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Post by Raj Gas on Mar 3, 2021 11:44:23 GMT
And yet, 21 other players put themselves in that position with impunity. So it's not that simple. On the one hand we get told incessantly that the players need to show more guile and game management and do the dark arts, and then as soon as we get an inconsistent decision, it's 'never do nothing not ever!' Had Burton taken a quick throw-in and scored past JVS as he was making his way back into goal, everyone would be saying LM needs to show more nous. Everything is simple with the benefit of hindsight. There's a way of doing it. That's the main issue, McCormick could have picked up the ball, jogged back three for steps and then thrown it to the thrower. He'd have taken 3/4 seconds out of the game and not got booked. Instead he kicked the ball away 10+ yards.
Don't get me started on game management btw.
Unfortunately on that side of the pitch it was easy for the Ref to see exactly what he was doing. In the spur of the moment Luke made the wrong decision and unfortunately that Ref went by the rules but this game mangement is something we need to get better at and it's not just this season to be honest.
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Post by hardingegas on Mar 3, 2021 11:48:25 GMT
Or he should have fallen to the ground mysteriously holding his head - now that would have stopped the game!
Wycombe players made a career out of doing that.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 3, 2021 11:50:51 GMT
It was not as if the ball fell to McCormick’s toe and he flicked it away trying to be subtle. He has turned around, gone after the ball & kicked it well away from the Burton player. Moronic stupidity from the boy, he’ll know he’s let the gaffer and his team mates down. Unfortunately this incident has cost us points in a huge basement game, after so much positivity post match Saturday we are well and truly back in an enormous fight for survival. Trying to make a scapegoat out of probably our most consistent player this season, nice one! Call it what you will, but Ive posted nothing but fact. As brilliant as he has been, that needless second yellow cost the point(s). & far from a personal jab, I would say the same for anyone else in the same situation.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2021 11:56:52 GMT
Trying to make a scapegoat out of probably our most consistent player this season, nice one! Call it what you will, but Ive posted nothing but fact. As brilliant as he has been, that needless second yellow cost the point(s). & far from a personal jab, I would say the same for anyone else in the same situation. Williams kicked the ball away as well, but you didn't mention him.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 3, 2021 12:01:51 GMT
There's a way of doing it. That's the main issue, McCormick could have picked up the ball, jogged back three for steps and then thrown it to the thrower. He'd have taken 3/4 seconds out of the game and not got booked. Instead he kicked the ball away 10+ yards.
Don't get me started on game management btw.
Unfortunately on that side of the pitch it was easy for the Ref to see exactly what he was doing. In the spur of the moment Luke made the wrong decision and unfortunately that Ref went by the rules but this game mangement is something we need to get better at and it's not just this season to be honest. the 'dark arts' as some people call it are generally sneaky ways to gain an advantage. Nothing secretive about Luke kicking the ball away right in front of the ref knowing its an instant yellow card. Knowing you are already on a yellow makes it all the more crazy. He is young and inexperienced which is why he has been loaned out to us.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 3, 2021 12:02:03 GMT
Call it what you will, but Ive posted nothing but fact. As brilliant as he has been, that needless second yellow cost the point(s). & far from a personal jab, I would say the same for anyone else in the same situation. Williams kicked the ball away as well, but you didn't mention him. Was Williams already on a yellow & thus given his marching orders? Of course not & you know that.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2021 12:05:47 GMT
Williams kicked the ball away as well, but you didn't mention him. Was Williams already on a yellow & thus given his marching orders? Of course not & you know that. You're blaming a player specifically for doing what every other player was doing, and not blaming all the other players, and then stating you would say the same for everyone else, when clearly you're not.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 3, 2021 12:15:34 GMT
Was Williams already on a yellow & thus given his marching orders? Of course not & you know that. You're blaming a player specifically for doing what every other player was doing, and not blaming all the other players, and then stating you would say the same for everyone else, when clearly you're not. ...should they have been sent off. As mentioned by Chewbacca, there’s ways of slowing up the game, turning around to jog over to the ball and proceed to kick it down the line when already cautioned is stupidity in the least. But as I say, you are well aware of this.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2021 12:23:08 GMT
You're blaming a player specifically for doing what every other player was doing, and not blaming all the other players, and then stating you would say the same for everyone else, when clearly you're not. ...should they have been sent off. As mentioned by Chewbacca, there’s ways of slowing up the game, turning around to jog over to the ball and proceed to kick it down the line when already cautioned is stupidity in the least. But as I say, you are well aware of this. Yeah, of course, and you're well aware that we have kicked the ball away in a similar manner to LM at least 100 times this season without getting booked, and you haven't mentioned any of them.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 3, 2021 13:19:16 GMT
...should they have been sent off. As mentioned by Chewbacca, there’s ways of slowing up the game, turning around to jog over to the ball and proceed to kick it down the line when already cautioned is stupidity in the least. But as I say, you are well aware of this. Yeah, of course, and you're well aware that we have kicked the ball away in a similar manner to LM at least 100 times this season without getting booked, and you haven't mentioned any of them. Because others were not daft enough to do it whilst a marked man by an attention seeking buffoon of a referee & ended up putting the team in a perilous situation? You’re making my point for me quite wonderfully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 13:34:16 GMT
It was a definite yellow card by the laws of the game. But what’s Dam infuriating is the lack of consistency that we always seem to be on the wrong end of.
