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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 20, 2021 18:54:25 GMT
Many criticised Paul Tisdale for late substitutions but why is Barton getting such a free ride on the same subject. He spouts the same rubbish after every defeat, but I bet the match day squad for Tuesday is near identical, even though he says there will be casualties at training Monday. I still think we should of backed Tisdale in January with some attacking options and we wouldn’t be in this mess now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 18:58:34 GMT
I think stockley signing for Charlton was the main reason things haven't got better. There should of been a plan B.. there wasn't. That's starnes and Widdringtons fault.
Relegation was sealed in Jan.
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Post by alanrg on Mar 20, 2021 18:59:46 GMT
U r having a laugh regarding Tisdale did not make any attacking signings in January but decided to bring in a full back don’t put this on Joey Barton this squad is crap
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 20, 2021 19:01:36 GMT
Yes. We’ve been sh** all season long and yet... we’re still not in the relegation zone. That is an incredible thing when you weigh it up. Really and truly the way we’ve played we could easily have been adrift by now. Yet - win against Swindon and we’re suddenly pretty well placed to stay up. It’s an opportunity if the players have got the guts to take it.
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 20, 2021 19:02:01 GMT
U r having a laugh regarding Tisdale did not make any attacking signings in January but decided to bring in a full back don’t put this on Joey Barton this squad is crap Are you seriously telling me Tisdale didn’t want a striker? We needed a right back, ones permanently injured and the other is non league standard. Williams is an upgrade on the pair of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 19:10:20 GMT
Many criticised Paul Tisdale for late substitutions but why is Barton getting such a free ride on the same subject. He spouts the same rubbish after every defeat, but I bet the match day squad for Tuesday is near identical, even though he says there will be casualties at training Monday. I still think we should of backed Tisdale in January with some attacking options and we wouldn’t be in this mess now. I agree with you SG. Many miss the point that Tisdale made when he knew that he was being sacked. He declared that the forwards weren't good enough and that he wasn't a magician. We have all been let down by the decision makers at the club. Tisdale, Barton and us the supporters are now seeing out the end of the cards that we were all dealt.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 20, 2021 19:12:28 GMT
Tisdale was a bit of a whipping boy to be honest. Most of the damage was done before he got here. That's now 3 managers that can't get a tune out of these players though, what does that tell you?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 20, 2021 19:13:01 GMT
I think this goes to show Tisdale perhaps wasn't as bad as it seemed result and tactics wise. I honestly think both managers have had their hands tied in terms of what they're able to do with this squad given what they have at their disposal.
However Tisdale is hugely at fault for putting his eggs in one basket when it came to two or three attacking signings and he got bit on the ass as a result.
It's all very well saying let's not make another Payne signing, nobody wants that, but we did need to take a few risks. We should have chucked a few cluster grenades on some relatively cheap attacking signings and saw what stuck.
The lad Plymouth bought in did well today, says it all really.
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Post by 4d on Mar 20, 2021 19:16:17 GMT
Few will agree but I think Tisdale takes most of the blame. He took over a team that had showed plenty of promise during the first 11 games. We had a fairly settled team that were not short on confidence, had a clear way of playing and were playing for the manager. Defending in open play was sound but we needed to work on set pieces. We had Hanlan and Daly who were starting to form a good partnership. There was plenty to work on but surely we were only going to improve from there, especially with a January transfer window to plug any gaps from the summer recruitment.
By the time Tisdale left we had no clear shape or style of play, no idea on a starting 11 and the players confidence was shot. And the window had been and gone with little more than a bang average goaly and right back signed.
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Post by surreygas4 on Mar 20, 2021 19:18:40 GMT
Few will agree but I think Tisdale takes most of the blame. He took over a team that had showed plenty of promise during the first 11 games. We had a fairly settled team that were not short on confidence, had a clear way of playing and were playing for the manager. Defending in open play was sound but we needed to work on set pieces. We had Hanlan and Daly who were starting to form a good partnership. There was plenty to work on but surely we were only going to improve from there, especially with a January transfer window to plug any gaps from the summer recruitment. By the time Tisdale left we had no clear shape or style of play, no idea on a starting 11 and the players confidence was shot. And the window had been and gone with little more than a bang average goaly and right back signed. this is brilliant. Today was quite depressing but this made me chuckle, thanks! 'plug any gaps from the summer recruitment - the entire squad has been shown not to be good enough, the table doesn't lie. Can't believe that anyone seriously thinks tisdale is more responsible for this mess than Ben Garner. His appointment was a disaster and could potentially set us back years.
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Post by garystash on Mar 20, 2021 19:26:36 GMT
After 3 managers we should be past blaming the guy that's currently picking the team.
