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Post by warehamgas on May 15, 2021 11:56:23 GMT
I hope the Barton haters are prepared to eat Humble Pie if the club wins promotion. Probably be total silence if the man is very successful. That’s just a bit daft. These “Barton haters” are BRFC fans who just have a different opinion than perhaps you do. And many of these people are not as you’ve characterised them but are fans who have stated that they will give him a chance and hope he does create a team we can be proud of but are seriously baffled by the lack of criticism JB has got when he took over in February, clear of the relegation zone. His results have been awful and if you can’t see that, others can. But, to be clear, many of us who’ve questioned his methods will be delighted if he creates a team who excite, have a decent season next year and play on the front foot. Many of these posters have gone out of their way to say he shouldn’t be sacked and will support him but will continue to question his methods. Anything else would be sycophantic. To say we hope he fails is just plain wrong and leads to an unnecessary division in gasheads. UTG!
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Post by gregsy on May 15, 2021 11:59:26 GMT
Thats not the reason we got relegated at all though is it? Steve k is right Barton was unlucky teams around us kept winning which is why we really relegated under Tisdale it was just a lot of teams we’re worse at the time. What Steve k says makes no sense when you read it but if you think about it makes perfect sense No it doesn't....
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Post by gruad on May 15, 2021 12:08:11 GMT
I’m a stats man and I could see easily a positive trend in performance metrics. I’ll always take into account the most important stat which is winning games and points but, no one bummed us under Barton. Tis had Accy and Garner had Fleetwood and Doncaster. Add to that the fact that at least 3 of Barton’s games was a team that knew they were relegated, contained a number of our higher quality players out injured and a f**ked off fanbase I still found that the stats remained consistent. I truely believe that with a few more components (the right players) added and a better quality pre season this will only get better. Once pre season was done this term it was pretty damn difficult to get the guys to convert to your style of play and playing phases given the fixtures so all of that will be in his favour when we start league 2. In my opinion UTG Good point about no one “bummed us” under JB. And his early performances were better. But those 6/7 matches after the Northampton draw were awful. It was almost as if that Northampton penalty did for us. How do those stats stack up? UTG! JB had a 10 man behind the ball defence which means we shouldnt get bummed. What it also meant is that we could never clear the ball to a Rovers player and get goals on the break like we did with GC. Is purchasing players the main way for a manager to affect a team? I certainly hope so, because, so far in terms of tactics, game management, man management and dealing with the ref, JB has been poor.
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Post by wirralgas on May 15, 2021 12:14:44 GMT
Steve k is right Barton was unlucky teams around us kept winning which is why we really relegated under Tisdale it was just a lot of teams we’re worse at the time. What Steve k says makes no sense when you read it but if you think about it makes perfect sense 😂😂😂 New long term strategy, we will be fine as long as other teams do not win. This is getting funnier by the minute Your taking what Steve k said out of context to suit a negative agenda. What he said is teams kept winning which meant we got relegated what’s there to argue with if they kept losing they’d have been below us It’s not a long term strategy just a fact but yes if the teams at the top next season are losing every week then we have a better chance of promotion that is a fact. Sorry I readily don’t see the argument against this
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Post by albowlly on May 15, 2021 12:42:53 GMT
It's really very simple. So far Barton has done virtually nothing for Bristol Rovers. But it's what he does next season that matters. I've never known a manager at any club make himself such a hostage to fortune as Barton has done with you. If a year from now Bristol Rovers haven't at least reached the play-offs and played some enjoyable football then he's going to have to take any criticism on the chin. He's made it very clear that he's in charge and every decision will be down to him from now on. He'll have nowhere to hide and I don't think he'd seek anywhere to hide. However I think he's going to succeed and you're going to enjoy 2021-22.
