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Post by Westy on Mar 24, 2021 21:54:29 GMT
Just speaking the truth though surely? Isn't that what we've been doing the last 18 months. And we're not exactly wrong either... Speak the truth at the end of the campaign He’s being paid to keep us up, his actions are not going to inspire confidence when most needed? I get it, but if credit is due where credit is due, then so is criticism. Blowing smoke up the lads as ain't working, perhaps a hairdryer over the locker room might?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 24, 2021 22:02:09 GMT
Brilliantly put , biggest bunch of pricks to ever grace our shirt , actually can’t stand any of them and want the season to end so hopefully the majority can f**k off and never ‘play’ for us again , I don’t like being so negative towards our players but the impression I get from them is , they aren’t good enough and they don’t care less. f**k em all !! It’s the couldn’t care less that’s the biggest problem, we’ve all seen teams that aren’t the most talented achieving way above the sum of their parts. I don’t know what the criteria of TW and BG was when they built this squad but giving a f**k for the cause doesn’t seem like it featured too much! Or they just followed Wael's orders to sign inexperienced players?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 24, 2021 22:09:22 GMT
Maybe wouldn't use "Cutting the cancer" as probably not the sensitive of phrases, however can't argue that there is something wrong at the club. You must be in denial if you think these players can keep us up now. They have squandered every chance to pick up points, even when 2 nil up. Go back to GC days, even fans on here were moaning that we weren't very exciting despite being 4th. GC ended up walking for a job closer to home, missing his family, tired of stick he was unfairly receiving.. . Probably from the same people now moaning about Joey Barton. As fans some need to get a grip, if we spent the season in around the playoff we would absolutely be saying it is a good season. The playing staff, clearly they are not good enough having performed so poorly for most the season. I don't see how it can be argued that this lot are good group of players just we have been so unlucky to hire 3 bad managers, to be fair to the player Ben Garner was terrible. Off the pitch, TW has got it wrong if he has been solely responsible for bringing the players in. If he is given the chance this summer to redeem himself, I hope he work closer with manager who ultimately picks the 11 to start on a Saturday. Together they should be able identify the areas that need improving. When as GC once mentioned he left because of the fans, you're just made that up. GC left either because Wael wouldn't back him financially &/or for a job nearer home, it was nothing to do with the fans, although Wael may have thought he wanted to see better quality football, GC proved at Mansfield he just got lucky with JCH.
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Post by henry on Mar 24, 2021 22:31:37 GMT
People keep banging on about the January transfer window, so he didn’t try to get anyone else in besides Williams and Day? Players were queuing up to join Rovers but he said no! Are People forgetting the famous Widderington black book of quality? I’m not having this January transfer window reason to lambast Tisdale and spread blame for what Barton is getting away with now as what is the point in signing worse than you already have? We’ve been there before with desperate signings and paying the price years later. I’m seeing the same with Barton as I did with Tisdale just Barton’s more crude with the excuses. So what your saying is we couldn't attract anyone that is a better striker than Hanlon? If that is the case we as a club are screwed because there must be 100s of better strikers in the lower leagues/fringe championship or premiership players that are better than him and the position we were in someone was desperately needed. Tisdale went after Stockley and got let down and had no backup plan,which says to me he went for someone he knew as he couldn't get or know of anyone else to bring in. I found him a pretty lazy kind of manager who didn't do his homework on the club and players before he came in and as they say fail to prepare,prepare to fail. Hanlon is a wide player not a striker, it’s all hypothetical like your Shockley quote but what makes you think all these decent strikers would join this circus? You say Tisdale didn’t do his homework but what makes you think Barton did especially considering his barking mad outburst at this crucial stage of the season? I would say he certainly didn’t and he is getting lower in my estimations after each game especially as he takes no blame and rests it solely on the shoulders of others. But like you say, fail to prepare, prepare to fail Mr Barton. Saying all that, if our goal wasn’t wrongly ruled out and that needless free kick given away leading to their goal Barton would not have said what he did.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 24, 2021 22:41:38 GMT
For what it’s worth I feel Barton must be well in with Wael to be able to say what he is saying. He has just come out of a meeting with them having said a lot of deep and damming comments over the last few weeks and if they didn’t like it they would have told him not to say anything more, but as we know he said even more. I have read many posts but I am still at a loss as to who he is referring to as the cancer/bad dogs etc. Seems to be aimed at the older players I think and we know that Ehmer is basically gone or will be the best damned defender on the planet if he gets back into the team next season. Who else?
