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Post by stevek192 on Mar 20, 2021 19:44:53 GMT
Barton is the only one of the three Managers who9 has had to do it without ANY control over incomings. He is the best man for the job and will prove to be a good Manager whichever League we are in next season. He has had the least luck with the loss of Grant, Rodman and Nicholson. The players are to blame totally.
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Post by Marshy on Mar 20, 2021 19:53:12 GMT
Barton is the only one of the three Managers who9 has had to do it without ANY control over incomings. He is the best man for the job and will prove to be a good Manager whichever League we are in next season. He has had the least luck with the loss of Grant, Rodman and Nicholson. The players are to blame totally. Dam ridiculous! How can you blame Grant, Rodman and Nicholson for getting injured? Jesus wept!
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Post by socrates on Mar 20, 2021 20:04:58 GMT
Yes. We’ve been sh** all season long and yet... we’re still not in the relegation zone. That is an incredible thing when you weigh it up. Really and truly the way we’ve played we could easily have been adrift by now. Yet - win against Swindon and we’re suddenly pretty well placed to stay up. It’s an opportunity if the players have got the guts to take it. Yeah it feels like we’ve had a million chances to stay up this season yet have gone from one crisis to the next. On one hand I think we’ll just click at some point and put three wins together and pull clear, on the other hand this season has been a catalogue of errors so why should that suddenly change now. It’s going to go right to the last game I just know it.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 20, 2021 20:07:49 GMT
I'm not sure anyone can realistically claim Barton is as bad as either Garner or Tisdale as things stand. He's working with a squad made up of 3 separate managers players two of which have playing styles which are polar opposites. Add to that Tisdale telling us all we have nothing up front after having a full transfer window to do something about it and it's no wonder Barton is finding things tough. After hearing his post match interview tonight I'm optimistic he has what it takes to sort us out, whether that's from league 1 or 2 remains to be seen but at least it will be with his own squad.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Mar 20, 2021 20:18:31 GMT
Yes. We’ve been sh** all season long and yet... we’re still not in the relegation zone. That is an incredible thing when you weigh it up. Really and truly the way we’ve played we could easily have been adrift by now. Yet - win against Swindon and we’re suddenly pretty well placed to stay up. It’s an opportunity if the players have got the guts to take it. They haven't though. We'll play pathetically on Tuesday, lose 1-0 with a sh**e goal conceded in the 75th minute and then sulk until full time.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Mar 20, 2021 20:19:33 GMT
I'm not sure anyone can realistically claim Barton is as bad as either Garner or Tisdale as things stand. He's working with a squad made up of 3 separate managers players two of which have playing styles which are polar opposites. Add to that Tisdale telling us all we have nothing up front after having a full transfer window to do something about it and it's no wonder Barton is finding things tough. After hearing his post match interview tonight I'm optimistic he has what it takes to sort us out, whether that's from league 1 or 2 remains to be seen but at least it will be with his own squad. I was pessimistic about Barton but whatever happens this season I'd like to see him in charge for next season.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 20, 2021 20:23:19 GMT
Tisdale was a bit of a whipping boy to be honest. Most of the damage was done before he got here. That's now 3 managers that can't get a tune out of these players though, what does that tell you? i agree.. I think PT came here with good intentions but worked out that the players were not good enough and had no fight.PT looked like a lost deer in his final few games.Like his last 16 matches in fact.. I think we have a diamond in JB I really do.But even he cant get a peep out of this bunch.. We go down and its TW and BG fault.
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 20, 2021 20:23:28 GMT
I'm not sure anyone can realistically claim Barton is as bad as either Garner or Tisdale as things stand. He's working with a squad made up of 3 separate managers players two of which have playing styles which are polar opposites. Add to that Tisdale telling us all we have nothing up front after having a full transfer window to do something about it and it's no wonder Barton is finding things tough. After hearing his post match interview tonight I'm optimistic he has what it takes to sort us out, whether that's from league 1 or 2 remains to be seen but at least it will be with his own squad. Who says Tisdale didn’t try to get a striker or three in? Barton is spouting the usual rubbish after games, but I bet it’s basically the same squad for Tuesday even after his post match threats.
