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Aug 23, 2021 9:46:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 9:46:27 GMT
Stats mean nothing a lot of the time. Exeter took their foot of the pedal in the second half. The half we had 12 shots and an average of 61% possession. Stop trying to gloss over the fact that we are sh**. True, some passes create chances some just take you backwards but they all count in the stats. Similarly, a shot that hits the post counts the same as one that balloons over the stand.
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2021 9:46:27 GMT
Here's some proper stats. I'm tired of this fuzzy thinking and ridiculous straw clutching that is going on. We want hard facts, indisputable actuality. Here's a celebration from Saturday: What have we got. Jay, and number 20 and number 12. What could this mean, only one thing. J is for John, so John 20:12, which is a clear reference to the bible. If we look up John 20:12 we get "and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesusβ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot." This is a clear reference to football (heading and kicking, obviously). Who might play in white, Leeds, of course. But let's not get carried way. Shrewsbury Away kit was white when Leon Clarke was there and also the seldom seen Hearts of Midlothian away kit was white when Glen Whelan was there. This is a clear reference to the two prospective players training with us. These stats prove beyond any doubt, I think we can all agree, that our 'saviours' will be Glen Whelan and Leon Clarke. I've practically proven it through the use of stats. πππ Brilliant Antonio The only stat that we dont need to argue over is a 4 in 23 win ratio...
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Aug 23, 2021 9:46:33 GMT
Post by stevek192 on Aug 23, 2021 9:46:33 GMT
Shell shocked is the only way I can describe Saturdays defending. Every shot they had went in in the first twenty minutes and I had visions of 7-0 or worse- it was one of those games where you hope it will give us the kick up the ass we need. At this moment in time like last season I am not very impressed with any of our defenders- you couldnt get a slower bunch!
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Post by percy on Aug 23, 2021 9:48:30 GMT
Saw a comment from an Exeter fan saying Rovers looked good going forward, but thatβs no good when the defence parted like the Red Sea. What annoyed me was even before the first goal they were using their flanks to get behind us with ease & we were unable to change our system to cope with it. My biggest concern here. Why didnt JB change shape (or even players) after the 2nd goal. Ok we improved 2nd half (or Exeter stopped trying) but to watch 4 and what could have been 7 or 8 goals in the first half hour without attempting to fix the issue is pretty pathetic management. But it s ok, its never happened to a Barton team before according to his interview.
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Aug 23, 2021 9:49:49 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2021 9:49:49 GMT
Shell shocked is the only way I can describe Saturdays defending. Every shot they had went in in the first twenty minutes and I had visions of 7-0 or worse- it was one of those games where you hope it will give us the kick up the ass we need. At this moment in time like last season I am not very impressed with any of our defenders- you couldnt get a slower bunch! Our start to the season before Saturday should have been a kick up the ass. We didnt need to be 4 down in 25 minutes to emphasise the point, did we? Surely.
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Aug 23, 2021 9:51:08 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2021 9:51:08 GMT
Saw a comment from an Exeter fan saying Rovers looked good going forward, but thatβs no good when the defence parted like the Red Sea. What annoyed me was even before the first goal they were using their flanks to get behind us with ease & we were unable to change our system to cope with it. My biggest concern here. Why didnt JB change shape (or even players) after the 2nd goal. Ok we improved 2nd half (or Exeter stopped trying) but to watch 4 and what could have been 7 or 8 goals in the first half hour without attempting to fix the issue is pretty pathetic management. But it s ok, its never happened to a Barton team before according to his interview. Perhaps Barton is dyslexic.
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Aug 23, 2021 10:02:28 GMT
Post by stevek192 on Aug 23, 2021 10:02:28 GMT
Oldie, I agree with you that it shouldn't require a hammering but sometimes it does.The problem with the Mansfield game was it could all be put down to an awful referee and bad luck to go down to 10 men and concede an 96th minute penalty. The Stevenage game it could be looked on that we were still 4 or 5 players short and when we had them back on Tuesday possibly it could be looked on that the corner had been turned.We can but hope now that Saturdays defeat was the rock bottom!
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Aug 23, 2021 10:15:01 GMT
Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 23, 2021 10:15:01 GMT
Shell shocked is the only way I can describe Saturdays defending. Every shot they had went in in the first twenty minutes and I had visions of 7-0 or worse- it was one of those games where you hope it will give us the kick up the ass we need. At this moment in time like last season I am not very impressed with any of our defenders- you couldnt get a slower bunch! Our start to the season before Saturday should have been a kick up the ass. We didnt need to be 4 down in 25 minutes to emphasise the point, did we? Surely. How do you know you don't want to be 4-0 down until you've experienced it? Oh, yeah, maths.
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Aug 23, 2021 10:17:30 GMT
Post by dragonfly on Aug 23, 2021 10:17:30 GMT
Oldie, I agree with you that it shouldn't require a hammering but sometimes it does.The problem with the Mansfield game was it could all be put down to an awful referee and bad luck to go down to 10 men and concede an 96th minute penalty. The Stevenage game it could be looked on that we were still 4 or 5 players short and when we had them back on Tuesday possibly it could be looked on that the corner had been turned.We can but hope now that Saturdays defeat was the rock bottom! It could also be that some of our Team are not fit enough to play 3 games in 8 days.
