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Post by yetigas on Mar 2, 2021 23:50:09 GMT
I don't often get angry at refs as I know the job is difficult, but to give LM a yellow for what he did tonight is a complete joke.
Did he kick the ball away? Yes.
Did he stop them taking a quick throw in? Yes.
Should he get a yellow? It seems the norm now that for EVERY freekick the defending side stops the kick being taken quickly by having at least one person rush to the ball and either pick it up of stand close to it to stop the kick being taken. I assume that the coaches encourage this and it NEVER get penalised with a yellow card which makes my blood boil. It appears that its OK to stop quick free kicks being taken. Kicking the ball away is not different - it stops the attacking side having an advantage, exactly the same as standing over the ball, or picking it up. Even in tonight's game Burton kicked the ball away at least twice when we had free kicks - no action.
Allowing this to happen slows the game down and kills the excitement. Whilst LM should not have received a yellow card purely on the grounds of consistency (no-one else got one for similar delay tactics) I would much prefer that ALL actions to delay the attacking team taking a quick free lick or throw-in was penalised with a yellow card. As soon as the ref blows for a foul, all defenders should retreat 10m - anyone who deliberately obstructs the person trying to take a free kick gets booked. That way the practice would soon stop and the game would flow better and be more exciting.
If that kind of rule was applied consistently by refs I would be happy, and I would accept the decision tonight with LM. But it is not, and therefore LM can consider himself VERY unlucky. Can we appeal?
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Post by pirate on Mar 3, 2021 0:18:36 GMT
What would we be appealing? It was a yellow card offence. Very petty, but a yellow card offence nonetheless. Don't kick the ball away, don't get a yellow card. Simple. It would be strange to appeal when the manager himself described it as "indiscipline".
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Post by axegas on Mar 3, 2021 0:22:53 GMT
It’s one of those frustrating incidents where there is little we can do. You can’t appeal a second yellow and the ref was well within his right to award McCormick one, however harsh it may have been.
I think McCormick thought he could win the side a few seconds so JVS can get back in his goal and the defence can organise themselves. Normally that’s what you want your players to do but there are much subtler ways to go about it, especially when he was on a yellow card. He’ll learn from it.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 3, 2021 0:24:01 GMT
It was not as if the ball fell to McCormick’s toe and he flicked it away trying to be subtle. He has turned around, gone after the ball & kicked it well away from the Burton player. Moronic stupidity from the boy, he’ll know he’s let the gaffer and his team mates down.
Unfortunately this incident has cost us points in a huge basement game, after so much positivity post match Saturday we are well and truly back in an enormous fight for survival.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 3, 2021 2:19:55 GMT
What would we be appealing? It was a yellow card offence. Very petty, but a yellow card offence nonetheless. Don't kick the ball away, don't get a yellow card. Simple. It would be strange to appeal when the manager himself described it as "indiscipline". Exactly, we can all debate the inconsistencies of the refs which I would agree there is a problem, but Luke was stupid and gave the ref an easy decision. It's not like he only tapped the ball, he knocked it a fair way from the a Burton player to stop a quick throw. He will learn from this, there are other more subtle ways of doing what he intended without getting a card. Unfortunately we potentially lost a crucial 3 points along the way. |
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 3, 2021 3:01:23 GMT
I would recommend not kicking the ball away, it’s a dick move.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 3, 2021 5:27:25 GMT
Players shouldn't give the ref an opportunity to book them, simples. But I think we all understand sometimes it's inevitable that will happen at some point.
I don't think you can appeal, but maybe with video evidence, present a complaint.
What I'm wondering, especially with a gobby manager appointment whom freely admits he's marmite to fans is:
Is he marmite to refs too?
Is this a classic case of (un)conscious bias?
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Post by yetigas on Mar 3, 2021 7:01:43 GMT
What would we be appealing? It was a yellow card offence. Very petty, but a yellow card offence nonetheless. Don't kick the ball away, don't get a yellow card. Simple. It would be strange to appeal when the manager himself described it as "indiscipline". Fair enough, as I said LM was in the wrong so maybe there is no point in appealing. BUT....my main point is that players stop quick free kicks being taken in EVERY game by deliberately standing over the ball, or picking the ball up. What's the difference between what LM did and that? Both are designed to stop a quick free kick/throw in being taken. So why does one get penalised with a yellow card, but the other never get anything? 'Inconsistent' doesn't come close....its the first reaction of any defender to stop a free kick being taken quickly: rush to where he ball is, stand there until the defence is in place. It happens at almost every attacking free kick these days and refs do NOTHING. It seems to be an accepted part of the game. I would love to see an interpretation which says that a soon as the whistle is blown, anyone not retreating 10 yards, picking the ball up etc etc gets booked. Then I would have no problem in LMs yellow card. But choosing one incident to wave a card and ignore all the others makes no sense. |
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Post by peterparker on Mar 3, 2021 7:04:36 GMT
Players shouldn't give the ref an opportunity to book them, simples. But I think we all understand sometimes it's inevitable that will happen at some point. I don't think you can appeal, but maybe with video evidence, present a complaint. What I'm wondering, especially with a gobby manager appointment whom freely admits he's marmite to fans is: Is he marmite to refs too? Is this a classic case of (un)conscious bias? Possibly. Apparently told the linesmen twice in first 10 mins to get his head out his ass, which is nothing much and probably said by all sorts of managers at some point Probably not much in it, but when the officials see it is Joey or a similar manager maybe they think f**k him |
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Post by tecallaghan on Mar 3, 2021 7:07:50 GMT
I have seen worse than what Luke did not being punished. It wasn't great, but I don't really blame him. Any other ref on any other night and he doesn't get a card. Just one of those things. If we had put our chances away when we could it wouldn't be a point of discussion. We should be kinder to the lad and chalk it up as a mistake.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Mar 3, 2021 7:11:33 GMT
I think it's one of those if he hadn't already been booked then the ref doesn't give a second yellow. Just got a bit excited I think. We'd have ended up with 8 a side if he penalised every incident as harshly.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 3, 2021 7:40:38 GMT
The refs a lady garden simple as.