I find Barton's comments in the week about there being a lethargic attitude throughout the squad quite interesting.
I feel he is seeing relegation as almost unavoidable. I was however buoyed by his words after match today "it will get sorted!".
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Post by justin blue on Mar 20, 2021 19:30:08 GMT
Its a question that needs to be asked. I personally think both are decent managers who have been lumbered with a disjointed squad assembled by fantasists. I feel sorry for Joey because he has to work with what he has, but he knew that when he came here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 19:33:58 GMT
Few will agree but I think Tisdale takes most of the blame. He took over a team that had showed plenty of promise during the first 11 games. We had a fairly settled team that were not short on confidence, had a clear way of playing and were playing for the manager. Defending in open play was sound but we needed to work on set pieces. We had Hanlan and Daly who were starting to form a good partnership. There was plenty to work on but surely we were only going to improve from there, especially with a January transfer window to plug any gaps from the summer recruitment. By the time Tisdale left we had no clear shape or style of play, no idea on a starting 11 and the players confidence was shot. And the window had been and gone with little more than a bang average goaly and right back signed. Is this a wind up?
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Post by GasAttacK on Mar 20, 2021 19:35:58 GMT
Give me Barton over Tisdale and Garner any day.
If we'd have got relegated with either of those clowns in charge we'd be heading for the Conference in 12 months time. If we do end up in L2 I'm optimistic Barton will have us challenging at the right end table next season once he's had chance to get rid of some of the rubbish and sign a few players.
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Post by 4d on Mar 20, 2021 19:36:25 GMT
Few will agree but I think Tisdale takes most of the blame. He took over a team that had showed plenty of promise during the first 11 games. We had a fairly settled team that were not short on confidence, had a clear way of playing and were playing for the manager. Defending in open play was sound but we needed to work on set pieces. We had Hanlan and Daly who were starting to form a good partnership. There was plenty to work on but surely we were only going to improve from there, especially with a January transfer window to plug any gaps from the summer recruitment. By the time Tisdale left we had no clear shape or style of play, no idea on a starting 11 and the players confidence was shot. And the window had been and gone with little more than a bang average goaly and right back signed. this is brilliant. Today was quite depressing but this made me chuckle, thanks! 'plug any gaps from the summer recruitment - the entire squad has been shown not to be good enough, the table doesn't lie. Can't believe that anyone seriously thinks tisdale is more responsible for this mess than Ben Garner. His appointment was a disaster and could potentially set us back years. The funny bit is that during the summer most fans thought we’d made some great signings and when Garner was sacked most fans were still saying we had a great squad and just needed a decent manager. A few months of Tisdale later and it’s suddenly a sh** squad. And if anyone thinks the likes of Day, Van stopershoef, Williams, leahy, kilgour, and Upson Have been outshining the players Garner did sign, they must be watching a different game.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Mar 20, 2021 19:37:47 GMT
I think the most frustrating thing is that we have had some good wins under all 3 managers and Widdrington. So we know they can do it! It's just half the time we don't seem to turn up, and you always feel we could concede at any minute. There have been unfortunate injuries but its no excuse. The squad is a bit imbalanced, but the Plymouth commentators were saying on paper we shouldn't be where we are
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Post by alanrg on Mar 20, 2021 19:41:33 GMT
These players only turn up when they want to hence the wins at home to Accrington and Portsmouth
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 20, 2021 19:43:09 GMT
Its a question that needs to be asked. I personally think both are decent managers who have been lumbered with a disjointed squad assembled by fantasists. I feel sorry for Joey because he has to work with what he has, but he knew that when he came here. Garner should never of been brought in in the first place, An experiment that failed big time, We are now paying an ex manager to sit at home and do nothing while his replacement and coaching staff produce similar results, questions need asking as to why he was sacked and strikers not brought in.
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Post by henry on Mar 20, 2021 19:43:13 GMT
U r having a laugh regarding Tisdale did not make any attacking signings in January but decided to bring in a full back don’t put this on Joey Barton this squad is crap What about our head of recruitments little black book? Tisdale done us a favour by not signing players for the sake of it just to try to make a difference as Rovers have been there many times. Micky Evens, Steffen Payne to name a few. The stitching up of Graham Coughlan was the Beginning and will be the unfortunate ending for the Rovers in this sorry saga.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 20, 2021 19:43:28 GMT
No no no, Barton has the right idea, he knows what we need. If we had Barton from the beginning of the season there is no way we'd be anywhere near the bottom of the table. Our form under joey is patchy, but this is a massive improvement over the previous 2 managers. Even today, we lost but we were in the game all the way through, under BG and tis we were well beaten in so many games.
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