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Post by chilly1883 on Mar 21, 2021 15:15:25 GMT
Posters saying they don't want Barton simply aren't Gasheads, you just have to listen to any of his interviews to know he has more about him than any of our recent managers. As far as Paul Cook and Nigel Adkins it's pretty clear now we never had a chance of employing either as they'd set their sights higher. Our best hope would have been Duff but I doubt he'd cope with the task Barton faces now and in the summer. Unfortunately, St. Joey isn’t coping with the task he now faces. 7 points from 8 games...if you think he is coping, next we’ll be taking open topped bus tours when we win a point at home. Embarrassing 🤣
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Post by yaz on Mar 21, 2021 15:17:03 GMT
I can’t understand why he makes changes so late on in the game ie after 80 minutes? DC / GC was predictable / guaranteed at 60 / 66 minutes unless not required?
Subs are coming on too late to make any impact?
Wigan changes in injury time were just farcical?
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 21, 2021 15:21:42 GMT
They weren't in the top 6 when we played them. Like at statistics pull it in the direction you want. Is the messiah still turning down all the jobs he has been favourite for so he can sit at home?
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Post by 4d on Mar 21, 2021 15:29:59 GMT
They weren't in the top 6 when we played them. Like at statistics pull it in the direction you want. Is the messiah still turning down all the jobs he has been favourite for so he can sit at home? Garner was sacked after we’d played played 11 games, at that point he’d played against the teams placed in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 10th. Whatever point in the season you view the table from, it’s an incredibly hard start.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 21, 2021 15:33:07 GMT
They weren't in the top 6 when we played them. Like at statistics pull it in the direction you want. Is the messiah still turning down all the jobs he has been favourite for so he can sit at home? I love these sorts of posts. When someone has no intellectual or factual opinion they make wise cracks about Garner. The fixtures were clearly more difficult for Garner than they were for Tisdale and have been for Barton.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Mar 21, 2021 16:18:14 GMT
I think stockley signing for Charlton was the main reason things haven't got better. There should of been a plan B.. there wasn't. That's starnes and Widdringtons fault. Relegation was sealed in Jan. Stockley was plan B Plan A was Armand Gnanduillet
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Post by peterparker on Mar 21, 2021 17:09:02 GMT
The most interesting thing with Garner was he was at one point using Steve Coppell as someone he knew to give him some advice.
Now i am not saying Coppell would have been the right man or would have wanted to come, but Garner would have benefitted with an older head alongside him to offer a contrary opinion. Mesure and Garner were probably too similar as you assume thats why BG brought him in
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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 21, 2021 17:57:38 GMT
Laurel and Hardy would have been better
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 21, 2021 18:23:59 GMT
They weren't in the top 6 when we played them. Like at statistics pull it in the direction you want. Is the messiah still turning down all the jobs he has been favourite for so he can sit at home? Garner was sacked after we’d played played 11 games, at that point he’d played against the teams placed in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 10th. Whatever point in the season you view the table from, it’s an incredibly hard start. So you are ignoring the previous season, when he took a team in 4th to 14th?
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 21, 2021 18:29:56 GMT
They weren't in the top 6 when we played them. Like at statistics pull it in the direction you want. Is the messiah still turning down all the jobs he has been favourite for so he can sit at home? I love these sorts of posts. When someone has no intellectual or factual opinion they make wise cracks about Garner. The fixtures were clearly more difficult for Garner than they were for Tisdale and have been for Barton. The fact is all the teams are (a) in the first division and (b) better than us. (c) teams change their form. Example, we played Sunderland and they were crap. New manager, now one of the top form teams. No matter how you say it or the excuses the truth is we have a crap team, an unbalanced team. A team with no spine or fight or desire.
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Post by socrates on Mar 21, 2021 18:43:45 GMT
Unfortunately, St. Joey isn’t coping with the task he now faces. 7 points from 8 games...if you think he is coping, next we’ll be taking open topped bus tours when we win a point at home. Like it or not he’s managing our football club and likely to be for the foreseeable future,he talks and knows more about football than any manager we’ve had,if we are relegated which looks likely I personally think he will turn this club around and remember DC took us to the conference and turned us around. Anyway it’s time for everyone to get behind him and I think his appointment will get our rovers back sooner or later UTG Yep I can’t see JB going anywhere at the end of this season apart from maybe prison. I think we need to give him next season regardless of what division we find ourselves in. If we go down then it’s 90% Waels - Staines - Widdrington- Garner- Tisdales fault combined and 10% Barton’s. With no transfer window and a squad pathetically lacking in balance and leadership JB and his staff are up sh** creek without a paddle.
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 21, 2021 19:01:39 GMT
They weren't in the top 6 when we played them. Like at statistics pull it in the direction you want. Is the messiah still turning down all the jobs he has been favourite for so he can sit at home? I love these sorts of posts. When someone has no intellectual or factual opinion they make wise cracks about Garner. The fixtures were clearly more difficult for Garner than they were for Tisdale and have been for Barton. Garner is the reason we are in this mess now, his lack of strikers and four left backs, releasing Tony Craig who would be doing a far superior job than Ehmer.
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Post by cj on Mar 21, 2021 19:02:48 GMT
I haven't been on here for a few days and I didn't fancy coming on yesterday after the game so I was feeling pretty cheesed off and I didn't fancy taking it out on you guys. So I am here playing catch up on this thread and I haven't read it all so forgive me if I am repeating others.
