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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 21, 2021 21:39:47 GMT
The problem was Wael being led down the garden path by the 3 amigos,now time to get rid and let JB and his staff turn this club more professional in every respect. Goodbye TW,Starnes,BG already gone.I think relagation or not JB will be great for the gas. What with his soundbites and cliches, Climbing Everest? No just beat a rubbish team in Swindon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 21:47:46 GMT
He can run matters from his cell on Skype 😂
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Post by 4d on Mar 21, 2021 22:07:32 GMT
So you are ignoring the previous season, when he took a team in 4th to 14th? Of course he/she is, cos to include it wouldn’t fit their narrative that Garner is in fact the next Pep Guardiola in waiting . . . Same as Carlts2020, in fact. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are either the same person with multiple accounts, Garner’s parents/partner/children, or Garner himself, lol Where have I said that? My simple view is that sacking him 11 games after allowing him to build a squad to suit his style of play was a big mistake and that’s been proven correct. Especially in light of the fact the 1.1 points per game from a really tough start wasn’t a disaster. If he’d been sacked at the end of the Previous season it would have made more sense. Clearly that wasn’t going to happen as he was hired with an objective of breaking up Coughlans team of cloggers and replacing them with young players we could coach and sell for a profit. You seem incapable of understanding the point being made and the fact you think anyone questioning it must be the same person shows how blinkered you are.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 21, 2021 22:23:02 GMT
The problem was Wael being led down the garden path by the 3 amigos,now time to get rid and let JB and his staff turn this club more professional in every respect. Goodbye TW,Starnes,BG already gone.I think relagation or not JB will be great for the gas. He may turn out to be, however we have to bear in mind he was working with a larger budget at Fleetwood than he is likely to get here and there is the possibility that he will be unavailable after June.Is that why Fleetwood told him to go his own way?
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Post by henry on Mar 21, 2021 22:25:32 GMT
He may turn out to be, however we have to bear in mind he was working with a larger budget at Fleetwood than he is likely to get here and there is the possibility that he will be unavailable after June.Is that why Fleetwood told him to go his own way? That’s just Little lies.
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Post by womble on Mar 21, 2021 23:13:46 GMT
He may turn out to be, however we have to bear in mind he was working with a larger budget at Fleetwood than he is likely to get here and there is the possibility that he will be unavailable after June.Is that why Fleetwood told him to go his own way? They were worried that he’d become an Albatross around their neck.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 22, 2021 8:46:03 GMT
Update the manager comparison to add to the debate: gaschat.co.uk/post/725466Points per game wise I can't argue... shots for and against there is a difference for sure.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 22, 2021 8:59:14 GMT
Of course he/she is, cos to include it wouldn’t fit their narrative that Garner is in fact the next Pep Guardiola in waiting . . . Same as Carlts2020, in fact. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are either the same person with multiple accounts, Garner’s parents/partner/children, or Garner himself, lol Where have I said that? My simple view is that sacking him 11 games after allowing him to build a squad to suit his style of play was a big mistake and that’s been proven correct. Especially in light of the fact the 1.1 points per game from a really tough start wasn’t a disaster. If he’d been sacked at the end of the Previous season it would have made more sense. Clearly that wasn’t going to happen as he was hired with an objective of breaking up Coughlans team of cloggers and replacing them with young players we could coach and sell for a profit. You seem incapable of understanding the point being made and the fact you think anyone questioning it must be the same person shows how blinkered you are. I totally agree with you 4d. The timing of the BG sacking was odd. After playing Ipswich, Sunderland, Lincoln, Peterborough, Hull and Doncaster, all of whom are top sides having a 1.1 PPG ratio out of 9 games against them with this squad was actually decent. I can only assume they thought a new manager bounce with Tisdale with maybe a 5 game winning run out of 10 would have given us a bit more credit in the league. Tisdale was always going to be an utter failure at this level. The problem that Barton has got is he has the same squad but most of the better players are now injured, suspended or completely broken as footballers who are struggling under pressure. You can tell the latter is happening by the hot potato approach to the football we have through the middle of our team. It’s a cluster of poor recruitment and decision making I’m afraid.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 10:38:27 GMT
All 3 of our managers have done good and bad this season. I honestly think they've tried their best, but in 2 cases so far, the poor aspects of their managerial technique has far outweighed their strengths, hence their removal from position.
Only time will tell re JAB.
If we stay up, he'll almost certainly get the gig next season. He might anyway, if we get relegated.
To answer the o p, statistically atm, no. JAB has an appalling points accrued record. What I think JAB has improved is:
The quick removal of Ehmer of captain. This was probably a forced decision, if you believe Ehmer was injured. I see this as better. Previous managers were ignorant to this, especially BG whom was going to play and back his chosen captain comewhat May whatever downturn in form or scoring ridiculous own goals, or so say writing apologies (?).