Unlucky Luke and don't get too disheartened. I could imagine Luke having a Beckham mentality to be honest and coming back stronger for it. Very likeable player. 👍
Assuming he's just banned for Sat's game vs Hull?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 3, 2021 8:10:32 GMT
I’m well in favour of referees stamping out this gamesmanship.
However, it’s very subjective. If the ball has literally just gone out of play or a foul has just been committed it’s unfair to penalise.
I missed this one yesterday as I was a little distracted but it looked to me on the replay to be one of those situations.
What’s more annoying though is inconsistent application of the rules.
Yesterday McCormicks kick was tame compared to much of the gamesmanship by Burton. It also happened when the game was level. If you’re going to penalise one, penalise the whole lot. Don’t be extreme on one and then not do anything about the rest.
Their number nine was also getting in JVS space when he was kicking the ball. If it was our number nine you know he’d be getting a talking to.
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Post by Raj Gas on Mar 3, 2021 8:17:08 GMT
Players shouldn't give the ref an opportunity to book them, simples. But I think we all understand sometimes it's inevitable that will happen at some point. I don't think you can appeal, but maybe with video evidence, present a complaint. What I'm wondering, especially with a gobby manager appointment whom freely admits he's marmite to fans is: Is he marmite to refs too? Is this a classic case of (un)conscious bias? Possibly. Apparently told the linesmen twice in first 10 mins to get his head out his ass, which is nothing much and probably said by all sorts of managers at some point Probably not much in it, but when the officials see it is Joey or a similar manager maybe they think f**k him I can't help thinking the same thing, but last night the inconsistency of that Ref and that decision that really changed the game was very frustrating as it was points dropped we cant afford. We do need to get more streetwise in this relegation battle. |
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Post by 68 on Mar 3, 2021 8:21:30 GMT
Players shouldn't give the ref an opportunity to book them, simples. But I think we all understand sometimes it's inevitable that will happen at some point. I don't think you can appeal, but maybe with video evidence, present a complaint. What I'm wondering, especially with a gobby manager appointment whom freely admits he's marmite to fans is: Is he marmite to refs too? Is this a classic case of (un)conscious bias? Comment from Sam Frost not too long into the game last night; "Rovers getting nothing from the officials so far. Barton, right in front of the press area, tells the lino to "get your head out your a***"." I guess many thought it was funny; "good old Joey, you tell em".
As an official, how would you react? I'm sure they had a good chat at half time...
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2021 8:28:02 GMT
Their number nine was also getting in JVS space when he was kicking the ball. If it was our number nine you know he’d be getting a talking to. Yeah, not sure what the rule is for that, but twice (at least) he deliberately obstructed JVS from taking a drop kick. It wasn't even a dead ball. People seem to be judging LM by the outcome and not the act. If he gets booked he's a , if he doesn't get booked then everything's fine, even though we can all agree (I would think) that the ref was inconsistent and the booking was arbitrary. I hope everyone condemning the bloke doesn't also want us to be more clever and astute in our game management. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2021 8:29:15 GMT
Players shouldn't give the ref an opportunity to book them, simples. But I think we all understand sometimes it's inevitable that will happen at some point. I don't think you can appeal, but maybe with video evidence, present a complaint. What I'm wondering, especially with a gobby manager appointment whom freely admits he's marmite to fans is: Is he marmite to refs too? Is this a classic case of (un)conscious bias? Comment from Sam Frost not too long into the game last night; "Rovers getting nothing from the officials so far. Barton, right in front of the press area, tells the lino to "get your head out your a***"." I guess many thought it was funny; "good old Joey, you tell em".
As an official, how would you react? I'm sure they had a good chat at half time...
Are you suggesting the officials conspired to cheat us out of the game? |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Mar 3, 2021 8:39:33 GMT
I can't believe that matchday officials conspired to cheat us out of the game. Are officials inconsistent? Yes. Are some poor? Yes. Do they cheat teams? Not in my opinion.
LM accumulated two yellow cards and was correctly sent off. If we are looking for scapegoats the fault is with the player not the referee.
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Post by 68 on Mar 3, 2021 9:00:48 GMT
Comment from Sam Frost not too long into the game last night; "Rovers getting nothing from the officials so far. Barton, right in front of the press area, tells the lino to "get your head out your a***"." I guess many thought it was funny; "good old Joey, you tell em".
As an official, how would you react? I'm sure they had a good chat at half time...
Are you suggesting the officials conspired to cheat us out of the game? Is that how you would react if you were an official; subconscious or otherwise? It's merely something to think about. Some officials would give Barton a yellow? Others might deal with it differently, particularly if it is pointed out, by another official, sometime after the incidents?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2021 9:05:07 GMT
Are you suggesting the officials conspired to cheat us out of the game? Is that how you would react if you were an official; subconscious or otherwise? It's merely something to think about. Some officials would give Barton a yellow? Others might deal with it differently, particularly if it is pointed out, by another official, sometime after the incidents?
Well, I have no love of match officials, and they drive me nuts, and I'm kinda fascinated by some of the stuff they end up doing in the heat of the moment. I understand the subconscious desire to hit back against abuse, but that seems a bit far. |
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