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Post by theduke on Mar 22, 2021 16:54:13 GMT
Garner was sacked after we’d played played 11 games, at that point he’d played against the teams placed in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 10th. Whatever point in the season you view the table from, it’s an incredibly hard start. So you are ignoring the previous season, when he took a team in 4th to 14th? He was lucky to get 14th. If the season continued then we would have been around 18th/19th by the final day. Telling half the squad that they're unwanted probably not the best idea.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 22, 2021 17:29:53 GMT
Accy away killed Tisdale, if lost that by a finer margin believe he would still be here and getting similar results to Barton. The squad lacks experience and leadership end of. Garner to blame for this, getting rid of Craig without replacing him experience and leadership wise was criminal. Should have been given better guidance by the holy TW! Clearly felt Craig was a threat and therefore got rid. Barton needs time and so did Tisdale, so hard to stop a rot and particularly without fans present. Barton + some positive gas heads at the mem with produce a winning formula. Keep the faith, not over until the fat lady sings! Can't blame Garner entirely, though I do think he was a catastrophic appointment for the club - certainly at the time he came in. Garner was pretty much just tasked with carrying out the longer-term vision of Wael and co. I agree that Tony Craig should have been retained. The players that have come in are no better, worse actually, and it's absurd that we didn't think he had a role to play in a system with 3 centre backs. I can only imagine that Tommy saw Max Ehmer as a younger option who, on the face of it, had similar qualities but sadly that was a fallacy. Just like with the squad under Buckle we did way too much over the summer and have tried to stitch together a squad with 80% new faces, most of them young and inexperienced. Once you sell your best player and only goal threat then it's no surprise that it hasn't worked out. Going into the season using a winger as a replacement for JCH, and 2 rookies up front without a league appearance between them was always asking for trouble
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 17:40:52 GMT
All 3 of our managers have done good and bad this season. I honestly think they've tried their best, but in 2 cases so far, the poor aspects of their managerial technique has far outweighed their strengths, hence their removal from position. Only time will tell re JAB. If we stay up, he'll almost certainly get the gig next season. He might anyway, if we get relegated. To answer the o p, statistically atm, no. JAB has an appalling points accrued record. What I think JAB has improved is: The quick removal of Ehmer of captain. This was probably a forced decision, if you believe Ehmer was injured. I see this as better. Previous managers were ignorant to this, especially BG whom was going to play and back his chosen captain comewhat May whatever downturn in form or scoring ridiculous own goals, or so say writing apologies (?). This leads on to Leahy. For me, one of the unsung heroes of the season, not withstanding he has made some individual costly errors. After being top goalscorer, was dropped by BG in favour of players that had not played at the level of 3rd tier....but I ask, where would we be without his goals? When was the last time a left back scored so many in one season? His form has improved under JAB. For me, definitely better. I genuinely think our approach play performance has improved. Forgetting the box okay, our passing is more concise and the BG theory of playing out from defence has been scrapped for the more effective "just get rid of it". If course there are individual errors within this, but a definite improvement of change of policy for me, is better. Playing 2 up front. In this division, it generally works. We haven't started a match yet with no strikers. Something BG done by taking the p*ss. 2 up front reaped rewards v Pompey. It's not set in stone, but it's something previous managers were shy to employ. At least we've tried it, it can work. I see this as better. Post match interview. JAB can communicate his observations better. Maybe not all the time, but he can allay that (for example): Leahy scores from a tap in because Brandon's run took out their defender.... something I and others missed, but was true. His points are genuinely spot on, imo. There appears to be integrity in his comments - we'll never know - and he remains professional enough not to blame the journey (FFS?!) and point out Daly was assaulted for a non penalty decision that was when we won rather than blame the ref because we didn't. Alot of his words make sense to me. It inspires more confidence than previous 2, I see this as better. It appears he really cares. I see that as better too. I guess I like marmite. So I see that as better. Some might not, and I understand the critics. It's a matter of time to see whether JAB will be an effective manager for us....and time is fast running out. You say BG was going to play and back his captain like it was a bad thing. That’s a positive. If we dropped players every time they had a dip in form it would be carnage. Also, in our list successful spell of the season in October we played two up front under Garner. Daly and Hanlan played together. In reference to the one game Garner played JML upfront as a lone striker, JCH had been sold, Daly was ill with food poisoning, Hanlan hadn’t been signed yet. The choice was between JML and Ayunga with Ayunga being the only senior striker in the squad at that point for the following weeks league game. It's a good thing to back your captain, to an extent, but not to the detriment of the team. Too many times Ehmer failed in form, and the ability to lead. BG continued to give him the gig no matter what, that's unhealthy and leads to carnage too. There has to be a balance, Ehmer has been called out after given a chance. JAB has addressed this and I believe he's made the best decision. Something BG didn't even address. Haha! Seriously? October? Ah that's ok then.... we'll forget about the previous months (conveniently?) especially when the season started with NO strikers!? Like I said it's not set in stone, sometimes a 1 or a 3 will work, but the main reason like your post says we couldn't play 2 up front was because we had not replaced JCH with a credible, experienced striker. We only had 3, 2 of which were untested at this level. JAB has at least tried to make it work..