This leads on to Leahy. For me, one of the unsung heroes of the season, not withstanding he has made some individual costly errors. After being top goalscorer, was dropped by BG in favour of players that had not played at the level of 3rd tier....but I ask, where would we be without his goals? When was the last time a left back scored so many in one season? His form has improved under JAB. For me, definitely better.
I genuinely think our approach play performance has improved. Forgetting the box okay, our passing is more concise and the BG theory of playing out from defence has been scrapped for the more effective "just get rid of it". If course there are individual errors within this, but a definite improvement of change of policy for me, is better.
Playing 2 up front. In this division, it generally works. We haven't started a match yet with no strikers. Something BG done by taking the p*ss. 2 up front reaped rewards v Pompey. It's not set in stone, but it's something previous managers were shy to employ. At least we've tried it, it can work. I see this as better.
Post match interview. JAB can communicate his observations better. Maybe not all the time, but he can allay that (for example): Leahy scores from a tap in because Brandon's run took out their defender.... something I and others missed, but was true. His points are genuinely spot on, imo. There appears to be integrity in his comments - we'll never know - and he remains professional enough not to blame the journey (FFS?!) and point out Daly was assaulted for a non penalty decision that was when we won rather than blame the ref because we didn't. Alot of his words make sense to me. It inspires more confidence than previous 2, I see this as better. It appears he really cares. I see that as better too.
I guess I like marmite. So I see that as better. Some might not, and I understand the critics. It's a matter of time to see whether JAB will be an effective manager for us....and time is fast running out.
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Post by alanrg on Mar 22, 2021 10:43:05 GMT
The one thing you can not argue about at least Joey Barton shows a bit of passion sadly we never saw that with Garner and Tisdale
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Post by kruger on Mar 22, 2021 11:02:10 GMT
So you get offered a new job as a manager and the work force are not upto the job,you can't get the people in and have to work with the crap you got, they try their best but you know you need to get new staff in because they can't do it doesnt make you a bad boss, makes the person who got them in in the first place crap though, how anyone can blame Barton for any of this beats me And yet you were begging for Tisdale to be sacked. Tisdale had no passion and never did it in league 1, saying I was begging for him to leave is maybe a bit over the top, I was glad to see him go though I won't tell a lie.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 22, 2021 12:34:54 GMT
Seems what ever type of manager we get they can't please everybody, BG did not show enough passion on the touchline, PT likewise and too clever, now JB gets stick for his fighting talk( not literally!) re 'It will get done' 'Climbing Everest ' etc. Now i am prepared to give all types of managers a chance but if i had to choose it would be the one who got the best results!. Given that the results achieved by our last 3 managers have not been what we hoped for and each manager was given a platform to explain how they were going to improve things i know who i would be most inspired by and who i would trust to take the club forward.
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Post by axegas on Mar 22, 2021 12:54:11 GMT
Barton going off on one about how his statistics have been better than any other Rovers manager since 2018 in his press conference today, a little bit egotistical isn’t he? Fine if you can back it up with results but the fact is in the 8 games so far with him in charge, we’ve lost 5 and picked up a disappointing home draw against AFC Wimbledon.
Goes to show that statistics don’t really count for much, we may be performing better on paper than the GC 2019 team but that team had a hell of a lot more bottle and more importantly a goal scorer in JCH to get results. Need to win the score line tomorrow and not just the possession and shots stats.
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Post by landrover on Mar 22, 2021 13:21:43 GMT
Our last three managers have been, for different reasons, very unimpressive. I’ve said more than enough about Garner and his absolute unsuitability for the job. And that was well before he got the gig. Tidsdale was just the wrong type at the wrong time. As for Barton, well the jury is out, so to speak. There’s a fairly bright lad in there somewhere but his interviews aren’t quite up to scratch. He tries too hard to be philosophical. Wael, Starnes and Widdrington took the wrong turn by appointing Garner and the backlash is still being felt. There’s no way that JB and TW will get on. Time will tell.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 22, 2021 13:43:25 GMT
Of course he/she is, cos to include it wouldn’t fit their narrative that Garner is in fact the next Pep Guardiola in waiting . . . Same as Carlts2020, in fact. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are either the same person with multiple accounts, Garner’s parents/partner/children, or Garner himself, lol Where have I said that? My simple view is that sacking him 11 games after allowing him to build a squad to suit his style of play was a big mistake and that’s been proven correct. Especially in light of the fact the 1.1 points per game from a really tough start wasn’t a disaster. If he’d been sacked at the end of the Previous season it would have made more sense. Clearly that wasn’t going to happen as he was hired with an objective of breaking up Coughlans team of cloggers and replacing them with young players we could coach and sell for a profit. You seem incapable of understanding the point being made and the fact you think anyone questioning it must be the same person shows how blinkered you are. Those cloggers took us to our highest position in 20 years. Meanwhile Garnerboys are about to take us down
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 15:47:00 GMT
