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Post by Jomo on May 17, 2021 10:01:25 GMT
Interesting stats there mate. Without using the stats we did look better under Barton. A little more organised with a little more aggression especially from kick off. Whilst Barton took over when we were 2 points adrift of relelgation, it is an absolute certainty to say that had Tisdale had 2 more games we would have been in the zone anyway. By the time JB took over, the squad was lightweight, injury ravaged, bereft of confidence and the one thing that was out of his control that constantly happened were insane individual errors, poor decision making or absolute moments of madness. That cannot be coached, that is about ability of the individuals and their fit into the team at the level they are playing at. Sadly we had too many individuals that were unable to play at L1 level and relegation became a certainty, regardless of who was in charge. All I will say is I have far more confidence in Barton than I ever did with Tisdale and Garner. Agree with all that mate. And happy to be shot down with the points per game stats by anyone but I truly believe that the system that Barton will play will yield dividends once the correct/quality components are added. I mean he had to bring in from the Dev squad and play young Martinez out of position to cover DM despite having Hargreaves and Liddle to choose from so something strange behind the scenes has been happening. Love him, like him, not bothered, dislike him or hate him... one thing we all must agree on is that this window is bloody important to get right and get the players in that can make all of this work. I am optimistic for sure and just want to see a couple of signings over the line so we can get a flava of what to expect UTG Good post. While I was bitterly disappointed with how we went down, I will still naturally be excited once we start bringing players in and hopefully we will start to see much more effective football moving forward. I hope that once we do have players to play in a certain style, that if for whatever reason we do have to change managers at some stage (emphasis on the IF) that the board learn from their mistakes and hire a manager with a similar playing style philosophy, so we can have some continuity that we so desperately lacked since GC left.
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Post by warehamgas on May 17, 2021 10:18:07 GMT
Good point about no one “bummed us” under JB. And his early performances were better. But those 6/7 matches after the Northampton draw were awful. It was almost as if that Northampton penalty did for us. How do those stats stack up? UTG! Hey pal thanks for the question... I did a graph now that I am back at the laptop which may or not answer that: View AttachmentIn the top graph you will see our shots in the grey bar with the total labelled as a number at the end. The blue line indicates 'On target' in the match and the green line indicates 'Goals scored' in the match. The bottom table shows the opponents with the same design although I used amber for 'On Target' and red for 'Goals scored' The next dashboard shows all the games and managers as a comparison. View AttachmentNot so easy to read this one but I guess looking at the right graph once Garner had departed the next 3 managers had a similar amount of success creating chances (grey bars) similar amounts on target (blue lines) and the same awful goal conversion rates (green lines). Opponent wise, You can see a clear reduction of shots against (grey bars) when Barton came in with the same being said for shots on target, but unfortunately for him and the club the goals conceded just kept steady throughout all 4 managers. To answer your question I think the last 6 games for Barton were pretty consistent to his whole tenure but when you think about the injury ravaged squad and the fact like you said the confidence was killed I see positives in the systems we will play under Barton next season. Thoughts mate? Thank you for that and the time it must have taken. 👍 The stats don’t seem to look as bad as I remember those last 5 games. I missed one of them but saw the rest and thought we were poorer than the pre-Northampton games. Perhaps that’s just me! The pattern for JB and Tis aren’t so different. Tis, despite the Swindon match, started well but his last 6 matches were poor and his selections strange. Covid certainly affected his team. Barton up to and including the Northampton match I always felt we’d be ok. We were playing better although the stats don’t show a great difference. But we were more attacking, more solid but individuals just kept making howlers in impossible areas which cost us. We’ll never know but if we hadn’t conceded at Northampton and had got that 1-0 win I think we’d have been ok but who knows. In the end we weren’t good enough at either end and JB never had the window to do anything about it. I hope and have some expectation (?) that JB will, with a decent pre-season, a few players in key positions start to change things around. But that’s me being the eternal optimist!! Thanks once again for those stats, much appreciated.👍 UTG!
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 17, 2021 11:01:38 GMT
Really happy with Joey so far. Really honest, been generally saying what I have thought; hopefully getting rid, or at least will not play many of this seasons squad. I have bought my season ticket, looking forward to preseason friendlies, and hopefully away games during 21/22. Utg
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Post by RD on May 17, 2021 14:46:47 GMT
Really happy with Joey so far. Really honest, been generally saying what I have thought; hopefully getting rid, or at least will not play many of this seasons squad. I have bought my season ticket, looking forward to preseason friendlies, and hopefully away games during 21/22. Utg I'm sorry but what? "Really happy" - wtf? I mean it's one thing having faith he can turn it round, but "really happy" - are you having a laugh?
