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Post by kampucheagas on Aug 22, 2021 8:24:44 GMT
But then who do we put in midfield? If fit Martinez could do a job until we sign someone better. Otherwise the options are lacking in fairness. So….. We don’t rate any of our centre backs… Or full backs….. Or midfielders……
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Post by Raj Gas on Aug 22, 2021 8:30:20 GMT
There is a shocking lack of pace in this backline again, exactly the same as last season. I still think we need another centre half this window. I think moving Grant into the back 3 is something we have to do, for me he has good positional sense on the pitch and has more pace than our other options. Definitely agree we need another centre half. The lack of pace is glaringly obvious. Moving Grant into defence has to be worth a try, he couldn't do much worse than what we saw yesterday in the first half. Watching the highlights the defence are slow, cumbersome and don't appear to take ownership as time and time again there were enough players but they just backed off. Baldwin makes mistakes but so do the other two and again yesterday looked very poor signings, they are not youngsters and so it makes you think can anyone coach them?
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Post by eastgas on Aug 22, 2021 8:39:29 GMT
But then who do we put in midfield? If fit Martinez could do a job until we sign someone better. Otherwise the options are lacking in fairness. I thought Martinez was fantastic last season in holding midfield. I also think he is a very good centre half when I have seen him play there, wether he would be as good as I have seen in that position in competitive league two football remains to be seen
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Post by olskooltoteender on Aug 22, 2021 8:39:40 GMT
And by the way, I used he/she when referring to you because I genuinely don’t know if you are male or female - I’ve never met you and some people get upset by that sort of thing. You said "I suspect you are the sort of person that speaks and thinks like that and gets sand in their mangina if they’re “misgendered”" coz you didn't want to upset him? Fair point, well made - but in my defence I was beginning to lose my patience at that point . . .
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Post by eastgas on Aug 22, 2021 8:43:12 GMT
There is a shocking lack of pace in this backline again, exactly the same as last season. I still think we need another centre half this window. I think moving Grant into the back 3 is something we have to do, for me he has good positional sense on the pitch and has more pace than our other options. I agree. His backline recruitment is costing him. We don’t have any out and out full backs who are any good or with pace. I’m not convinced at all that anderton is a left back. He’s big slow and ponderous. A typical centre half that we sign. Clarke’s a wing back and hooles not ready yet IMO. Not only do we need a decent centre half with pace the full back positions need sorting as well. Unless he plans on playing 3 at the back all season. An absolute mess. From what I have read, and what JB has said, I think the plan is a back 3 this season so I think he will continue with it. Anderton is a strange one, yesterday he was awful but I have been impressed with him up until that point, I know not everyone will share that opinion but I don’t think he was helped yesterday having what looked like a unfit Anderson outside him playing out of position and providing him with no cover
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Post by yaz on Aug 22, 2021 8:48:13 GMT
Definitely agree we need another centre half. The lack of pace is glaringly obvious. Moving Grant into defence has to be worth a try, he couldn't do much worse than what we saw yesterday in the first half. Watching the highlights the defence are slow, cumbersome and don't appear to take ownership as time and time again there were enough players but they just backed off. Baldwin makes mistakes but so do the other two and again yesterday looked very poor signings, they are not youngsters and so it makes you think can anyone coach them? Moving Grant into defence would be a big mistake in my view? He has mistakes in him that would cost us. Watch how many simple 5 yard passes he does go astray. Also apart from the goalie he will have no one else to pass back to; most of his passes are backwards although he has improved recently? Hoole is automatic right back for me. Pacier than most. Can’t understand why he was dropped for Oldham. Our best player at Mansfield and vs Stevenage? With our manager, he likes you or does not for long periods and then goes other way! Apart from Hoole and Collins, not that impressed with all the new players we have signed so far?
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Post by yaz on Aug 22, 2021 8:54:59 GMT
Unless Baldwin was causing total confusion in the back 3 he wasn't to blame for at least the first 3 goals yesterday and was also the pick of the back 3 on Tuesday. JB seems to love his scapegoats and Baldwin seems the latest, problem is for him is he's running out of BG's players to blame. Go look at the player ratings for Baldwin I’m not saying he was to blame for a shambolic team performance, only that he doesn’t inspire any confidence in me when I see his name on the team sheet! A Posh mate told me when we signed him that he always has a mistake or 2 in him per game. Usually costly for us? I think he is right after nearly 2 seasons? HooleDay Every Day at right back for me! UTG
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Post by bluebiro on Aug 22, 2021 8:55:36 GMT
I agree. His backline recruitment is costing him. We don’t have any out and out full backs who are any good or with pace. I’m not convinced at all that anderton is a left back. He’s big slow and ponderous. A typical centre half that we sign. Clarke’s a wing back and hooles not ready yet IMO. Not only do we need a decent centre half with pace the full back positions need sorting as well. Unless he plans on playing 3 at the back all season. An absolute mess. From what I have read, and what JB has said, I think the plan is a back 3 this season so I think he will continue with it. Anderton is a strange one, yesterday he was awful but I have been impressed with him up until that point, I know not everyone will share that opinion but I don’t think he was helped yesterday having what looked like a unfit Anderson outside him playing out of position and providing him with no cover that probably didnt help him. Anderson is carrying a injury and would probably not have played if clarke was fit. Having clarke back will make a difference. As Barton said you do need to get players back into their right positions. One more forward as the target man needed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 9:15:23 GMT
OK the team may not be a full strength yet but that first half performance must rank with some of the worst in our club's recent history. Whether that was down to poor players or poor attitudes or poor coaching and organisation, I'm not sure or perhaps Clint Hill walking out caused some disruption in the camp. Who knows and despite Barton's eloquence, I've still no clue why things were so poor.