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 22, 2021 17:43:34 GMT
You say BG was going to play and back his captain like it was a bad thing. That’s a positive. If we dropped players every time they had a dip in form it would be carnage. Also, in our list successful spell of the season in October we played two up front under Garner. Daly and Hanlan played together. In reference to the one game Garner played JML upfront as a lone striker, JCH had been sold, Daly was ill with food poisoning, Hanlan hadn’t been signed yet. The choice was between JML and Ayunga with Ayunga being the only senior striker in the squad at that point for the following weeks league game. It's a good thing to back your captain, to an extent, but not to the detriment of the team. Too many times Ehmer failed in form, and the ability to lead. BG continued to give him the gig no matter what, that's unhealthy and leads to carnage too. There has to be a balance, Ehmer has been called out after given a chance. JAB has addressed this and I believe he's made the best decision. Something BG didn't even address. Haha! Seriously? October? Ah that's ok then.... we'll forget about the previous months (conveniently?) especially when the season started with NO strikers!? Like I said it's not set in stone, sometimes a 1 or a 3 will work, but the main reason like your post says we couldn't play 2 up front was because we had not replaced JCH with a credible, experienced striker. We only had 3, 2 of which were untested at this level. JAB has at least tried to make it work.. we keep forgetting the only games that mattered under groaner were the ones he won. The others are removed from the historical records
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 17:47:38 GMT
"groaner"
Haha! 😂🤣
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 18:14:20 GMT
You say BG was going to play and back his captain like it was a bad thing. That’s a positive. If we dropped players every time they had a dip in form it would be carnage. Also, in our list successful spell of the season in October we played two up front under Garner. Daly and Hanlan played together. In reference to the one game Garner played JML upfront as a lone striker, JCH had been sold, Daly was ill with food poisoning, Hanlan hadn’t been signed yet. The choice was between JML and Ayunga with Ayunga being the only senior striker in the squad at that point for the following weeks league game. It's a good thing to back your captain, to an extent, but not to the detriment of the team. Too many times Ehmer failed in form, and the ability to lead. BG continued to give him the gig no matter what, that's unhealthy and leads to carnage too. There has to be a balance, Ehmer has been called out after given a chance. JAB has addressed this and I believe he's made the best decision. Something BG didn't even address. Haha! Seriously? October? Ah that's ok then.... we'll forget about the previous months (conveniently?) especially when the season started with NO strikers!? Like I said it's not set in stone, sometimes a 1 or a 3 will work, but the main reason like your post says we couldn't play 2 up front was because we had not replaced JCH with a credible, experienced striker. We only had 3, 2 of which were untested at this level. JAB has at least tried to make it work.. So JAB calling Ehmer out in the media and embarrassing the guy is “dealing” with it. It smacks of desperation to me and is embarrassing for our club. For a man that has had his fair share of being ripped to bits in the media I am extremely disappointed. Look at Garners 2 up front in 11 games. They scored goals together, they worked well together and we had a settled, fixed team. 3 bad results in very tough fixtures and it’s blown out of the water.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 18:17:39 GMT
Can't blame Garner entirely, though I do think he was a catastrophic appointment for the club - certainly at the time he came in. Garner was pretty much just tasked with carrying out the longer-term vision of Wael and co. I agree that Tony Craig should have been retained. The players that have come in are no better, worse actually, and it's absurd that we didn't think he had a role to play in a system with 3 centre backs. I can only imagine that Tommy saw Max Ehmer as a younger option who, on the face of it, had similar qualities but sadly that was a fallacy. Just like with the squad under Buckle we did way too much over the summer and have tried to stitch together a squad with 80% new faces, most of them young and inexperienced. Once you sell your best player and only goal threat then it's no surprise that it hasn't worked out. Going into the season using a winger as a replacement for JCH, and 2 rookies up front without a league appearance between them was always asking for trouble Whoever came in as manager had to deal with JCH leaving. He was never staying! As for Craig he is now in a mid table, league two team who have the 3rd worst defensive record of the top 15 teams in league two. You write your posts like he went to bloody Barcelona!
