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Post by gasify on May 15, 2021 15:11:00 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. To be honest I think whoever the manager is will divide the fan base. DC did GC did BG did and now JB did. DC as he was starting to turn on the board to deflect from the fact we weren't getting the results on the pitch. GC ironically was getting the results but people didn't like the way we were playing and thought it was boring. BG as everytime we went a goal up, he wanted to team to sit back and hold the lead (which we could never do). JB now for talking the talk but not yet walking the walk.
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Post by pirate on May 15, 2021 15:11:03 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. Attachment Deleted
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Post by fanatical on May 15, 2021 15:14:45 GMT
But - is he able? And what are we in for if he is lacking?
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Post by orgasmic on May 15, 2021 15:23:01 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. View AttachmentNobody is not giving him a chance. He has just been criticised on an Internet forum! From what I can see the people criticising are as keen for him to succeed as anyone. They’re just expressing their opinion on the situation as they see it.
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Post by axegas on May 15, 2021 15:23:46 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. View AttachmentI notice that poll was from quite a while ago, I’m willing to bet responses will have changed since then.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:30:14 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. That was the only reason I was concerned over his appointment initially. It is sad to see and without doubt it has been more divisive than most other managers.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:32:51 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. View Attachment I've said it, Wareham and orgasmic have said it, aghast has said it, and I'm sure others have also said it on this very thread - just because we have found fault and criticised his results and methods, doesn't mean we're not happy to give him the chance this summer and into next season. I'm not sure why many of those that haven't criticised him (which you're perfectly entitled not to) aren't accepting that?
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Post by pirate on May 15, 2021 15:35:11 GMT
A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. View Attachment I've said it, Wareham and orgasmic have said it, aghast has said it, and I'm sure others have also said it on this very thread - just because we have found fault and criticised his results and methods, doesn't mean we're not happy to give him the chance this summer and into next season. I'm not sure why many of those that haven't criticised him (which you're perfectly entitled not to) aren't accepting that? You can say it as many times as you like, but the constant sniping gives a different impression.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:36:36 GMT
I've said it, Wareham and orgasmic have said it, aghast has said it, and I'm sure others have also said it on this very thread - just because we have found fault and criticised his results and methods, doesn't mean we're not happy to give him the chance this summer and into next season. I'm not sure why many of those that haven't criticised him (which you're perfectly entitled not to) aren't accepting that? You can say it as many times as you like, but the constant sniping gives a different impression. Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. P.S. it's easy to say it's "constant sniping" but unfortunately the regularity with which JB comes out with unorthodox and IMO unprofessional rants, plus our regular losing habit, made it more difficult not to express negative sentiments at similar intervals.
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Post by pirate on May 15, 2021 15:41:53 GMT
You can say it as many times as you like, but the constant sniping gives a different impression. Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. I'm not aware of anyone saying you have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable, but it does get a bit tiresome and tedious when the same old arguments pollute every other thread. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:46:24 GMT
Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. I'm not aware of anyone saying you have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable, but it does get a bit tiresome and tedious when the same old arguments pollute every other thread. Just my opinion of course. That's fair, but I think we wouldn't be at such odds if those of us that have voiced our concerns and criticisms weren't simply labelled as "anti-Barton" or "Barton haters" because that label does not reflect how I feel about him There's a lot about him that I like, I'm happy to come out and say that, and I'm absolutely not a Barton hater at all. I just disagree with some of the things he comes out with publicly and I believe they paint himself and the club in a negative light. That doesn't mean he's the devil incarnate, far from it.
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Post by warehamgas on May 15, 2021 15:55:15 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. View AttachmentWhich is what a lot of us are saying. UTG! ps. And I’m sure you’re not saying that questioning his performance so far is “guff” are you?