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Post by gaschat on Mar 20, 2021 20:25:54 GMT
I'm not sure anyone can realistically claim Barton is as bad as either Garner or Tisdale as things stand. He's working with a squad made up of 3 separate managers players two of which have playing styles which are polar opposites. Add to that Tisdale telling us all we have nothing up front after having a full transfer window to do something about it and it's no wonder Barton is finding things tough. After hearing his post match interview tonight I'm optimistic he has what it takes to sort us out, whether that's from league 1 or 2 remains to be seen but at least it will be with his own squad. I’m not claiming he is worse, I am absolutely stating it to be an unarguable FACT...just look at his record, 7 points in 8 games! What he has to say before or after the games in press conferences is completely irrelevant and all I hear is a load of old bull, cliches and manager speak. Frankly we’d be as well off with a bag of Blue Circles finest sat in the managers chair.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 20, 2021 20:31:32 GMT
Yes. We’ve been sh** all season long and yet... we’re still not in the relegation zone. That is an incredible thing when you weigh it up. Really and truly the way we’ve played we could easily have been adrift by now. Yet - win against Swindon and we’re suddenly pretty well placed to stay up. It’s an opportunity if the players have got the guts to take it. I think it’s because we seem to lose a lot but have got wins in some games. 3 points makes a difference over draws and defeats
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Post by axegas on Mar 20, 2021 20:35:39 GMT
I had a feeling people would try to shield Barton from criticism by saying he hasn’t had a transfer window when it inevitably went wrong. Whilst there is truth to that, his task was to make an immediate impact. It’s simply not true that managers can’t influence the results a team achieve, just look at the impact GC had when he came in after we were in the relegation zone under DC. I never expected similar from Barton, but we seem to be averaging less PPG than under Tisdale and that’s massively disappointing for me. I agreed with sacking Tisdale at the time, but if I’d known we would appoint a man like Barton and then perform worse, I would have wanted Tisdale to stay.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 20, 2021 20:38:08 GMT
I'm not sure anyone can realistically claim Barton is as bad as either Garner or Tisdale as things stand. He's working with a squad made up of 3 separate managers players two of which have playing styles which are polar opposites. Add to that Tisdale telling us all we have nothing up front after having a full transfer window to do something about it and it's no wonder Barton is finding things tough. After hearing his post match interview tonight I'm optimistic he has what it takes to sort us out, whether that's from league 1 or 2 remains to be seen but at least it will be with his own squad. Who says Tisdale didn’t try to get a striker or three in? Barton is spouting the usual rubbish after games, but I bet it’s basically the same squad for Tuesday even after his post match threats. I have no idea if he tried 1, 2 or 10 different strikers but the fact remains other sides around us brought players in, why were we any different ? As for Tues that remains to be seen, let's be honest he doesnt have a huge amount of options
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 20, 2021 20:41:45 GMT
Who says Tisdale didn’t try to get a striker or three in? Barton is spouting the usual rubbish after games, but I bet it’s basically the same squad for Tuesday even after his post match threats. I have no idea if he tried 1, 2 or 10 different strikers but the fact remains other sides around us brought players in, why were we any different ? As for Tues that remains to be seen, let's be honest he doesnt have a huge amount of options With our structure the Manager doesn’t make the signings. Widdrington has said they have a list of eighteen months down the road. Also Tisdale doesn’t offer the contract.
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Post by RD on Mar 20, 2021 20:43:12 GMT
I was PROMISED Barton would keep us up.