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 18:20:52 GMT
It's a good thing to back your captain, to an extent, but not to the detriment of the team. Too many times Ehmer failed in form, and the ability to lead. BG continued to give him the gig no matter what, that's unhealthy and leads to carnage too. There has to be a balance, Ehmer has been called out after given a chance. JAB has addressed this and I believe he's made the best decision. Something BG didn't even address. Haha! Seriously? October? Ah that's ok then.... we'll forget about the previous months (conveniently?) especially when the season started with NO strikers!? Like I said it's not set in stone, sometimes a 1 or a 3 will work, but the main reason like your post says we couldn't play 2 up front was because we had not replaced JCH with a credible, experienced striker. We only had 3, 2 of which were untested at this level. JAB has at least tried to make it work.. we keep forgetting the only games that mattered under groaner were the ones he won. The others are removed from the historical records Another idiotic post. We are talking about all the games managed this season by all 3 managers. Do you revel in being the village idiot or is it a sponsored Moronathon?
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Post by 4d on Mar 22, 2021 18:21:09 GMT
All 3 of our managers have done good and bad this season. I honestly think they've tried their best, but in 2 cases so far, the poor aspects of their managerial technique has far outweighed their strengths, hence their removal from position. Only time will tell re JAB. If we stay up, he'll almost certainly get the gig next season. He might anyway, if we get relegated. To answer the o p, statistically atm, no. JAB has an appalling points accrued record. What I think JAB has improved is: The quick removal of Ehmer of captain. This was probably a forced decision, if you believe Ehmer was injured. I see this as better. Previous managers were ignorant to this, especially BG whom was going to play and back his chosen captain comewhat May whatever downturn in form or scoring ridiculous own goals, or so say writing apologies (?). Not sure there’s any evidence to suggest that. Whilst Ehmer didn’t Quite live up to the high expectations in those first 11 games he was far from awful. Go and look at the player ratings threads if you want evidence of that - I can’t be bothered to do the maths but I’d bet he averages more than most in those 11 games and had a few mom performances. Just another player, like Hanlan, that Tisdale and so far Barton, haven’t been able to get as much out of as Garner did. I also think Garners treatment of Barrett showed he wouldn’t accept anyone falling below the standards required.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 18:28:21 GMT
Anyone slagging off Max Ehmer please search this thread and read every single post:
“Max Ehmer latest signing”
I can’t believe how negative, vindictive and downright embarrassing some of the so called fans on this forum can be.
Have a look back at all of your own posts this season And last and see how many of our players, our managers, our coaches etc you have slagged off.
So many can hang their head in shame. Great clubs win together and lose together. Jumping on Barton’s bandwagon slagging Ehmer off is disgusting and disgraceful.
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 22, 2021 18:35:13 GMT
Going into the season using a winger as a replacement for JCH, and 2 rookies up front without a league appearance between them was always asking for trouble Whoever came in as manager had to deal with JCH leaving. He was never staying! As for Craig he is now in a mid table, league two team who have the 3rd worst defensive record of the top 15 teams in league two. You write your posts like he went to bloody Barcelona! 3rd worst defensive record of the Top 15 teams is without doubt my new favourite selective stat you’ve used to backup your point. You are a tonic in these depressing times!