Barrow will be a test of character. It's a long journey and not a easy place to go but it's a game that should be won with good preparation, right mindset and determination. I think next week will tell us a lot about whether this squad will compete in League 2.
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 9:32:20 GMT
OK the team may not be a full strength yet but that first half performance must rank with some of the worst in our club's recent history. Whether that was down to poor players or poor attitudes or poor coaching and organisation, I'm not sure or perhaps Clint Hill walking out caused some disruption in the camp. Who knows and despite Barton's eloquence, I've still no clue why things were so poor. Barrow will be a test of character. It's a long journey and not a easy place to go but it's a game that should be won with good preparation, right mindset and determination. I think next week will tell us a lot about whether this squad will compete in League 2. I gritted my teeth and watched Barton's post match interview. As a result I find it incredible that you define him as "eloquent" It was just a word salad, repeats himself constantly, nodding at the pitch, rarely looks the interviewer or camera in the eye. All the hallmarks of a deeply flawed character with an inferiority complex. It is, frankly, quite unnerving to have such a person in charge of the team at our club. The results are just the outcome.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 22, 2021 9:32:24 GMT
From what I have read, and what JB has said, I think the plan is a back 3 this season so I think he will continue with it. Anderton is a strange one, yesterday he was awful but I have been impressed with him up until that point, I know not everyone will share that opinion but I don’t think he was helped yesterday having what looked like a unfit Anderson outside him playing out of position and providing him with no cover that probably didnt help him. Anderson is carrying a injury and would probably not have played if clarke was fit. Having clarke back will make a difference. As Barton said you do need to get players back into their right positions. One more forward as the target man needed. But what team as 100% of it's squad fully fit all the time, there's always going to be players out injured or suspended, yesterday we were hopeless defending down both flanks, plus if Anderson wasn't fit then why did he play most (if not all?) of the match. He seems to me an out and out winger not a WB and I'm not convinced Rodman is one either, apart from in emergencies. Typical Barton he blames a player, Baldwin, for his own failings. The only hope is Kevin Bond is brave enough to tell Barton where he's going wrong.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Aug 22, 2021 9:39:59 GMT
All 3 center backs looked slow and passive yesterday. Some of the free headers that were missed was pathetic. Compared to Exeters defence who were tight to their man, first to the ball and aggressive. God knows what kilgore needs to do to get in that defence! I actually thought Grant did well when he dropped into right centre half, at least he can run and turn unlike Hughes and Baldwin. Barrow are a team of bullies and bruisers, so we need to be much more aggressive and not stand off like we did yesterday.
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Post by p4perlant3rn on Aug 22, 2021 9:49:00 GMT
Mark Hughes what an awful performance. There was one chance that Exeter missed during the first half where Hughes completely lost his man who then had a free header on goal. Hughes then turned to Belshaw and started having a go at him?! Take some responsibility you prat! They were all bad but Hughes was on another level. Woeful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 10:18:21 GMT
OK the team may not be a full strength yet but that first half performance must rank with some of the worst in our club's recent history. Whether that was down to poor players or poor attitudes or poor coaching and organisation, I'm not sure or perhaps Clint Hill walking out caused some disruption in the camp. Who knows and despite Barton's eloquence, I've still no clue why things were so poor. Barrow will be a test of character. It's a long journey and not a easy place to go but it's a game that should be won with good preparation, right mindset and determination. I think next week will tell us a lot about whether this squad will compete in League 2. I gritted my teeth and watched Barton's post match interview. As a result I find it incredible that you define him as "eloquent" It was just a word salad, repeats himself constantly, nodding at the pitch, rarely looks the interviewer or camera in the eye. All the hallmarks of a deeply flawed character with an inferiority complex. It is, frankly, quite unnerving to have such a person in charge of the team at our club. The results are just the outcome. Actually, I do agree with you. I thought from day one Barton was a mistake. Eloquence was the wrong word for such verbiage that actually says very little. I would like him gone but not sure now is the right time. I was probably too diplomatic for concerns of upsetting the Barton lobby yet again. I think the Barrow game will tell us more about Barton and this squad he has assembled.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 10:21:13 GMT
All 3 center backs looked slow and passive yesterday. Some of the free headers that were missed was pathetic. Compared to Exeters defence who were tight to their man, first to the ball and aggressive. God knows what kilgore needs to do to get in that defence! I actually thought Grant did well when he dropped into right centre half, at least he can run and turn unlike Hughes and Baldwin. Barrow are a team of bullies and bruisers, so we need to be much more aggressive and not stand off like we did yesterday. I suspect that in Barton's mind Kilgour's Rovers upbringing works against him. Agree Barrow will test the squad's character and desire to fight for a result.