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2021 15:46:27 GMT
Really happy with Joey so far. Really honest, been generally saying what I have thought; hopefully getting rid, or at least will not play many of this seasons squad. I have bought my season ticket, looking forward to preseason friendlies, and hopefully away games during 21/22. Utg I'm sorry but what? "Really happy" - wtf? I mean it's one thing having faith he can turn it round, but "really happy" - are you having a laugh? On Acid, surely...I mean really happy😂😂😂
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Post by landrover on May 17, 2021 15:53:20 GMT
What he’s done is to tell an inconvenient truth and ruffled a few feathers. The club has been a shambles from the moment Coughlan buggered off. From that day forth it’s been listless and leaderless. That’s off the pitch as well as on it. The road Wael, Starnes and Widdrington took wasn’t so much to nowhere as to ruin. We had a team geared up to give anyone a match and chose a wet lettuce to carry the fight forward. We have been left with a team of bog standard footballers who wouldn’t know how to tackle to save their life. As for team spirit, forget it. They play for themselves first, that’s obvious to see. It’s all half hearted fake effort. Barton can see that and I’m hoping he will get us back to a Coughlan type team. I still think we employed a problematic manager but we can’t keep sacking them.
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2021 16:07:32 GMT
What he’s done is to tell an inconvenient truth and ruffled a few feathers. The club has been a shambles from the moment Coughlan buggered off. From that day forth it’s been listless and leaderless. That’s off the pitch as well as on it. The road Wael, Starnes and Widdrington took wasn’t so much to nowhere as to ruin. We had a team geared up to give anyone a match and chose a wet lettuce to carry the fight forward. We have been left with a team of bog standard footballers who wouldn’t know how to tackle to save their life. As for team spirit, forget it. They play for themselves first, that’s obvious to see. It’s all half hearted fake effort. Barton can see that and I’m hoping he will get us back to a Coughlan type team. I still think we employed a problematic manager but we can’t keep sacking them. Its not an argument about "sacking". Its absolutely about an objective appraisal of his ACTUAL performance in the job. That is a shocking lack of delivery on the pitch and an utterly embarrassing representation of the club off the pitch. Other than that all good and the future is bright. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by landrover on May 17, 2021 16:19:25 GMT
What he’s done is to tell an inconvenient truth and ruffled a few feathers. The club has been a shambles from the moment Coughlan buggered off. From that day forth it’s been listless and leaderless. That’s off the pitch as well as on it. The road Wael, Starnes and Widdrington took wasn’t so much to nowhere as to ruin. We had a team geared up to give anyone a match and chose a wet lettuce to carry the fight forward. We have been left with a team of bog standard footballers who wouldn’t know how to tackle to save their life. As for team spirit, forget it. They play for themselves first, that’s obvious to see. It’s all half hearted fake effort. Barton can see that and I’m hoping he will get us back to a Coughlan type team. I still think we employed a problematic manager but we can’t keep sacking them. Its not an argument about "sacking". Its absolutely about an objective appraisal of his ACTUAL performance in the job. That is a shocking lack of delivery on the pitch and an utterly embarrassing representation of the club off the pitch. Other than that all good and the future is bright. 😂😂😂😂😂 The question was “what’s he done for the club”. My first sentence suggests what he’s done. The rest is a follow on from that. Even if he goes he will have done us a favour by pointing out the lack of guts in the team. The data driven nonsense Garner served up was an embarrassment. Barton is a big head, no doubt about that, but he’s truthful to a fault.