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
Whoever came in as manager had to deal with JCH leaving. He was never staying! As for Craig he is now in a mid table, league two team who have the 3rd worst defensive record of the top 15 teams in league two. You write your posts like he went to bloody Barcelona! 3rd worst defensive record of the Top 15 teams is without doubt my new favourite selective stat you’ve used to backup your point. You are a tonic in these depressing times! Selective stat or actual stat. What did I select it from? Did I choose it from a set of stats? It’s actually, factually 100% correct. Please do prove me wrong. TC is now part of a below average defence in League 2
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 22, 2021 18:57:50 GMT
3rd worst defensive record of the Top 15 teams is without doubt my new favourite selective stat you’ve used to backup your point. You are a tonic in these depressing times! Selective stat or actual stat. What did I select it from? Did I choose it from a set of stats? It’s actually, factually 100% correct. Please do prove me wrong. TC is now part of a below average defence in League 2 Both! I didn’t say it was inaccurate. I just love how you select the data to suit your narrative. Did you know if you take the first 2 midweek matches from when a manager took over that happened to be at home and above 12 degrees celcius outside and a pollen count of low, BG is the best manager in Rovers history?
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 22, 2021 18:58:33 GMT
3rd worst defensive record of the Top 15 teams is without doubt my new favourite selective stat you’ve used to backup your point. You are a tonic in these depressing times! Selective stat or actual stat. What did I select it from? Did I choose it from a set of stats? It’s actually, factually 100% correct. Please do prove me wrong. TC is now part of a below average defence in League 2 So would you have Tony Craig above any of our current centre halves? I see GC has a new job, anybody employed Ben yet? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Gashead73 on Mar 22, 2021 19:12:37 GMT
Whatever you all think Relegation is seriously on the cards, over all the games since the season started you think JB is the problem?
No, PT BG and a disinterested squad is the problem.....
I recall us having a squad worth about £70,000
We won the Dam league' not because of the Manager, but because the Manager instilled belief and we had players that loved the Badge!!!
Give JB some slack, let him build' League 2 or 1
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 19:19:57 GMT
Going into the season using a winger as a replacement for JCH, and 2 rookies up front without a league appearance between them was always asking for trouble Whoever came in as manager had to deal with JCH leaving. He was never staying! Maybe so, but the point is JCH was never replaced. No experienced at 3rd division standard striker. BG never even considered it.....to start the season without a recognised striker at all shows BG intentions. We are reaping those rewards. As for JAB dealing with Ehmer, yes. He is. His motivational press release might not meet with everyone's approval, but then BG post match comments on journeys didn't either.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:25:53 GMT
Selective stat or actual stat. What did I select it from? Did I choose it from a set of stats? It’s actually, factually 100% correct. Please do prove me wrong. TC is now part of a below average defence in League 2 Both! I didn’t say it was inaccurate. I just love how you select the data to suit your narrative. Did you know if you take the first 2 midweek matches from when a manager took over that happened to be at home and above 12 degrees celcius outside and a pollen count of low, BG is the best manager in Rovers history? Great post. Really, really made me think.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:26:48 GMT
Selective stat or actual stat. What did I select it from? Did I choose it from a set of stats? It’s actually, factually 100% correct. Please do prove me wrong. TC is now part of a below average defence in League 2 So would you have Tony Craig above any of our current centre halves? I see GC has a new job, anybody employed Ben yet? Asking for a friend. I don’t think TC would have coped with being played in 4 different positions with 3 different managers. Do you?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 19:26:50 GMT
Both! I didn’t say it was inaccurate. I just love how you select the data to suit your narrative. Did you know if you take the first 2 midweek matches from when a manager took over that happened to be at home and above 12 degrees celcius outside and a pollen count of low, BG is the best manager in Rovers history? Great post. Really, really made me think. I thought it was quite orgasmic myself...
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:27:47 GMT
Whoever came in as manager had to deal with JCH leaving. He was never staying! Maybe so, but the point is JCH was never replaced. No experienced at 3rd division standard striker. BG never even considered it.....to start the season without a recognised striker at all shows BG intentions. We are reaping those rewards. As for JAB dealing with Ehmer, yes. He is. His motivational press release might not meet with everyone's approval, but then BG post match comments on journeys didn't either. “BG never even considered it” Any evidence or proof to back this up?
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