see better from Hanlan. I think, with respect, you're wrapping him in cotton wool. Yes, he's up on his own most of the time which is tough. He'd be better in a two. But.. Marcus Stewart, Jamie cureton, Jason Roberts, Nathan Ellington.. Look how good they were at 23!!! Poles apart from this guy. On the flip side of that, look at Barry Hayles at 23, still a bricklayer I believe, or Ricky Lambert, he only scored 4 goals in 34 games for Stockport when he was 23. Marcus Stewart had Gareth Taylor, Paul Miller, Peter Beadle. Cureton had Hayles and Roberts, etc, etc I'm not saying Hanlan will emulate any of them, but I think its unfair, some of the stick he gets. There's definitely a player in him, certainly to get 15 goals a season. He's halfway there, in a terrible team. I agree having a decent partner would help.
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Post by yaz on Feb 24, 2021 0:35:22 GMT
I think, with respect, you're wrapping him in cotton wool. Yes, he's up on his own most of the time which is tough. He'd be better in a two. But.. Marcus Stewart, Jamie cureton, Jason Roberts, Nathan Ellington.. Look how good they were at 23!!! Poles apart from this guy. On the flip side of that, look at Barry Hayles at 23, still a bricklayer I believe, or Ricky Lambert, he only scored 4 goals in 34 games for Stockport when he was 23. Marcus Stewart had Gareth Taylor, Paul Miller, Peter Beadle. Cureton had Hayles and Roberts, etc, etc I'm not saying Hanlan will emulate any of them, but I thinks unfair, some of the stick he gets. There's definitely a player in him, certainly to get 15 goals a season. He's halfway there, in a terrible team. I largely agree with you, as confirmed by what the opposition teams and managers think of him. They are scared of him? But some of his play is very basic: - he faces our goal too many times for a forward receiving a ball and ends up coming back. Not many forwards do that in other teams as much as he does - his ball control is terrible so many times; he never seems to be fully in control of the ball at any stage - his shooting lacks composure. Even more so now he hasn’t scored for a while? Not just him but most of our players seem to panic when in sight of goal and just shoot (wildly) and not consider other options? Saying that, McCormick took his goal very well! Hanlan needs to play smarter with his game. He needs to learn how to shield the ball better. He needs to control the ball better on his first touch, especially when at chest height. Apart from that, I wish him the best because he gives it his all with regard to work rate.
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Post by 1986gashead on Feb 24, 2021 1:01:36 GMT
I think, with respect, you're wrapping him in cotton wool. Yes, he's up on his own most of the time which is tough. He'd be better in a two. But.. Marcus Stewart, Jamie cureton, Jason Roberts, Nathan Ellington.. Look how good they were at 23!!! Poles apart from this guy. On the flip side of that, look at Barry Hayles at 23, still a bricklayer I believe, or Ricky Lambert, he only scored 4 goals in 34 games for Stockport when he was 23. Marcus Stewart had Gareth Taylor, Paul Miller, Peter Beadle. Cureton had Hayles and Roberts, etc, etc I'm not saying Hanlan will emulate any of them, but I think its unfair, some of the stick he gets. There's definitely a player in him, certainly to get 15 goals a season. He's halfway there, in a terrible team. I agree having a decent partner would help. I think lambert was playing CM back then? As for Hanlan, his decision making will improve with experience as everyone’s would I think, but do you think at this stage his first touch will significantly improve? I’m not so sure about that part
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Post by putterbishopston on Feb 24, 2021 4:22:30 GMT
On the flip side of that, look at Barry Hayles at 23, still a bricklayer I believe, or Ricky Lambert, he only scored 4 goals in 34 games for Stockport when he was 23. Marcus Stewart had Gareth Taylor, Paul Miller, Peter Beadle. Cureton had Hayles and Roberts, etc, etc I'm not saying Hanlan will emulate any of them, but I thinks unfair, some of the stick he gets. There's definitely a player in him, certainly to get 15 goals a season. He's halfway there, in a terrible team. I largely agree with you, as confirmed by what the opposition teams and managers think of him. They are scared of him? But some of his play is very basic: - he faces our goal too many times for a forward receiving a ball and ends up coming back. Not many forwards do that in other teams as much as he does - his ball control is terrible so many times; he never seems to be fully in control of the ball at any stage - his shooting lacks composure. Even more so now he hasn’t scored for a while? Not just him but most of our players seem to panic when in sight of goal and just shoot (wildly) and not consider other options? Saying that, McCormick took his goal very well! Hanlan needs to play smarter with his game. He needs to learn how to shield the ball better. He needs to control the ball better on his first touch, especially when at chest height. Apart from that, I wish him the best because he gives it his all with regard to work rate. I agree with that yaz, and would add that he unfortunately needs that extra split second to get his shot or final pass away, a striker in form has no hesitation, this extra split second is holding him back, with training that will improve, by the end of the season I think his assists will be more than goals scored as he gets through a massive workload, personally, I would like to see him play right wing, with Daly & Ayunga up front, McCormick & Nicholson behind..not so sure on who for lm.