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2021 17:28:50 GMT
Its not an argument about "sacking". Its absolutely about an objective appraisal of his ACTUAL performance in the job. That is a shocking lack of delivery on the pitch and an utterly embarrassing representation of the club off the pitch. Other than that all good and the future is bright. 😂😂😂😂😂 The question was “what’s he done for the club”. My first sentence suggests what he’s done. The rest is a follow on from that. Even if he goes he will have done us a favour by pointing out the lack of guts in the team. The data driven nonsense Garner served up was an embarrassment. Barton is a big head, no doubt about that, but he’s truthful to a fault. "but he’s truthful to a fault" You could read it as rank buck passing and avoiding responsibility for anything. But its done to death...we shall see
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on May 17, 2021 21:18:35 GMT
What he’s done is to tell an inconvenient truth and ruffled a few feathers. The club has been a shambles from the moment Coughlan buggered off. From that day forth it’s been listless and leaderless. That’s off the pitch as well as on it. The road Wael, Starnes and Widdrington took wasn’t so much to nowhere as to ruin. We had a team geared up to give anyone a match and chose a wet lettuce to carry the fight forward. We have been left with a team of bog standard footballers who wouldn’t know how to tackle to save their life. As for team spirit, forget it. They play for themselves first, that’s obvious to see. It’s all half hearted fake effort. Barton can see that and I’m hoping he will get us back to a Coughlan type team. I still think we employed a problematic manager but we can’t keep sacking them. Its not an argument about "sacking". Its absolutely about an objective appraisal of his ACTUAL performance in the job. That is a shocking lack of delivery on the pitch and an utterly embarrassing representation of the club off the pitch. Other than that all good and the future is bright. 😂😂😂😂😂 Let’s see what he does next season - if nothing changes feel free to batter him , metaphorically 💙 Utg
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Post by Westy on May 18, 2021 4:12:28 GMT
Our team's sh**, he said the team's sh**, we need a while new squad and hopefully the players we bring in aren't sh** 🤣
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Post by gasify on May 19, 2021 6:10:16 GMT
To be clear nobody is saying people shouldn’t post apart from LPGAs who’s on a wind up. There are really good valid points why people are concerned and a forum is the place to air it but the old arguments that we finished bottom it was his fault etc have been done to death and are baseless. Same with off the field stuff a handful of one off incidents and suddenly the blokes a criminal. What I will say is people on here were saying back him or stop suppprting the club F off to Ashton etc but that was at the beginning when he arrived and a lot of the people who that was aimed at have now gone. I wasn’t one of those posting that and never would were all gas heads at the end of the day Did he go to prison? If he did, that may well be the very definition of a criminal. #justsaying
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Post by Jomo on May 19, 2021 7:48:59 GMT
To be clear nobody is saying people shouldn’t post apart from LPGAs who’s on a wind up. There are really good valid points why people are concerned and a forum is the place to air it but the old arguments that we finished bottom it was his fault etc have been done to death and are baseless. Same with off the field stuff a handful of one off incidents and suddenly the blokes a criminal. What I will say is people on here were saying back him or stop suppprting the club F off to Ashton etc but that was at the beginning when he arrived and a lot of the people who that was aimed at have now gone. I wasn’t one of those posting that and never would were all gas heads at the end of the day Did he go to prison? If he did, that may well be the very definition of a criminal. #justsaying Wirralgas has openly admitted on this thread that he has been on a windup.
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Post by gasify on May 19, 2021 19:26:33 GMT
Did he go to prison? If he did, that may well be the very definition of a criminal. #justsaying Wirralgas has openly admitted on this thread that he has been on a windup. Thanks Jomo. I saw that after I had responded. I found his experiment quite interesting. He was like the Ali G of gaschat, getting people to like ridiculous posts.
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Post by james246 on May 20, 2021 11:54:22 GMT
Spoke to a couple of very young Rovers players today at Nuffield North Bristol and asked them what they thought of our manager. They said he was "EXCELLENT".
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 20, 2021 12:02:36 GMT
Spoke to a couple of very young Rovers players today at Nuffield North Bristol and asked them what they thought of our manager. They said he was "EXCELLENT". Phew thank god for that. Thats really put my mind at rest.
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Post by gasify on May 20, 2021 21:21:03 GMT
What he’s done is to tell an inconvenient truth and ruffled a few feathers. The club has been a shambles from the moment Coughlan buggered off. From that day forth it’s been listless and leaderless. That’s off the pitch as well as on it. The road Wael, Starnes and Widdrington took wasn’t so much to nowhere as to ruin. We had a team geared up to give anyone a match and chose a wet lettuce to carry the fight forward. We have been left with a team of bog standard footballers who wouldn’t know how to tackle to save their life. As for team spirit, forget it. They play for themselves first, that’s obvious to see. It’s all half hearted fake effort. Barton can see that and I’m hoping he will get us back to a Coughlan type team. I still think we employed a problematic manager but we can’t keep sacking them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I actually think that when Coughlan left, we did have a plan and a strategy and one I think was good. If you look at points per game when Garner was manager then we would have stayed up. The issues that sent us down was lack of goals. To me that was lack of decent chances being made for the forwards. Our midfield was not performing moving forward or injured. When Nicholson got injured we lost alot. Couple that with Hanlan playing through injury and players like Oztumer seriously under performing (had to be Covid). I honestly think that if we could simulate the season over and over again, relegation is only the outcome 20% of the time (pure gut feeling) as in 80% of those simulations Nicholson doesn't get injured, nor does Rodman Oztumer didn't get Covid and Jaakola plays more games. Regardless of who the manager is.
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