Absolute horsesh*t.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 20, 2021 20:43:35 GMT
Didn't agree with garner or tisdale, but got behind them both. Didn't want Barton either, but I've got to admit, even though results have not gone our way, we've created lots of chances, love the way we are on the front foot. We've not been outplayed by anyone, in fact we've had more play in most games. I really hope we stick with jb, definitely a modern manager, with up to date ideas.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 20, 2021 20:51:38 GMT
I'm not sure anyone can realistically claim Barton is as bad as either Garner or Tisdale as things stand. He's working with a squad made up of 3 separate managers players two of which have playing styles which are polar opposites. Add to that Tisdale telling us all we have nothing up front after having a full transfer window to do something about it and it's no wonder Barton is finding things tough. After hearing his post match interview tonight I'm optimistic he has what it takes to sort us out, whether that's from league 1 or 2 remains to be seen but at least it will be with his own squad. I’m not claiming he is worse, I am absolutely stating it to be an unarguable FACT...just look at his record, 7 points in 8 games! What he has to say before or after the games in press conferences is completely irrelevant and all I hear is a load of old bull, cliches and manager speak. Frankly we’d be as well off with a bag of Blue Circles finest sat in the managers chair. You obviously dont like JB which is entirely you're right but imo the circumstances he came into would have been a challenge for anyone. He might still keep us up he might not but whatever happens we have to stick with a manager at some point. He hasn't had the luxury of bringing a single player in yet, Garner brought in 14(?) and Tisdale had a full transfer window to make changes to his squad. Granted he was limited to a certain extent with salary caps and squad limits but personally I think whatever you feel about JB the person he deserves the chance to build his own squad otherwise what's the point in giving him a contract past the summer.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 20, 2021 20:52:08 GMT
I had a feeling people would try to shield Barton from criticism by saying he hasn’t had a transfer window when it inevitably went wrong. Whilst there is truth to that, his task was to make an immediate impact. It’s simply not true that managers can’t influence the results a team achieve, just look at the impact GC had when he came in after we were in the relegation zone under DC. I never expected similar from Barton, but we seem to be averaging less PPG than under Tisdale and that’s massively disappointing for me. I agreed with sacking Tisdale at the time, but if I’d known we would appoint a man like Barton and then perform worse, I would have wanted Tisdale to stay. Most seasons there is a club in the mix who can’t turn a corner no matter who they put in charge and how many managers they churn through. I’m thinking Southend and Bradford and possibly to some extent scunny too in recent seasons. This season I think it could sadly be us. Teams that might even have been seen to have had cracking windows with cracking incomings.
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Post by scottleroc on Mar 20, 2021 20:53:25 GMT
I'm not sure anyone can realistically claim Barton is as bad as either Garner or Tisdale as things stand. He's working with a squad made up of 3 separate managers players two of which have playing styles which are polar opposites. Add to that Tisdale telling us all we have nothing up front after having a full transfer window to do something about it and it's no wonder Barton is finding things tough. After hearing his post match interview tonight I'm optimistic he has what it takes to sort us out, whether that's from league 1 or 2 remains to be seen but at least it will be with his own squad. Who says Tisdale didn’t try to get a striker or three in? Barton is spouting the usual rubbish after games, but I bet it’s basically the same squad for Tuesday even after his post match threats. To be fair, what’s he supposed to do? At the minute, no one is really playing well but you can’t just replace the whole 1st team with youth players. With the injuries and lack of depth I don’t see what options he has! I think he’s trying to inject some passion into this lacklustre squad.
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 20, 2021 20:53:42 GMT
I’m not claiming he is worse, I am absolutely stating it to be an unarguable FACT...just look at his record, 7 points in 8 games! What he has to say before or after the games in press conferences is completely irrelevant and all I hear is a load of old bull, cliches and manager speak. Frankly we’d be as well off with a bag of Blue Circles finest sat in the managers chair. You obviously dont like JB which is entirely you're right but imo the circumstances he came into would have been a challenge for anyone. He might still keep us up he might not but whatever happens we have to stick with a manager at some point. He hasn't had the luxury of bringing a single player in yet, Garner brought in 14(?) and Tisdale had a full transfer window to make changes to his squad. Granted he was limited to a certain extent with salary caps and squad limits but personally I think whatever you feel about JB the person he deserves the chance to build his own squad otherwise what's the point in giving him a contract past the summer. There’s a good chance he won’t be here past June, maybe we should of appointed Clint Hill, he talked more sense the other day.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 20, 2021 20:54:22 GMT
I have no idea if he tried 1, 2 or 10 different strikers but the fact remains other sides around us brought players in, why were we any different ? As for Tues that remains to be seen, let's be honest he doesnt have a huge amount of options With our structure the Manager doesn’t make the signings. Widdrington has said they have a list of eighteen months down the road. Also Tisdale doesn’t offer the contract. That's a fair comment but surely if as a manager you have come to the conclusion your strikers aren't good enough you'd be banging the head of recruitments door down daily asking where the reinforcements are ?
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