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2021 4:51:49 GMT
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 24, 2021 8:09:08 GMT
I find about hanlan:
- good with the ball, can be really quick if he’s got room. - is clearly tired. This speed isn’t showing up as much as it was, I think he’s beaten up.
- kind of has that rubbery leg thing Ellington had. Falls around a lot but very agile and kind of keeps balance by springing back up. It’s like he has terrible balance but very strong, springy legs.
- I may be mistaken, but for every foul he gets awarded, it seems he is wrestled to the ground and pinned to it by 3 players and the ref gives no fouls 3/4 times this happens.
I spend half the game thinking “how is that not a foul”. Nicholson last night it was the opposite. He is a ham actor but he gets the kicks. Hanlon can get assaulted by all 4 defenders, with chairs and other blunt objects, and the best Hanlan can hope for is to not get booked for diving.
A lot of things are quite weird this year. It seems continually refs give us nothing, we play teams off the park and we still lose. It feels almost like a voodoo curse.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 24, 2021 8:22:37 GMT
I do like Hanlan, but he's so frustrating to watch. It's like watching a mate make a tit of themselves, in that you know they're not like that and can do better, but they're just having a bad time.
He clearly CAN be a good striker at this level, but like Nichols did when he was here and devoid of confidence, Hanlan spends the majority of his time doing non-threatening things in non-threatening areas. Back-to-goal, holding onto possession ineffectually by taking it backwards. In doing this he's not only taking himself out of the equation for an attack, but he's preventing others from making a chance as well. I think the reason he is doing this is a subconscious need to try to effect the game and show that he cares, but without having that bitter pill of missing chances. I don't think he's yet recovered from the first 5/10 minutes of the 2nd half against Blackpool where he missed a pen and a sitter, so I agree with Joey B, he needs a goal from anywhere, to lift his confidence again, and then I think with Joey and Mangan's help, we may start to see a different striker in there.
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 24, 2021 8:59:49 GMT
I think long term he will come good, but not as the focal striker. Looks to me like he would prosper in a wider attacking role in the 3 behind the striker.
If Nicholson is struggling with fitness I’d go as the front 4
Hanlan Oz Rodders
Daly/Ayunga
Either that or give him a rest as he’s pretty much played every game and you can see his confidence is shot
Whichever way Barton goes he needs someone to now score 8-10 goals to keep us up
I like his the best form of defence is attack! We can’t defend for s##t so we might as well have a go!
So much to worry about after last night but I’m hopeful Barton can turn this around.
UTG
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 24, 2021 9:15:06 GMT
Hanlan will be a good player but he is not yet ready to lead the attack. His attitude is great and he will come good. However, the guy needs a rest. At the moment he is struggling in a poor team. On reflection, that observation could be be made about a number of our players.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 24, 2021 9:52:04 GMT
Once he gets some confidence back abs plays like he was at the start of the season he will be fine. In September and October he was scoring goals, winning penalties and taking players on.
I think Tisdale wanted a big target man which Hanlan isn’t. He was at his best when Garner paired him with Daly.
I think that is what we get back to, Hanlan and Daly up top with Ayunga replacing one or the other as needed for rest or as a change sub.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 12:10:20 GMT
Hanlan is young and will improve with coaching but perhaps not in time save our league 1 status.
He can beat a man, wins free kicks, has reasonable pace but does not convert chances.
I think he could develop into a 15 goal a year striker but is still a year or so away in terms of playing as a sole striker.
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Post by LJG on Feb 24, 2021 12:28:45 GMT
This place never ceases to amaze me.