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 10:27:08 GMT
I gritted my teeth and watched Barton's post match interview. As a result I find it incredible that you define him as "eloquent" It was just a word salad, repeats himself constantly, nodding at the pitch, rarely looks the interviewer or camera in the eye. All the hallmarks of a deeply flawed character with an inferiority complex. It is, frankly, quite unnerving to have such a person in charge of the team at our club. The results are just the outcome. Actually, I do agree with you. I thought from day one Barton was a mistake. Eloquence was the wrong word for such verbiage that actually says very little. I would like him gone but not sure now is the right time. I was probably too diplomatic for concerns of upsetting the Barton lobby yet again. I think the Barrow game will tell us more about Barton and this squad he has assembled. Yes, agree with you. Its going to be an interesting couple of weeks. Personally I always want the team to win, but I would like Barton out of the club as soon as possible. If two losses are the cost over the next weeks, that for me is a price worth paying.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Aug 22, 2021 10:51:08 GMT
OK the team may not be a full strength yet but that first half performance must rank with some of the worst in our club's recent history. Whether that was down to poor players or poor attitudes or poor coaching and organisation, I'm not sure or perhaps Clint Hill walking out caused some disruption in the camp. Who knows and despite Barton's eloquence, I've still no clue why things were so poor. Barrow will be a test of character. It's a long journey and not a easy place to go but it's a game that should be won with good preparation, right mindset and determination. I think next week will tell us a lot about whether this squad will compete in League 2. I gritted my teeth and watched Barton's post match interview. As a result I find it incredible that you define him as "eloquent" It was just a word salad, repeats himself constantly, nodding at the pitch, rarely looks the interviewer or camera in the eye. All the hallmarks of a deeply flawed character with an inferiority complex. It is, frankly, quite unnerving to have such a person in charge of the team at our club. The results are just the outcome. Have to agree with you there - his interviews are just a mish-mash of misquotes and mixed metaphors
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Post by socrates on Aug 22, 2021 11:16:34 GMT
Yep sacking Barton so soon would be crazy . Most said he deserves a window and 10–15 Minimum games with his players I think most still think that. I do. I don’t like him and I’m far from convinced he will turn this club around in the next couple of months but having signed him and backed him it would be stupid to not give him a little bit more time at the very least. We are only 4 games in. But if something is clearly not working why keep backing it? It seems to me the players just gave up today, which must be worrying for Wael given they were now mostly JB's players. They were poor v Mansfield, Stevenage and Cheltenham, good for 45 mins v Oldham then shocking today, it's hardly an improvement on the end of last season. I agree but let’s say Wael Sacks Barton and brings a new manager in, we’ll all say “let’s give this new manager a window and 15 games to see what he can do with his players “ But we wouldn’t have done that with Barton would we ? Clubs that go through 3 managers a season get relegated as we saw last season. We need to hold our nerve for at least another 6-7 games in my opinion.
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Post by keygas on Aug 22, 2021 12:07:33 GMT
We signed all these northern based players to add some steel & grit to the squad & all come with plenty of experience and in most cases were highly recommended by fans of their previous clubs. Yet in that opening half they looked like they didn’t want to be here, just hard to fathom what we need to do, weather it’s a mental or coaching problem ,something needs to happen or I can see a few more drubbings on the card. The only bright spark for me was the introduction of Hanlon who started to ask questions of the Exeter defence, but that was probably due to the fact that he’s now in the shop window for a move.& wanted to impress.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 22, 2021 12:16:13 GMT
We signed all these northern based players to add some steel & grit to the squad & all come with plenty of experience and in most cases were highly recommended by fans of their previous clubs. Yet in that opening half they looked like they didn’t want to be here, just hard to fathom what we need to do, weather it’s a mental or coaching problem ,something needs to happen or I can see a few more drubbings on the card. The only bright spark for me was the introduction of Hanlon who started to ask questions of the Exeter defence, but that was probably due to the fact that he’s now in the shop window for a move.& wanted to impress. They'll probably be better against Barrow in their natural environment. Hopefully there'll be a blizzard.
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