I think the scared of their own shadow means he wants some hard bastards in the team in the summer, lads to put in some tackles earn some yellow cards cuz let’s face it we are a bit soft ain’t we.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 24, 2021 22:47:55 GMT
For what it’s worth I feel Barton must be well in with Wael to be able to say what he is saying. He has just come out of a meeting with them having said a lot of deep and damming comments over the last few weeks and if they didn’t like it they would have told him not to say anything more, but as we know he said even more. I have read many posts but I am still at a loss as to who he is referring to as the cancer/bad dogs etc. Seems to be aimed at the older players I think and we know that Ehmer is basically gone or will be the best damned defender on the planet if he gets back into the team next season. Who else? I think the scared of their own shadow means he wants some hard bastards in the team in the summer, lads to put in some tackles earn some yellow cards cuz let’s face it we are a bit soft ain’t we. I don't think he is talking about just players. However it is clear he doesn't fancy Ehmer, Little and Harries for a start. I could imagine Westbrooke infuriates him.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 24, 2021 22:57:26 GMT
For what it’s worth I feel Barton must be well in with Wael to be able to say what he is saying. He has just come out of a meeting with them having said a lot of deep and damming comments over the last few weeks and if they didn’t like it they would have told him not to say anything more, but as we know he said even more. I have read many posts but I am still at a loss as to who he is referring to as the cancer/bad dogs etc. Seems to be aimed at the older players I think and we know that Ehmer is basically gone or will be the best damned defender on the planet if he gets back into the team next season. Who else? I think the scared of their own shadow means he wants some hard bastards in the team in the summer, lads to put in some tackles earn some yellow cards cuz let’s face it we are a bit soft ain’t we. I don't think he is talking about just players. However it is clear he doesn't fancy Ehmer, Little and Harries for a start. I could imagine Westbrooke infuriates him. How is it clear other than Ehmer out of interest. Only that he was complimenting Litts the other day after the DS match and sub appearance. Unsure about Harries but I thought he looked a bit firey and a wind up merchant towards opponents
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Post by playtowin on Mar 25, 2021 6:29:56 GMT
I have to say I'm astonished at how publicly scything Barton is being - especially so early on. Genuinely astonished. Whether or not he's right is another matter - but when you consider Tisdale effectively got fired for a fair, relatively low-key off-air remark, it's amazing to see Joey throwing everyone under the bus so publicly. I've honestly no idea what he's hoping to achieve? I know there's a major love-in going on with most on here, but does anyone honestly think throwing just about every player under the bus publicly is somehow going to enhance our chances of survival? Maybe it's motivating some of you, but I can't imagine for a minute it's motivating many of the players - and results appear to back that up. If Joey Barton was bought in to save us from relegation, his public outbursts are almost guaranteeing the opposite. Horrific management from where I'm standing. One thing doing it at the end of the season, but now? It reeks of someone who thinks they're out of the their depth and are doing everything in their power to deflect any blame whatsoever from themselves - ironic as it seems for many on here he's completely blameless no matter what happens. Its possible JAB thinks the players are comfortable losing games. If managers have been arm around the shoulders types and the club is being nice to them whats the consequence of losing ? JAB knows if fans were in the ground the players would not be feeling comfortable at all. They would be being shouted at to their faces with all sorts of abuse. They wouldnt be able to hide in a buble like now. Perhaps , the public slating is a way to replicate the directness of criticism the players are not getting with fans locked out.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 25, 2021 6:57:00 GMT
I don't think he is talking about just players. However it is clear he doesn't fancy Ehmer, Little and Harries for a start. I could imagine Westbrooke infuriates him. How is it clear other than Ehmer out of interest. Only that he was complimenting Litts the other day after the DS match and sub appearance. Unsure about Harries but I thought he looked a bit firey and a wind up merchant towards opponents They're not getting picked.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 25, 2021 7:07:26 GMT
I wish he'd stop all of the 'sinking ships, climbing Everest, Cancer' nonsense.... The need to speak in metaphors in so unnecessary.... That comment is like dust in the wind, and if we are all going to on the same page....we will need to talk Joey’s talk. When in Rome...