We had one bloke who scored 4 goals in three seasons, something like 96 appearances, and people were calling him our best player, saying he should have been offered a new contract and wailing and gnashing their teeth when he was let go.
Now we've got a bloke who's scored 6 league goals in 18 games and he's catching absolute pelters.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 24, 2021 12:34:01 GMT
This place never ceases to amaze me. We had one bloke who scored 4 goals in three seasons, something like 96 appearances, and people were calling him our best player, saying he should have been offered a new contract and wailing and gnashing their teeth when he was let go. Now we've got a bloke who's scored 6 league goals in 18 games and he's catching absolute pelters. Very well said.
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Post by axegas on Feb 24, 2021 12:49:20 GMT
This place never ceases to amaze me. We had one bloke who scored 4 goals in three seasons, something like 96 appearances, and people were calling him our best player, saying he should have been offered a new contract and wailing and gnashing their teeth when he was let go. Now we've got a bloke who's scored 6 league goals in 18 games and he's catching absolute pelters. I’d say that the majority of the replies in this thread have been balanced and fair regarding Hanlan. I think most Gasheads can see he’s a good footballer and like you say he’s got a better goalscoring record than Nichols.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Feb 24, 2021 13:15:34 GMT
This place never ceases to amaze me. We had one bloke who scored 4 goals in three seasons, something like 96 appearances, and people were calling him our best player, saying he should have been offered a new contract and wailing and gnashing their teeth when he was let go. Now we've got a bloke who's scored 6 league goals in 18 games and he's catching absolute pelters. 6 in 27 I think you will find which then isn't quite so good.Has scored one goal this calender year so I'm not surprised that people are starting to question his ability as a striker. I don't think he is a natural striker from what I've seen always tends to be on the back foot so hopefully JB can turn it around.
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Post by LJG on Feb 24, 2021 13:25:33 GMT
This place never ceases to amaze me. We had one bloke who scored 4 goals in three seasons, something like 96 appearances, and people were calling him our best player, saying he should have been offered a new contract and wailing and gnashing their teeth when he was let go. Now we've got a bloke who's scored 6 league goals in 18 games and he's catching absolute pelters. 6 in 27 I think you will find which then isn't quite so good.Has scored one goal this calender year so I'm not surprised that people are starting to question his ability as a striker. I don't think he is a natural striker from what I've seen always tends to be on the back foot so hopefully JB can turn it around. 6 in 27 and one goal this calendar year (which is 7 weeks old) is dream territory compared to our most naturally gifted player ever. The point stands.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 24, 2021 13:28:07 GMT
You have to say, it was very brave to pin our attack on someone who hasn’t been proven at CF.
Ellis was a winger, like Hanlan, who retrained as a CF.
It took Ellis a couple of years to learn the role.
I defended Tommy W players but I am coming over to the other side. These aren’t bad players, and I do think they are capable of staying up, but we just didn’t get enough experience upfront. The defence is a shambles.
We will see what Joey does, but in 5 games if we are still here, we will need an apology note to Mssrs Garner, Tisdale and Barton.
It’s not so much that they aren’t good individual players, it’s that key people are missing. We also seemed to have spend the most money on people who haven’t performed
It still doesn’t make sense. On paper Baldwin and Ehmer should be as solid as anything in league 1.
I had this discussion the other day and I think the lesson here is teams need to evolve. If Garner and the club just morphed Coughlan team slowly, bringing in youngsters, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Feb 24, 2021 14:21:13 GMT
6 in 27 I think you will find which then isn't quite so good.Has scored one goal this calender year so I'm not surprised that people are starting to question his ability as a striker. I don't think he is a natural striker from what I've seen always tends to be on the back foot so hopefully JB can turn it around. 6 in 27 and one goal this calendar year (which is 7 weeks old) is dream territory compared to our most naturally gifted player ever. The point stands. I'm not sticking up for TN I'm stating that his ratio is 1 in 5 which isn't very good.
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Post by playtowin on Feb 24, 2021 14:30:36 GMT
Hanlan scores with approx every 6th shot he has. Trouble is on average its taking him 4 games to amass 6 shots. The clear message to hanlan has to be...i expect you to take 6 shots every game.
Otherwise move him from the centre and use him as a winger as there is no point having a player in the centre who doesnt shoot.
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 24, 2021 14:30:59 GMT
The team isnt terrible, just lacks eperience, and a proven goalscorer.
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