I refuse to say 'I told you so'. I was one of the one's against JB's arrival. Numerous people on here were adamant that only JB would keep us up. He could still do so obviously. But I didn't believe for a second that he would keep us up and I still don't think so but now for a different reason. His off the field issues, was my reason why I was against his appointment. But forgetting that, I also believed his lack of managerial experience (couple of seasons at just 1 club) and never experienced a relegation battle as a manager, was why I didn't believe he would keep us up, despite many on here thinking he easily would. Now I believe no matter who we brought in as manager, we wouldn't survive relegation. Not even Pep would save us.
The team JB has inherited is clearly not good enough for this level. So many defenders yet we can't defend. We can't score enough goals. Only 2 teams have scored less in League 1 than us and that is Wimbledon and Northampton. We have played 36 games and scored 36 goals. The way we defend, we need to score 3 each game to get 1 point, maybe all 3 points. If we can't score and we can't defend, it is not rocket science to figure out we are in deep trouble.
The last point I want to make, yeah it is great that we are not in the relegation zone but when we got relegated out of the football league, we didn't drop into the relegation zone until during the last game of the season. So don't get your hopes up yet of survival just because we are not yet in the relegation zone.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Mar 21, 2021 20:41:50 GMT
Garner was sacked after we’d played played 11 games, at that point he’d played against the teams placed in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 10th. Whatever point in the season you view the table from, it’s an incredibly hard start. So you are ignoring the previous season, when he took a team in 4th to 14th? Of course he/she is, cos to include it wouldn’t fit their narrative that Garner is in fact the next Pep Guardiola in waiting . . . Same as Carlts2020, in fact. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are either the same person with multiple accounts, Garner’s parents/partner/children, or Garner himself, lol
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Post by oliverhelmet on Mar 21, 2021 20:43:52 GMT
I haven't been on here for a few days and I didn't fancy coming on yesterday after the game so I was feeling pretty cheesed off and I didn't fancy taking it out on you guys. So I am here playing catch up on this thread and I haven't read it all so forgive me if I am repeating others. I refuse to say 'I told you so'. I was one of the one's against JB's arrival. Numerous people on here were adamant that only JB would keep us up. He could still do so obviously. But I didn't believe for a second that he would keep us up and I still don't think so but now for a different reason. His off the field issues, was my reason why I was against his appointment. But forgetting that, I also believed his lack of managerial experience (couple of seasons at just 1 club) and never experienced a relegation battle as a manager, was why I didn't believe he would keep us up, despite many on here thinking he easily would. Now I believe no matter who we brought in as manager, we wouldn't survive relegation. Not even Pep would save us. The team JB has inherited is clearly not good enough for this level. So many defenders yet we can't defend. We can't score enough goals. Only 2 teams have scored less in League 1 than us and that is Wimbledon and Northampton. We have played 36 games and scored 36 goals. The way we defend, we need to score 3 each game to get 1 point, maybe all 3 points. If we can't score and we can't defend, it is not rocket science to figure out we are in deep trouble. The last point I want to make, yeah it is great that we are not in the relegation zone but when we got relegated out of the football league, we didn't drop into the relegation zone until during the last game of the season. So don't get your hopes up yet of survival just because we are not yet in the relegation zone. It’s a mental season down at the bottom of league1,Swindon go from bottom of the dregs to top duffers in 1 game,Rochdale go from outside the relegation positions to rock bottom in one swing of a JCH boot.2 out of the bottom 6 will survive,we have as good a chance as any other has of survival,what a time to be alive! KTFC
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Post by surreygas4 on Mar 21, 2021 20:45:28 GMT
So you are ignoring the previous season, when he took a team in 4th to 14th? Of course he/she is, cos to include it wouldn’t fit their narrative that Garner is in fact the next Pep Guardiola in waiting . . . Same as Carlts2020, in fact. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are either the same person with multiple accounts, Garner’s parents/partner/children, or Garner himself, lol I wondered if they were the same person too...
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 21, 2021 20:47:07 GMT
So you are ignoring the previous season, when he took a team in 4th to 14th? Of course he/she is, cos to include it wouldn’t fit their narrative that Garner is in fact the next Pep Guardiola in waiting . . . Same as Carlts2020, in fact. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are either the same person with multiple accounts, Garner’s parents/partner/children, or Garner himself, lol thout pep wanted to be a winner like garner 1.38 average for 10 minutes in a match once is all that matters.
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Post by henry on Mar 21, 2021 20:54:52 GMT
I love these sorts of posts. When someone has no intellectual or factual opinion they make wise cracks about Garner. The fixtures were clearly more difficult for Garner than they were for Tisdale and have been for Barton. Garner is the reason we are in this mess now, his lack of strikers and four left backs, releasing Tony Craig who would be doing a far superior job than Ehmer. In my eyes there are four people to blame Weal, Starnes, Widderington and Garner. They are the total instigators in project failure which was ill thought out at best and an obvious disaster waiting to happen considering the league position we were in at the time and being half way through the league programme. Total madness as is the blaming of Tisdale just because he didn’t spend money available to him on more substandard players. He done us a favour then and did himself an even bigger one by leaving this charade when he did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 21:30:20 GMT
The problem was Wael being led down the garden path by the 3 amigos,now time to get rid and let JB and his staff turn this club more professional in every respect. Goodbye TW,Starnes,BG already gone.I think relagation or not JB will be great for the gas.
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Post by womble on Mar 21, 2021 21:39:46 GMT
The problem was Wael being led down the garden path by the 3 amigos,now time to get rid and let JB and his staff turn this club more professional in every respect. Goodbye TW,Starnes,BG already gone.I think relagation or not JB will be great for the gas. He may turn out to be, however we have to bear in mind he was working with a larger budget at Fleetwood than he is likely to get here and there is the possibility that he will be unavailable after June.
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