All 3 of our managers have done good and bad this season. I honestly think they've tried their best, but in 2 cases so far, the poor aspects of their managerial technique has far outweighed their strengths, hence their removal from position. Only time will tell re JAB. If we stay up, he'll almost certainly get the gig next season. He might anyway, if we get relegated. To answer the o p, statistically atm, no. JAB has an appalling points accrued record. What I think JAB has improved is: The quick removal of Ehmer of captain. This was probably a forced decision, if you believe Ehmer was injured. I see this as better. Previous managers were ignorant to this, especially BG whom was going to play and back his chosen captain comewhat May whatever downturn in form or scoring ridiculous own goals, or so say writing apologies (?). This leads on to Leahy. For me, one of the unsung heroes of the season, not withstanding he has made some individual costly errors. After being top goalscorer, was dropped by BG in favour of players that had not played at the level of 3rd tier....but I ask, where would we be without his goals? When was the last time a left back scored so many in one season? His form has improved under JAB. For me, definitely better. I genuinely think our approach play performance has improved. Forgetting the box okay, our passing is more concise and the BG theory of playing out from defence has been scrapped for the more effective "just get rid of it". If course there are individual errors within this, but a definite improvement of change of policy for me, is better. Playing 2 up front. In this division, it generally works. We haven't started a match yet with no strikers. Something BG done by taking the p*ss. 2 up front reaped rewards v Pompey. It's not set in stone, but it's something previous managers were shy to employ. At least we've tried it, it can work. I see this as better. Post match interview. JAB can communicate his observations better. Maybe not all the time, but he can allay that (for example): Leahy scores from a tap in because Brandon's run took out their defender.... something I and others missed, but was true. His points are genuinely spot on, imo. There appears to be integrity in his comments - we'll never know - and he remains professional enough not to blame the journey (FFS?!) and point out Daly was assaulted for a non penalty decision that was when we won rather than blame the ref because we didn't. Alot of his words make sense to me. It inspires more confidence than previous 2, I see this as better. It appears he really cares. I see that as better too. I guess I like marmite. So I see that as better. Some might not, and I understand the critics. It's a matter of time to see whether JAB will be an effective manager for us....and time is fast running out. You say BG was going to play and back his captain like it was a bad thing. That’s a positive. If we dropped players every time they had a dip in form it would be carnage. Also, in our list successful spell of the season in October we played two up front under Garner. Daly and Hanlan played together. In reference to the one game Garner played JML upfront as a lone striker, JCH had been sold, Daly was ill with food poisoning, Hanlan hadn’t been signed yet. The choice was between JML and Ayunga with Ayunga being the only senior striker in the squad at that point for the following weeks league game.
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Post by Gashead73 on Mar 22, 2021 15:53:41 GMT
Personally, we will be lucky if we don't get relegated. I never liked Garner, liked Tisdale until I believed he was totally losing something!
With Barton and regardless of staying up or, going down' we need to see what he does in the summer and up until November/December.
I'm in the JB camp
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Post by henry on Mar 22, 2021 16:21:11 GMT
Is that why Fleetwood told him to go his own way? They were worried that he’d become an Albatross around their neck. The Tusk was just too much for him.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 22, 2021 16:41:36 GMT
Our last three managers have been, for different reasons, very unimpressive. I’ve said more than enough about Garner and his absolute unsuitability for the job. And that was well before he got the gig. Tidsdale was just the wrong type at the wrong time. As for Barton, well the jury is out, so to speak. There’s a fairly bright lad in there somewhere but his interviews aren’t quite up to scratch. He tries too hard to be philosophical. Wael, Starnes and Widdrington took the wrong turn by appointing Garner and the backlash is still being felt. There’s no way that JB and TW will get on. Time will tell. Thats why a few people didn't like Coughlin
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Post by theduke on Mar 22, 2021 16:53:04 GMT
Accy away killed Tisdale, if lost that by a finer margin believe he would still be here and getting similar results to Barton. The squad lacks experience and leadership end of. Garner to blame for this, getting rid of Craig without replacing him experience and leadership wise was criminal. Should have been given better guidance by the holy TW! Clearly felt Craig was a threat and therefore got rid. Barton needs time and so did Tisdale, so hard to stop a rot and particularly without fans present. Barton + some positive gas heads at the mem with produce a winning formula. Keep the faith, not over until the fat lady sings! Can't blame Garner entirely, though I do think he was a catastrophic appointment for the club - certainly at the time he came in. Garner was pretty much just tasked with carrying out the longer-term vision of Wael and co. I agree that Tony Craig should have been retained. The players that have come in are no better, worse actually, and it's absurd that we didn't think he had a role to play in a system with 3 centre backs. I can only imagine that Tommy saw Max Ehmer as a younger option who, on the face of it, had similar qualities but sadly that was a fallacy. Just like with the squad under Buckle we did way too much over the summer and have tried to stitch together a squad with 80% new faces, most of them young and inexperienced. Once you sell your best player and only goal threat then it's no surprise that it hasn't worked out.
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