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2021 12:43:00 GMT
😂😂😂 New long term strategy, we will be fine as long as other teams do not win. This is getting funnier by the minute Your taking what Steve k said out of context to suit a negative agenda. What he said is teams kept winning which meant we got relegated what’s there to argue with if they kept losing they’d have been below us It’s not a long term strategy just a fact but yes if the teams at the top next season are losing every week then we have a better chance of promotion that is a fact. Sorry I readily don’t see the argument against this Sorry mate, I am nearly in tears laughing here. So, if other teams in the top ten lose every week, we might get promoted?? Well yeah, but they wouldnt be in the top ten if they were losing every week...😂😂 This is straight out of the Barton book of philosophy and game planning. Confucious say "Ah, Grasshoppa, you score more goals, we win" 😂😂😂😂😂🤡
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Post by BS6 Gas on May 15, 2021 12:51:50 GMT
Genuine question to those who back him. Ignoring the negatives about results, relegation, reputation, negative press conferences, criticism of predecessors etc etc. We've been over all that. I'm genuinely mystified why people think he's the new Messiah. So, listing positives only, if possible, what has he done for the club? Not what he might do. Anyone in theory could be a good manager. It's a science, an art and a bit of luck. What has he done to date which is positive and helps the club going forwards? Don’t understand where you get the word Messiah from? Can’t recall anyone especially on here using that word. JB needs 2 transfer windows to stamp his mark on the appalling excuse for a set up that we’ve had over the past 2 seasons. Who would you have given the job to post GC ? Yes I suppose looking back at it Cotterill should have been appointed but even he would have had supporter backlash. I back JB because I believe he’s a character that will get the best out of his players, will continue to ruffle a few feathers in the boardroom and have a relationship with the fans that will get the Mem rocking again. He’s passionate and has contacts and believes what we can achieve. You tell me the last manager we had with that ethos? UTG
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 13:03:44 GMT
I hope the Barton haters are prepared to eat Humble Pie if the club wins promotion. Probably be total silence if the man is very successful. That’s just a bit daft. These “Barton haters” are BRFC fans who just have a different opinion than perhaps you do. And many of these people are not as you’ve characterised them but are fans who have stated that they will give him a chance and hope he does create a team we can be proud of but are seriously baffled by the lack of criticism JB has got when he took over in February, clear of the relegation zone. His results have been awful and if you can’t see that, others can. But, to be clear, many of us who’ve questioned his methods will be delighted if he creates a team who excite, have a decent season next year and play on the front foot. Many of these posters have gone out of their way to say he shouldn’t be sacked and will support him but will continue to question his methods. Anything else would be sycophantic. To say we hope he fails is just plain wrong and leads to an unnecessary division in gasheads. UTG! Thank you wareham, 100% agree with this. It's a shame that criticism is just seen by others as an attack without substantiation, and that some can't see that we actually are willing to give him a chance and hopeful that he brings success. We'd be mad to begrudge any Gas manager success, as we wouldn't be fans otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 13:06:04 GMT
He has... released Bennett! Probably the highlight so far!
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Post by wirralgas on May 15, 2021 13:11:53 GMT
Your taking what Steve k said out of context to suit a negative agenda. What he said is teams kept winning which meant we got relegated what’s there to argue with if they kept losing they’d have been below us It’s not a long term strategy just a fact but yes if the teams at the top next season are losing every week then we have a better chance of promotion that is a fact. Sorry I readily don’t see the argument against this Sorry mate, I am nearly in tears laughing here. So, if other teams in the top ten lose every week, we might get promoted?? Well yeah, but they wouldnt be in the top ten if they were losing every week...😂😂 This is straight out of the Barton book of philosophy and game planning. Confucious say "Ah, Grasshoppa, you score more goals, we win" 😂😂😂😂😂🤡 Ha ha when you put it like that is does sound a bit silly but I think you get my point. Steve k puts it across far better than me I think he’s educated. I went to school with alanrg ha ha
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Post by playtowin on May 15, 2021 13:39:34 GMT
I skipped from page one to here as it seemed to just drift into the same old disagreements.
What has Our Joey done ?
Identified that seeing the players perform that they were not fit enough . Or perhaps more correctly , were suffering from exhaustion due to poor preparation throughout and prior to the season. Thats something you cant change ,its happened. You just have to helplessly suffer the consequences. Then put in place better methods the following season.
This identified that the players were not really at fault . The problem lay with those responsible for the preparation and ongoing health of the players. The number of injuries was a joke this season. Imagine those numbers having to sit out during the 89/90 Francis promotion . Promotion could not have happened and survival would have been on the cards. Saunders,white, mcclean all injured for long periods. Parkin missing a third of the season. Holloway mehew and reece also sidelined for weeks at a time.The squad couldnt have coped.
So, clearing out those who had a hand in shaping the poorly prepared squad was a good thing.
On the pitch the team attempted a higher press to some improvement. More discipline in holding positions was noticeable. Better marking at set pieces occured. More variety to set pieces rovers had happened ,after identifying aimless balls into the box in the air are pointless when nobody is capable of winning aerial challenges.
There may be more but thats it for now off the top of my head. Bottom line is if you dont have strikers who attack the ball in the area and anticipate errors you will struggle. If your strikers are also scared to shoot you are in big trouble.
