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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 19:27:54 GMT
So would you have Tony Craig above any of our current centre halves? I see GC has a new job, anybody employed Ben yet? Asking for a friend. I don’t think TC would have coped with being played in 4 different positions with 3 different managers. Do you? He didn't and wouldn't need to. He was half decent at what he was brought into to do.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 19:31:59 GMT
Maybe so, but the point is JCH was never replaced. No experienced at 3rd division standard striker. BG never even considered it.....to start the season without a recognised striker at all shows BG intentions. We are reaping those rewards. As for JAB dealing with Ehmer, yes. He is. His motivational press release might not meet with everyone's approval, but then BG post match comments on journeys didn't either. “BG never even considered it” Any evidence or proof to back this up? Yes. BG on record saying he wasn't looking for like for like (JCH) replacement. To start the season with NO striker on the pitch, then bring one on at half time when we had already lost springs of naivity being kind, or clueless not. But then again it was the journey, wasn't it?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 22, 2021 19:32:27 GMT
Maybe so, but the point is JCH was never replaced. No experienced at 3rd division standard striker. BG never even considered it.....to start the season without a recognised striker at all shows BG intentions. We are reaping those rewards. As for JAB dealing with Ehmer, yes. He is. His motivational press release might not meet with everyone's approval, but then BG post match comments on journeys didn't either. “BG never even considered it” Any evidence or proof to back this up? The fact he only signed inexperienced strikers surely backs that view up?
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:34:30 GMT
“BG never even considered it” Any evidence or proof to back this up? Yes. BG on record saying he wasn't looking for like for like (JCH) replacement. To start the season with NO striker on the pitch, then bring one on at half time when we had already lost springs of naivity being kind, or clueless not. But then again it was the journey, wasn't it? He played Hanlan and Daly up top together for the majority of the games he managed in the league this season. Why don’t you do your research just a little bit? It’s so boring. Also have a look through this from Axegas on the “how long do we give garner” thread. Makes a lot of sense. He hasn't been given the opportunity to get results yet this season, why let him make a load of new signings in the summer only to sack him at the first chance? All I think we should do, is wait at least 10-15 games to see how this new look team performs before properly coming to a decision about how good we are going to be under Garner this year. I watched the game yesterday, I thought we weren't very good, but I'm not immediately losing it because I know I haven't seen enough of this Rovers side yet. Every team has their bad days and every team has the scope to learn and grow. I'm not going to simply forget how we performed under Garner last season but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that things weren't easy with his absence, a tough run of games and Couglan's sudden exit demoralising the squad and judge him based on the things I see from his side this season, which at this moment is pretty impossible with the season having not even got underway yet.
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 22, 2021 19:35:29 GMT
So would you have Tony Craig above any of our current centre halves? I see GC has a new job, anybody employed Ben yet? Asking for a friend. I don’t think TC would have coped with being played in 4 different positions with 3 different managers. Do you? Any sensible Manager wouldn’t of got rid of his experience in the first place, Garners biggest mistake. Any other Manager would pick Tony Craig at Centre Half his natural position, he’d also give it his all unlike some currently in the team, Max Ehmer being one. Any news on anyone employing Garner after his disastrous spell here?
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:36:05 GMT
“BG never even considered it” Any evidence or proof to back this up? The fact he only signed inexperienced strikers surely backs that view up? He signed Hanlan...experienced at League 1 to the tune of 80 odd games. On top of that how does anyone know who and what Garner put forward to sign to Widdrington and Starnes?
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:36:27 GMT
I don’t think TC would have coped with being played in 4 different positions with 3 different managers. Do you? Any sensible Manager wouldn’t of got rid of his experience in the first place, Garners biggest mistake. Any other Manager would pick Tony Craig at Centre Half his natural position, he’d also give it his all unlike some currently in the team, Max Ehmer being one. Any news on anyone employing Garner after his disastrous spell here? You didn’t answer the question.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:37:16 GMT
I don’t think TC would have coped with being played in 4 different positions with 3 different managers. Do you? He didn't and wouldn't need to. He was half decent at what he was brought into to do. So was Ehmer
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 22, 2021 19:39:17 GMT
Any sensible Manager wouldn’t of got rid of his experience in the first place, Garners biggest mistake. Any other Manager would pick Tony Craig at Centre Half his natural position, he’d also give it his all unlike some currently in the team, Max Ehmer being one. Any news on anyone employing Garner after his disastrous spell here? You didn’t answer the question. I did, you’re just selective with your posts and statistics. Tony Craig would prove his worth and play at Centre Half with someone alongside him.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 19:42:08 GMT
He didn't and wouldn't need to. He was half decent at what he was brought into to do. So was Ehmer Apparently, not. Although going forward, Ehmer looked to get himself in decent positions and got the odd goal. In our net too!