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Post by orgasmic on May 15, 2021 15:56:01 GMT
Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. I'm not aware of anyone saying you have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable, but it does get a bit tiresome and tedious when the same old arguments pollute every other thread. Just my opinion of course. Most are in response to either something new he has done or someone being positive about him. Maybe I find it tedious that people pollute every other thread defending his nonsense
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Post by pirate on May 15, 2021 15:56:15 GMT
I'm not aware of anyone saying you have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable, but it does get a bit tiresome and tedious when the same old arguments pollute every other thread. Just my opinion of course. That's fair, but I think we wouldn't be at such odds if those of us that have voiced our concerns and criticisms weren't simply labelled as "anti-Barton" or "Barton haters" because that label does not reflect how I feel about him There's a lot about him that I like, I'm happy to come out and say that, and I'm absolutely not a Barton hater at all. I just disagree with some of the things he comes out with publicly and I believe they paint himself and the club in a negative light. That doesn't mean he's the devil incarnate, far from it. He'll have time to reflect this summer and privately might regret one or two things, but as with any young manager he will make mistakes and hopefully improve on those in the future. Hopefully we will see the benefits of a Barton pre-season and after a few good signings we will see the manager that the experienced Scotland International Charlie Mulgrew described as "very good and very detailed with what he did on the training pitch every day" and "one of the best coaches I have worked under."
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Post by orgasmic on May 15, 2021 16:05:38 GMT
That's fair, but I think we wouldn't be at such odds if those of us that have voiced our concerns and criticisms weren't simply labelled as "anti-Barton" or "Barton haters" because that label does not reflect how I feel about him There's a lot about him that I like, I'm happy to come out and say that, and I'm absolutely not a Barton hater at all. I just disagree with some of the things he comes out with publicly and I believe they paint himself and the club in a negative light. That doesn't mean he's the devil incarnate, far from it. He'll have time to reflect this summer and privately might regret one or two things, but as with any young manager he will make mistakes and hopefully improve on those in the future. Hopefully we will see the benefits of a Barton pre-season and after a few good signings we will see the manager that the experienced Scotland International Charlie Mulgrew described as "very good and very detailed with what he did on the training pitch every day" and "one of the best coaches I have worked under." Let’s bloody hope so!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 15, 2021 16:11:34 GMT
You can say it as many times as you like, but the constant sniping gives a different impression. Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. P.S. it's easy to say it's "constant sniping" but unfortunately the regularity with which JB comes out with unorthodox and IMO unprofessional rants, plus our regular losing habit, made it more difficult not to express negative sentiments at similar intervals. We haven't lost this week and I can't recall Barton saying anything at all let alone anything controversial but the sniping is still continuing, certain fans won't be happy until he's sacked and we have another no hope like Hargreaves put in charge. Why can't they just wait and see what players Barton brings on this summer rather than continually starting pointless threads.
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Post by wirralgas on May 15, 2021 16:48:17 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. View AttachmentPirate at last some common sense and I for one am in the silent majority even if it’s just me and you. You’ve generally called it right with Barton and although Barton or relegation was wrong I agreed with you. People just need to look beyond the results on the pitch and things off the pitch to see the good things that are happening
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 17:02:18 GMT
Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. P.S. it's easy to say it's "constant sniping" but unfortunately the regularity with which JB comes out with unorthodox and IMO unprofessional rants, plus our regular losing habit, made it more difficult not to express negative sentiments at similar intervals. We haven't lost this week and I can't recall Barton saying anything at all let alone anything controversial but the sniping is still continuing, certain fans won't be happy until he's sacked and we have another no hope like Hargreaves put in charge. Why can't they just wait and see what players Barton brings on this summer rather than continually starting pointless threads. You're right about us not having lost in the last week. We did have the story about his comments being taken down from the club website, but that was about it. I for one am feeling slightly more relaxed about the situation now that the dust is settling on our relegation, and I hope not to have to "snipe" again. This would mean that there are no more rants and that we are moving on and into a more successful period. I'd suggest that that's what we all want.
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Post by 1dannyboy on May 15, 2021 17:57:07 GMT
We have to give joey a good couple of seasons. You never know he could be our best man yet. I think we're lucky to get some one that wants and got ambition to get the gas back on track. Good luck JB.
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Post by 1dannyboy on May 15, 2021 17:59:58 GMT
We have to give joey a good couple of seasons. You never know he could be our best man yet. I think we're lucky to get some one that wants and got ambition to get the gas back on track. Good luck JB.
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