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Post by yetigas on Mar 3, 2021 15:43:20 GMT
I can't believe that matchday officials conspired to cheat us out of the game. Are officials inconsistent? Yes. Are some poor? Yes. Do they cheat teams? Not in my opinion. LM accumulated two yellow cards and was correctly sent off. If we are looking for scapegoats the fault is with the player not the referee. The fault is with the referee because he didn't give yellow cards to the Burton players who prevented quick free kicks being taken
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 3, 2021 16:08:13 GMT
The refs a lady garden simple as. Unlucky Luke and don't get too disheartened. I could imagine Luke having a Beckham mentality to be honest and coming back stronger for it. Very likeable player. 👍 Assuming he's just banned for Sat's game vs Hull?
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Post by Westy on Mar 3, 2021 16:17:46 GMT
I would recommend not kicking the ball away, it’s a dick move. Especially when you've already been booked. No brainer really! It's not often you get more leniency just because you've already been booked. Usually the other way around!!
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Post by Westy on Mar 3, 2021 16:18:34 GMT
The refs a lady garden simple as. Unlucky Luke and don't get too disheartened. I could imagine Luke having a Beckham mentality to be honest and coming back stronger for it. Very likeable player. 👍 Assuming he's just banned for Sat's game vs Hull? Certainly got the hair for it...!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 3, 2021 19:41:55 GMT
I would recommend not kicking the ball away, it’s a dick move. Especially when you've already been booked. No brainer really! It's not often you get more leniency just because you've already been booked. Usually the other way around!! It was a spur of the moment decision, I doubt in the half a second or so before he kicked the ball he had chance to think whether he would get another card or not, Williams poor back pass and JVS poor clearance all played their part in the sending off. What's baffling is how refs can still be so inconsistent, McMormick got his first card for a minor foul, Burton's CF does 4 similar fouls but just gets a lecture.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 3, 2021 20:54:50 GMT
I can't believe that matchday officials conspired to cheat us out of the game. Are officials inconsistent? Yes. Are some poor? Yes. Do they cheat teams? Not in my opinion. LM accumulated two yellow cards and was correctly sent off. If we are looking for scapegoats the fault is with the player not the referee. Victim blaming. “If you didn’t want to get mugged you shouldn’t have worn that watch and walked down that dark lane”!
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 3, 2021 20:58:25 GMT
It’s the inconsistency that’s not acceptable. Kane Hemings did it later and wasn’t even spoken to. I also agree about the blocking of free kicks. I have no issue with Luke being booked and sent off for a “letter of the law” offence, but the inconsistency is shocking really. Hey ho, on to the next. Yep. With all the people saying he should learn his lesson, it makes me wonder what lesson precisely he should be learning. Don't kick the ball away, except do, but you can't, unless you can, but you shouldn't, but you should, but you'll get booked, except when you don't, coz you're not allowed, except you are. Yeah...and? What’s difficult about that? It’s as straightforward as lockdown advice
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Post by aghast on Mar 4, 2021 0:49:55 GMT
I can't believe that matchday officials conspired to cheat us out of the game. Are officials inconsistent? Yes. Are some poor? Yes. Do they cheat teams? Not in my opinion. LM accumulated two yellow cards and was correctly sent off. If we are looking for scapegoats the fault is with the player not the referee. Victim blaming. “If you didn’t want to get mugged you shouldn’t have worn that watch and walked down that dark lane”! What a ridiculous comparison. The innocent victim you've conjured up bears no relation whatsoever to a footballer breaking the rules and getting punished for it. The point that he maybe shouldn't have been punished for it as harshly as he was is a separate issue, and has nothing to do with 'victim blaming'. He wasn't innocent and he wasn't a victim. Possibly he was a bit unlucky but I suspect he went to bed that night ruing his actions.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 4, 2021 7:41:47 GMT
Victim blaming. “If you didn’t want to get mugged you shouldn’t have worn that watch and walked down that dark lane”! What a ridiculous comparison. The innocent victim you've conjured up bears no relation whatsoever to a footballer breaking the rules and getting punished for it. The point that he maybe shouldn't have been punished for it as harshly as he was is a separate issue, and has nothing to do with 'victim blaming'. He wasn't innocent and he wasn't a victim. Possibly he was a bit unlucky but I suspect he went to bed that night ruing his actions. It’s an exaggeration for comic effect and not meant to be taken literally. I’ll put some emojis in there next time.
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