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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Sept 28, 2021 8:10:04 GMT
Josh has all the attributes to be a good player. However he does drift in and out of games. When we are under pressure quite often you don't notice him for the that spell of the game, but when he is involved we are usually on the front foot. I think it's a case of him learning the game still, he needs to improve his positional sense. Probably doesn't help not knowing his strongest position having learned a defenders role as a youngster but only playing for a couple of seasons as a midfielder. Maybe some work with our experienced midfield could improve his game.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 28, 2021 8:40:06 GMT
Said in the match thread and I'll say it again...grant dropped, we play our best match of the season and win. Coincidence? I think not. Nonsense. You could just as well say Nicholson, Thomas, Clarke, Clarke, Anderton, Hughes dropped, we play our best match of the season and win. Coincidence? I think not. Grant has been consistently poor since the start of last season. The others don't deserve to be put in that same category. Like someone else said I would have Ollie Clarke over him and I don't rate OC very highly.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 28, 2021 8:41:57 GMT
This place is great, finally we get that elusive away win and it gets used to hammer a player that didn't play, priceless. Grant has been picked regularly by 3 different managers and is one of the few to survive the great JB cull despite bringing in Coutts, Whelan & Finley who all play the same midfield role. Defensive midfielders are notoriously underrated, go back to Twerton days Andy Reece was a prime example. Sometimes the dirty work they do goes unnoticed, personally I think the same thing is true with Grant. Regularly picked by 3 different managers isn't a good thing when those managers haven't been performing well. Ogogo and Sinclair were much better at his job.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 28, 2021 9:48:40 GMT
Nonsense. You could just as well say Nicholson, Thomas, Clarke, Clarke, Anderton, Hughes dropped, we play our best match of the season and win. Coincidence? I think not. Grant has been consistently poor since the start of last season. The others don't deserve to be put in that same category. Like someone else said I would have Ollie Clarke over him and I don't rate OC very highly. GGMI You should prefix your points with "In my opinion" and not rattle them off as if they are facts - they are just your opinion
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 28, 2021 9:52:29 GMT
Grant has been consistently poor since the start of last season. The others don't deserve to be put in that same category. Like someone else said I would have Ollie Clarke over him and I don't rate OC very highly. GGMI You should prefix your points with "In my opinion" and not rattle them off as if they are facts - they are just your opinion My opinions are facts don't you know 😉 and no I'm not Benitez.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 28, 2021 9:55:37 GMT
GGMI You should prefix your points with "In my opinion" and not rattle them off as if they are facts - they are just your opinion My opinions are facts don't you know 😉 and no I'm not Benitez. Slippery slope mate slippery slope
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Post by mftc on Sept 28, 2021 15:29:46 GMT
I was crap, but I had enough common sense to pass to good players.
If Nicholson plays, it might lead to an asset, but without him, who do you pass to?
Before we played a top local school team full of players on City, Saints, Norwich books, a former coach said so and so was average and so was another. He then quoted "an average player in a brilliant team looks good. An average player in a crap team looks crap".
Our players over the last two seasons have basically been average. If Grant was playing with Cureton, Hayles and Roberts, he would have loafs of assists and he would be regarded as a star.
If we don't give him a contract extension, I fully expect him to be in league 1.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 28, 2021 17:41:29 GMT
This place is great, finally we get that elusive away win and it gets used to hammer a player that didn't play, priceless. Grant has been picked regularly by 3 different managers and is one of the few to survive the great JB cull despite bringing in Coutts, Whelan & Finley who all play the same midfield role. Defensive midfielders are notoriously underrated, go back to Twerton days Andy Reece was a prime example. Sometimes the dirty work they do goes unnoticed, personally I think the same thing is true with Grant. The fact that you can remember Reece after 30 years would suggest he wasn't underrated. Do you think anyone will remember Grant in 2 years time? It's not unreasonable to look at Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss Win and say "hmmm...what's different?" Grant was picked because Garner brought him in and shipped Ogogo out. Tis attempted to reverse that decision so its hardly fair to say he stuck with Grant. Barton, I'm not sure he knows what he is doing. I was pro Barton but he has proven himself to be utterly sh** so far, so him picking Grant is hardly a ringing endorsement is it.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 28, 2021 17:44:17 GMT
This place is great, finally we get that elusive away win and it gets used to hammer a player that didn't play, priceless. Grant has been picked regularly by 3 different managers and is one of the few to survive the great JB cull despite bringing in Coutts, Whelan & Finley who all play the same midfield role. Defensive midfielders are notoriously underrated, go back to Twerton days Andy Reece was a prime example. Sometimes the dirty work they do goes unnoticed, personally I think the same thing is true with Grant. The fact that you can remember Reece after 30 years would suggest he wasn't underrated. Do you think anyone will remember Grant in 2 years time? It's not unreasonable to look at Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss Win and say "hmmm...what's different?" Grant was picked because Garner brought him in and shipped Ogogo out. Tis attempted to reverse that decision so its hardly fair to say he stuck with Grant. Barton, I'm not sure he knows what he is doing. I was pro Barton but he has proven himself to be utterly sh** so far, so him picking Grant is hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Reece was my favourite player !!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 28, 2021 17:46:44 GMT
The fact that you can remember Reece after 30 years would suggest he wasn't underrated. Do you think anyone will remember Grant in 2 years time? It's not unreasonable to look at Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss Win and say "hmmm...what's different?" Grant was picked because Garner brought him in and shipped Ogogo out. Tis attempted to reverse that decision so its hardly fair to say he stuck with Grant. Barton, I'm not sure he knows what he is doing. I was pro Barton but he has proven himself to be utterly sh** so far, so him picking Grant is hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Reece was my favourite player !! Hahahhah.