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Post by 4d on Mar 22, 2021 19:46:13 GMT
I don’t think TC would have coped with being played in 4 different positions with 3 different managers. Do you? Any sensible Manager wouldn’t of got rid of his experience in the first place, Garners biggest mistake. Any other Manager would pick Tony Craig at Centre Half his natural position, he’d also give it his all unlike some currently in the team, Max Ehmer being one. Any news on anyone employing Garner after his disastrous spell here? In hindsight it’s easy to say but at the time replacing 35 year old Tony Craig with a 29 year old Max Ehmer, a captain and proven quality league 1 defender, didn’t seem like a crazy decision.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 19:46:34 GMT
The fact he only signed inexperienced strikers surely backs that view up? He signed Hanlan...experienced at League 1 to the tune of 80 odd games. On top of that how does anyone know who and what Garner put forward to sign to Widdrington and Starnes? But not as an out and out striker. Gillingham forum, most had the opinion BH was more wide player. And it's certainly an extremely tall order to suggest BH could replace the goalscoring prowess of JCH. We are short on strikers, lacking credible replacement for JCH and BG has to be accountable for choosing to start the season like this. Notice no comments on starting the season with NO strikers!!?
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 19:48:12 GMT
He signed Hanlan...experienced at League 1 to the tune of 80 odd games. On top of that how does anyone know who and what Garner put forward to sign to Widdrington and Starnes? But not as an out and out striker. Gillingham forum, most had the opinion BH was more wide player. And it's certainly an extremely tall order to suggest BH could replace the goalscoring prowess of JCH. We are short on strikers, lacking credible replacement for JCH and BG has to be accountable for choosing to start the season like this. Notice no comments on starting the season with NO strikers!!? First league game of the season we started with Hanlan up front and drew 1-1 away to Sunderland
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 22, 2021 19:49:18 GMT
Selective stat or actual stat. What did I select it from? Did I choose it from a set of stats? It’s actually, factually 100% correct. Please do prove me wrong. TC is now part of a below average defence in League 2 Both! I didn’t say it was inaccurate. I just love how you select the data to suit your narrative. Did you know if you take the first 2 midweek matches from when a manager took over that happened to be at home and above 12 degrees celcius outside and a pollen count of low, BG is the best manager in Rovers history? dont have a go at ben. He will get upset with you.dont you know he was instrumental in shaping our success
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 22, 2021 19:49:28 GMT
Selective stat or actual stat. What did I select it from? Did I choose it from a set of stats? It’s actually, factually 100% correct. Please do prove me wrong. TC is now part of a below average defence in League 2 Both! I didn’t say it was inaccurate. I just love how you select the data to suit your narrative. Did you know if you take the first 2 midweek matches from when a manager took over that happened to be at home and above 12 degrees celcius outside and a pollen count of low, BG is the best manager in Rovers history? dont have a go at ben. He will get upset with you.dont you know he was instrumental in shaping our success
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2021 19:49:49 GMT
But not as an out and out striker. Gillingham forum, most had the opinion BH was more wide player. And it's certainly an extremely tall order to suggest BH could replace the goalscoring prowess of JCH. We are short on strikers, lacking credible replacement for JCH and BG has to be accountable for choosing to start the season like this. Notice no comments on starting the season with NO strikers!!? First league game of the season we started with Hanlan up front and drew 1-1 away to Sunderland Tut tut.. That wasn't the first competitive match of the season....why don't you do your research, it's so boring! 😁 Haha!
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 22, 2021 19:59:10 GMT
I don’t think TC would have coped with being played in 4 different positions with 3 different managers. Do you? Any sensible Manager wouldn’t of got rid of his experience in the first place, Garners biggest mistake. Any other Manager would pick Tony Craig at Centre Half his natural position, he’d also give it his all unlike some currently in the team, Max Ehmer being one. Any news on anyone employing Garner after his disastrous spell here? highways agency interested in his ability of cone laying at speed.
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Post by socrates on Mar 22, 2021 19:59:47 GMT
The problem was Wael being led down the garden path by the 3 amigos,now time to get rid and let JB and his staff turn this club more professional in every respect. Goodbye TW,Starnes,BG already gone.I think relagation or not JB will be great for the gas. What with his soundbites and cliches, Climbing Everest? No just beat a rubbish team in Swindon. Small steps. The performances and chances created have been decent Swindon up next , must win game.
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Post by 4d on Mar 22, 2021 20:03:43 GMT
Let’s be honest we’re never gonna be in the market for a proven league 1 goalscorer, probably not even league 2, these players go for serious money and we just can’t compete. I’d say a player like Hanlan is about the best we could hope for other than taking a punt on a non league player or one not wanted elsewhere.
Goalscorers are the hardest thing to find and a good one makes the difference between a poor league 1 team or a decent one. Having the leagues best striker in JCH turned us from relegation candidates to a top half team.
How many strikers have we signed in the last 20 years and how many have actually turned out to be any good?
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Post by socrates on Mar 22, 2021 20:06:07 GMT
Going into the season using a winger as a replacement for JCH, and 2 rookies up front without a league appearance between them was always asking for trouble Whoever came in as manager had to deal with JCH leaving. He was never staying! As for Craig he is now in a mid table, league two team who have the 3rd worst defensive record of the top 15 teams in league two. You write your posts like he went to bloody Barcelona! Central defensive positions are all about partnerships and Kilgour and Craig were very good together In a partnership. Alfie hasn’t been the same since Craig left , I don’t know how Tony’s getting on perhaps he’s been brilliant for them or poor I don’t know. Just because a player drops a league lower than yourselves doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be playing an important part in your squad if he was still here. I reckon over half the teams in league 2 would beat our current squad.
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