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 25, 2021 7:20:47 GMT
How is it clear other than Ehmer out of interest. Only that he was complimenting Litts the other day after the DS match and sub appearance. Unsure about Harries but I thought he looked a bit firey and a wind up merchant towards opponents They're not getting picked. Fair enough. Pretty sure Harries is injured and Litts did play the other day albeit for ten mins. But I see how you can draw that conclusion
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 25, 2021 7:20:47 GMT
It’s no good Joey getting rid of the current lot if those hugely responsible for employing them are still at the club. I can’t imagine TW will survive this shambles bet he does
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Post by singupgas on Mar 25, 2021 9:19:36 GMT
Maybe wouldn't use "Cutting the cancer" as probably not the sensitive of phrases, however can't argue that there is something wrong at the club. You must be in denial if you think these players can keep us up now. They have squandered every chance to pick up points, even when 2 nil up. Go back to GC days, even fans on here were moaning that we weren't very exciting despite being 4th. GC ended up walking for a job closer to home, missing his family, tired of stick he was unfairly receiving.. . Probably from the same people now moaning about Joey Barton. As fans some need to get a grip, if we spent the season in around the playoff we would absolutely be saying it is a good season. The playing staff, clearly they are not good enough having performed so poorly for most the season. I don't see how it can be argued that this lot are good group of players just we have been so unlucky to hire 3 bad managers, to be fair to the player Ben Garner was terrible. Off the pitch, TW has got it wrong if he has been solely responsible for bringing the players in. If he is given the chance this summer to redeem himself, I hope he work closer with manager who ultimately picks the 11 to start on a Saturday. Together they should be able identify the areas that need improving. When as GC once mentioned he left because of the fans, you're just made that up. GC left either because Wael wouldn't back him financially &/or for a job nearer home, it was nothing to do with the fans, although Wael may have thought he wanted to see better quality football, GC proved at Mansfield he just got lucky with JCH. You are right he has never come out and said I left because of the fans he would be stupid to admit that wouldn't he. Bit I cam imagine it was a combination of things rather than just the mighty Mansfield giving him a call.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 25, 2021 9:28:53 GMT
Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't.
Tisdale was a soft, characterless manager that was so uninspiring to listen to, when he had that outburst that was a game after being thumped 6-1, not the best time to start singling out your strikers so publicly which is exactly what he did. He said he was not a magician and pretty much didn't have the answers. He asked to be sacked.
Joey Barton, has been publicly and probably more damning with his words, but is anyone on here actually disagreeing with what is said or I missing something. Are we actually a really good team and everyone doing a great job at the club? Joey never singled out a single player, he speaks about the club as a whole and I agree personally.
I think that maybe he hopes to get a reaction from players, have some professional pride and fight to survive. I think they are far too complacent and clearly not switched on every game as if every 3 point is a must.