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Post by falsenumber9 on May 15, 2021 13:57:22 GMT
Judge joey barton on what happens from now not on last season as it was one big cock up by garner and co lets see what he does in the transfer market ? Hope he brings in players what he wants not other peoples This is spot on. When pirate kept saying it’s Barton or relegation it wasn’t fair as we were as good as down and keeping us up was never a realistic option time to judge from now and from what we’ve seen since the season ended is all positive Utg We were as good as down? We were literally above the relegation zone when he took over.
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Post by falsenumber9 on May 15, 2021 13:59:53 GMT
I hope the Barton haters are prepared to eat Humble Pie if the club wins promotion. Probably be total silence if the man is very successful. Likewise I hope team 'Joey Barton's Barmy Army' are prepared to eat humble pie if our results drop off a cliff edge and we finish bottom by five points... Oh wait...
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Post by gruad on May 15, 2021 14:00:13 GMT
"On the pitch the team attempted a higher press to some improvement. More discipline in holding positions was noticeable. Better marking at set pieces occured. More variety to set pieces rovers had happened ,after identifying aimless balls into the box in the air are pointless when nobody is capable of winning aerial challenges."
Totally agree with you. Rovers looked the match to most sides then lost by the odd goal due to a silly mistake while we couldn't score.
They were tactics that made us look better but didn't translate into points.
What Barton has done is convince Wael he is the man to transform the club from top to bottom. But he has done nothing so far. Let's hope he has something up his sleve...
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Post by gasify on May 15, 2021 14:28:05 GMT
I hope the Barton haters are prepared to eat Humble Pie if the club wins promotion. Probably be total silence if the man is very successful. I for one am a Barton Hater who would be quite happy to eat humble pie. If he proves himself as being the best manager that we have ever had then he will deserve to take his rightful place in Rovers folklore. However, if after 10 games next season we are below 14th position then his back should be up against the wall as the firing squad should be out on him. First 10 games, anything less than 5 wins then he faces the firing squad. I think that is reasonably balanced, dont you?
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Post by axegas on May 15, 2021 14:44:17 GMT
I hope the Barton haters are prepared to eat Humble Pie if the club wins promotion. Probably be total silence if the man is very successful. I said from the beginning I dislike Barton and was against his appointment to the club, but most of that was just as dislike of the man, of course the results and the press interviews haven’t helped that. I do genuinely want Rovers to be successful because no manager is ever around for that long and if Joey can leave the club in a better place than what he started in then great, to that end I want him to now be given the chance that any manager should be given, so long as the outcome of the court case allows for it. I just find my enthusiasm for the club dampened whenever another controversy to do with Barton arises, he’s got a lot of work to do to bring me round.
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Post by singupgas on May 15, 2021 14:57:11 GMT
Same people in here probably wanted DC sacked after we failed to stay in the league. But then went onto worship him ams still do.
Same could happen for Joey.
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Post by gasify on May 15, 2021 15:04:26 GMT
Genuine question to those who back him. Ignoring the negatives about results, relegation, reputation, negative press conferences, criticism of predecessors etc etc. We've been over all that. I'm genuinely mystified why people think he's the new Messiah. So, listing positives only, if possible, what has he done for the club? Not what he might do. Anyone in theory could be a good manager. It's a science, an art and a bit of luck. What has he done to date which is positive and helps the club going forwards? Don’t understand where you get the word Messiah from? Can’t recall anyone especially on here using that word. JB needs 2 transfer windows to stamp his mark on the appalling excuse for a set up that we’ve had over the past 2 seasons. Who would you have given the job to post GC ? Yes I suppose looking back at it Cotterill should have been appointed but even he would have had supporter backlash. I back JB because I believe he’s a character that will get the best out of his players, will continue to ruffle a few feathers in the boardroom and have a relationship with the fans that will get the Mem rocking again. He’s passionate and has contacts and believes what we can achieve. You tell me the last manager we had with that ethos? UTG I think he gets one transfer window. If the players he brings in do not bring the wins required to the club then he doesn't get two. No under performing manager deserves two transfer windows.
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Post by axegas on May 15, 2021 15:05:42 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place.
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Post by gasify on May 15, 2021 15:07:53 GMT
Same people in here probably wanted DC sacked after we failed to stay in the league. But then went onto worship him ams still do. Same could happen for Joey. Actually, I reckon this is an inverse. Those that wanted DC sacked are probably the ones that are Pro JB and the ones that wanted DC to stay are probably against JB. Problem is, no one is going to stand up and say they wanted DC sacked after we got relegated as we know what the outcome was with hindsight.
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