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Post by Quarters on Sept 28, 2021 17:53:08 GMT
This place is great, finally we get that elusive away win and it gets used to hammer a player that didn't play, priceless. Grant has been picked regularly by 3 different managers and is one of the few to survive the great JB cull despite bringing in Coutts, Whelan & Finley who all play the same midfield role. Defensive midfielders are notoriously underrated, go back to Twerton days Andy Reece was a prime example. Sometimes the dirty work they do goes unnoticed, personally I think the same thing is true with Grant. The fact that you can remember Reece after 30 years would suggest he wasn't underrated. Do you think anyone will remember Grant in 2 years time? It's not unreasonable to look at Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss Win and say "hmmm...what's different?" Grant was picked because Garner brought him in and shipped Ogogo out. Tis attempted to reverse that decision so its hardly fair to say he stuck with Grant. Barton, I'm not sure he knows what he is doing. I was pro Barton but he has proven himself to be utterly sh** so far, so him picking Grant is hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Thought Tis played Grant and Ogogo together. Also Tisdale seemed to just pick the most experienced players, as he kept saying he did not know the players.
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Post by 4d on Sept 28, 2021 18:29:00 GMT
Grant is a top defensive midfielder at this level but is exactly the type of player that in unappreciated by most fans who know little about the game.
His positional sense and discipline is first class and he’ll probably go on to play at a higher level. There’s a reason players like McCormick and Finley look better alongside him.
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Post by richie on Sept 28, 2021 19:13:21 GMT
I know lots about the game, Grant is poor IMO, if he was that good he’d have been snapped up by a league1 team with the rest of the wasters
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 28, 2021 19:39:27 GMT
I know lots about the game, Grant is poor IMO, if he was that good he’d have been snapped up by a league1 team with the rest of the wasters Come on richie that’s just wrong. I think we agree that Nicholson is good and he hasn’t been “snapped up by a League 1 team”. I suspect that Grant like Nicholson was wanted by JB and that’s why he’s still here. Decent player who now the “rest of the wasters” have largely gone should get better with some consistency in team selection and pattern of play. UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 28, 2021 21:19:59 GMT
Grant is a top defensive midfielder at this level but is exactly the type of player that in unappreciated by most fans who know little about the game. His positional sense and discipline is first class and he’ll probably go on to play at a higher level. There’s a reason players like McCormick and Finley look better alongside him. Because he's so poor he makes anyone else alongside him look good?
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 28, 2021 22:35:33 GMT
GGMI, I couldnt give a toss whether a player is local or not if they play well. I am not saying Grant has played well all the time but he has certainly performed a lot better than you make out or make up- select whichever you want. The fact three Managers have picked him consistently must mean something because they all know a lot better than you or I.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 29, 2021 5:31:02 GMT
GGMI, I couldnt give a toss whether a player is local or not if they play well. I am not saying Grant has played well all the time but he has certainly performed a lot better than you make out or make up- select whichever you want. The fact three Managers have picked him consistently must mean something because they all know a lot better than you or I. The fact that 3 managers picked him, 2 if which were sacked and the other relegated us and currently has the worse record in Rovers history isn't really something to hold up in Grant's favour is it? Maybe Garner would have made a go of it had he not pushed Ogogo out the door and persisted with Grant?
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Post by richie on Sept 29, 2021 9:28:03 GMT
just to check, we are saying that the best part of Grants game is that he can give a 5 yard pass?
Plays CM, no goals, no assists, doesnt break up play, doesnt defend well, not dominant in the air, does not dictate the pace of the game, does not step back into defence to cover.
but he can give it easy over 5 yards.
... Where do I sign?
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Post by Quarters on Sept 29, 2021 9:36:06 GMT
Interesting Fans know best Ogogo now playing non league. McCormick mid table League One.
Many say both should be at a higher standard, football does not seem to agree.
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Post by richie on Sept 29, 2021 9:41:35 GMT
Interesting Fans know best Ogogo now playing non league. McCormick mid table League One. Many say both should be at a higher standard, football does not seem to agree. apply that logic to every discussion and you'd have a very quiet forum. Fans think that JB should be gone - so perhaps they dont know best? I like many, form my own opinions an players based on what I see and comparing to others and my own expectations. I'd be first to admit that my expectations at times are out of sync but based on the last few years I expected better.
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