I hope the players do react and by sort of miracle we stay up, but it is unlikely with so much to do with so few games remaining.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 25, 2021 9:46:44 GMT
Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't. Tisdale was a soft, characterless manager that was so uninspiring to listen to, when he had that outburst that was a game after being thumped 6-1, not the best time to start singling out your strikers so publicly which is exactly what he did. He said he was not a magician and pretty much didn't have the answers. He asked to be sacked. Joey Barton, has been publicly and probably more damning with his words, but is anyone on here actually disagreeing with what is said or I missing something. Are we actually a really good team and everyone doing a great job at the club? Joey never singled out a single player, he speaks about the club as a whole and I agree personally. I think that maybe he hopes to get a reaction from players, have some professional pride and fight to survive. I think they are far too complacent and clearly not switched on every game as if every 3 point is a must. I hope the players do react and by sort of miracle we stay up, but it is unlikely with so much to do with so few games remaining. Not really sure about your working there. You're saying Tisdale said his piece and therefore asked to be sacked, whereas Barton said his but it's ok because we don't disagree (even though no one seemed to disagree with Tisdale). Also JB did single out a specific player, Ehmer. Why is JB hoping for a reaction but Tisdale asking to be sacked, why not the other way round? You started off saying damned if you do, damned if you don't, but you're damning Tisdale, but not Barton.
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 25, 2021 10:25:26 GMT
Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't. Tisdale was a soft, characterless manager that was so uninspiring to listen to, when he had that outburst that was a game after being thumped 6-1, not the best time to start singling out your strikers so publicly which is exactly what he did. He said he was not a magician and pretty much didn't have the answers. He asked to be sacked. Joey Barton, has been publicly and probably more damning with his words, but is anyone on here actually disagreeing with what is said or I missing something. Are we actually a really good team and everyone doing a great job at the club? Joey never singled out a single player, he speaks about the club as a whole and I agree personally. I think that maybe he hopes to get a reaction from players, have some professional pride and fight to survive. I think they are far too complacent and clearly not switched on every game as if every 3 point is a must. I hope the players do react and by sort of miracle we stay up, but it is unlikely with so much to do with so few games remaining. I think they are switched on, just not 100% of the game by 100% of the team. And they take it in turns like a relay first 30 mins v Charlton you'd struggle to find a more switched on team. Accrington at home was sublime. So they can do it. But they as a team are extremely fragile once a decision or goal goes against them. There's just no battle in the battle tank Last 20 mins of most matches they are like day old rabbits in the headlights
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Post by bluestargas on Mar 25, 2021 10:32:20 GMT
Why don't we send for Dr G to carry out the required surgery.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 12:47:01 GMT
The common denominator in this awful mess is WAQ, who has made a succession of dreadful hires off the pitch. Immediately think of Hamer, Atkins, Cunnah, Dubey, Turner, Starnes, Widdrington, Garner, and Tisdale. All of them have cost him money and missed opportunities.
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Post by RD on Mar 25, 2021 12:49:32 GMT
Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't. Tisdale was a soft, characterless manager that was so uninspiring to listen to, when he had that outburst that was a game after being thumped 6-1, not the best time to start singling out your strikers so publicly which is exactly what he did. He said he was not a magician and pretty much didn't have the answers. He asked to be sacked. Joey Barton, has been publicly and probably more damning with his words, but is anyone on here actually disagreeing with what is said or I missing something. Are we actually a really good team and everyone doing a great job at the club? Joey never singled out a single player, he speaks about the club as a whole and I agree personally. I think that maybe he hopes to get a reaction from players, have some professional pride and fight to survive. I think they are far too complacent and clearly not switched on every game as if every 3 point is a must. I hope the players do react and by sort of miracle we stay up, but it is unlikely with so much to do with so few games remaining. I think they are switched on, just not 100% of the game by 100% of the team. And they take it in turns like a relay first 30 mins v Charlton you'd struggle to find a more switched on team. Accrington at home was sublime. So they can do it. But they as a team are extremely fragile once a decision or goal goes against them. There's just no battle in the battle tank Last 20 mins of most matches they are like day old rabbits in the headlights Could it be fitness? Given the pattern appears to be starting brightly and then tailing off
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 25, 2021 12:52:42 GMT
The common denominator in this awful mess is WAQ, who has made a succession of dreadful hires off the pitch. Immediately think of Hamer, Atkins, Cunnah, Dubey, Turner, Starnes, Widdrington, Garner, and Tisdale. All of them have cost him money and missed opportunities. Except we were doing worse before he got here.
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