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Aug 23, 2021 10:44:37 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2021 10:44:37 GMT
Oldie, I agree with you that it shouldn't require a hammering but sometimes it does.The problem with the Mansfield game was it could all be put down to an awful referee and bad luck to go down to 10 men and concede an 96th minute penalty. The Stevenage game it could be looked on that we were still 4 or 5 players short and when we had them back on Tuesday possibly it could be looked on that the corner had been turned.We can but hope now that Saturdays defeat was the rock bottom! Perhaps But I dont buy into any of that. It is just excuses, trotted out with boring regularity. Lets hope we beat Barrow, if not then another round of excuses. I am waiting for a classic "The wrong sort of grass" Anyone?
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Aug 23, 2021 10:47:29 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2021 10:47:29 GMT
Our start to the season before Saturday should have been a kick up the ass. We didnt need to be 4 down in 25 minutes to emphasise the point, did we? Surely. How do you know you don't want to be 4-0 down until you've experienced it? Oh, yeah, maths. Maffs??. Dont come on here getting all smart and quoting maths. Winning the 2nd half 1-0 but losing the game 4-1 is the new definition of winning a game.πππ
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Aug 23, 2021 11:00:25 GMT
Post by I Voted For Kodos on Aug 23, 2021 11:00:25 GMT
Oldie, I agree with you that it shouldn't require a hammering but sometimes it does.The problem with the Mansfield game was it could all be put down to an awful referee and bad luck to go down to 10 men and concede an 96th minute penalty. The Stevenage game it could be looked on that we were still 4 or 5 players short and when we had them back on Tuesday possibly it could be looked on that the corner had been turned.We can but hope now that Saturdays defeat was the rock bottom! It could also be that some of our Team are not fit enough to play 3 games in 8 days. Definitely an interesting point. Barton said post-Oldham that Rodman was only supposed to play 60 minutes, Finley and Collins 75, but all three ended up playing the full 90 against Oldham and then starting against Exeter.
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Post by richie on Aug 23, 2021 12:37:15 GMT
at least we're having shots now, 3 games ago we were all creating about that!
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Aug 23, 2021 13:24:38 GMT
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Post by LJG on Aug 23, 2021 13:24:38 GMT
How do you know you don't want to be 4-0 down until you've experienced it? Oh, yeah, maths. Maffs??. Dont come on here getting all smart and quoting maths. Winning the 2nd half 1-0 but losing the game 4-1 is the new definition of winning a game.πππ Worrying isn't it how remarkably similar the start of this season is to the start of the last one. People claiming that last season's sh**e form can be explained away because the manager hadn't recruited those players (despite another manager having had them performing to a better standard) and then the bizarre interpretation of "stats" to tell us we'd won games that the EFL has recorded us as having drawn or lost.
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Post by LJG on Aug 23, 2021 13:34:16 GMT
Here's some proper stats. I'm tired of this fuzzy thinking and ridiculous straw clutching that is going on. We want hard facts, indisputable actuality. Here's a celebration from Saturday: What have we got. Jay, and number 20 and number 12. What could this mean, only one thing. J is for John, so John 20:12, which is a clear reference to the bible. If we look up John 20:12 we get "and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesusβ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot." This is a clear reference to football (heading and kicking, obviously). Who might play in white, Leeds, of course. But let's not get carried way. Shrewsbury Away kit was white when Leon Clarke was there and also the seldom seen Hearts of Midlothian away kit was white when Glen Whelan was there. This is a clear reference to the two prospective players training with us. These stats prove beyond any doubt, I think we can all agree, that our 'saviours' will be Glen Whelan and Leon Clarke. I've practically proven it through the use of stats. I expect Barton probably did have a Brown Jay-Key after 25 minutes on Saturday.
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Aug 23, 2021 14:00:21 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2021 14:00:21 GMT
Maffs??. Dont come on here getting all smart and quoting maths. Winning the 2nd half 1-0 but losing the game 4-1 is the new definition of winning a game.πππ Worrying isn't it how remarkably similar the start of this season is to the start of the last one. People claiming that last season's sh**e form can be explained away because the manager hadn't recruited those players (despite another manager having had them performing to a better standard) and then the bizarre interpretation of "stats" to tell us we'd won games that the EFL has recorded us as having drawn or lost. Indeed it is. Which is the point of reviewing where we are as a club and telling the truth.
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Aug 23, 2021 14:48:25 GMT
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Post by LJG on Aug 23, 2021 14:48:25 GMT
Oldie, I agree with you that it shouldn't require a hammering but sometimes it does.The problem with the Mansfield game was it could all be put down to an awful referee and bad luck to go down to 10 men and concede an 96th minute penalty. The Stevenage game it could be looked on that we were still 4 or 5 players short and when we had them back on Tuesday possibly it could be looked on that the corner had been turned.We can but hope now that Saturdays defeat was the rock bottom! Ahh so it was a tactical 4-1 dicking! I knew you'd find an excuse somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 15:07:59 GMT
The only reason we had so much possession is because we took most of the kick offs.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 23, 2021 15:21:50 GMT
I think these stats help us see things in a balanced light. Emotions on there own rarely help when making decisions. Need facts and emotion. Thanks for this Steve. Love your posts. ππ We were losing 4-0 at half time after a shocking defensive display. We don't need to see things in a balanced light as the second half stats are meaningless in the context of the outcome of the game.
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Aug 23, 2021 15:28:23 GMT
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Post by bluestone on Aug 23, 2021 15:28:23 GMT
Interesting stats, but a team that canβt defend and canβt score is in deep trouble. Those stats suggest we canβt do either. Deja vu!
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