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Post by warehamgas on Sept 29, 2021 14:32:08 GMT
Interesting Fans know best Ogogo now playing non league. McCormick mid table League One. Many say both should be at a higher standard, football does not seem to agree. apply that logic to every discussion and you'd have a very quiet forum. Fans think that JB should be gone - so perhaps they dont know best? I like many, form my own opinions an players based on what I see and comparing to others and my own expectations. I'd be first to admit that my expectations at times are out of sync but based on the last few years I expected better.I agree, that’s a fair reply. I do the same, look, see, compare and make a judgement to form an opinion. And I think Grant is ok and will improve. ”It's a funny ol’ game.” 😉 UTG!
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Post by Squiffy on Sept 29, 2021 14:54:58 GMT
apply that logic to every discussion and you'd have a very quiet forum. Fans think that JB should be gone - so perhaps they dont know best? I like many, form my own opinions an players based on what I see and comparing to others and my own expectations. I'd be first to admit that my expectations at times are out of sync but based on the last few years I expected better.I agree, that’s a fair reply. I do the same, look, see, compare and make a judgement to form an opinion. And I think Grant is ok and will improve. ”It's a funny ol’ game.” 😉 UTG! I have deduced that there are two,…no, wait,…three empiricists on this forum. 😉
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 29, 2021 16:21:51 GMT
I agree, that’s a fair reply. I do the same, look, see, compare and make a judgement to form an opinion. And I think Grant is ok and will improve. ”It's a funny ol’ game.” 😉 UTG! I have deduced that there are two,…no, wait,…three empiricists on this forum. 😉 Ha! I have lots of experience of seeing cr** players in the quarters (and very good ones) !! 🤔 UTG!
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Post by Quarters on Oct 3, 2021 11:17:49 GMT
Think we missed him Saturday! Finlay plays better with him. And we seem to have to play Coutts and Whelan in front of the back three to replace him!
Anyone seen anything in Coutts yet?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 3, 2021 11:23:08 GMT
Think we missed him Saturday! Finlay plays better with him. And we seem to have to play Coutts and Whelan in front of the back three to replace him! Anyone seen anything in Coutts yet? Missed Josh Grant?! How desperate have we got!
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Post by singupgas on Oct 3, 2021 11:24:48 GMT
Think we missed him Saturday! Finlay plays better with him. And we seem to have to play Coutts and Whelan in front of the back three to replace him! Anyone seen anything in Coutts yet? No, he is, has been poor imo.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 3, 2021 12:11:10 GMT
Think we missed him Saturday! Finlay plays better with him. And we seem to have to play Coutts and Whelan in front of the back three to replace him! Anyone seen anything in Coutts yet? 100% agree. As crazy as it sounds grant does the work of both coutts and whelan combined meaning when he’s back both can be dropped offering us another midfielder who can get forward. The coutts whelan partnership will continue to get overrun by younger legs in this league. I’m still amazed Barton couldn’t see it yesterday. It was evident to all around me in the stands after about 15 minutes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2021 14:41:19 GMT
Think we missed him Saturday! Finlay plays better with him. And we seem to have to play Coutts and Whelan in front of the back three to replace him! Anyone seen anything in Coutts yet? 100% agree. As crazy as it sounds grant does the work of both coutts and whelan combined meaning when he’s back both can be dropped offering us another midfielder who can get forward. The coutts whelan partnership will continue to get overrun by younger legs in this league. I’m still amazed Barton couldn’t see it yesterday. It was evident to all around me in the stands after about 15 minutes. But we went in 1-0 up? Unfortunately there was no obvious replacement for Whelan or Coutts on the bench. Surely Mehew can't be any worse than those two if he is a DCM?
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 3, 2021 16:48:32 GMT
100% agree. As crazy as it sounds grant does the work of both coutts and whelan combined meaning when he’s back both can be dropped offering us another midfielder who can get forward. The coutts whelan partnership will continue to get overrun by younger legs in this league. I’m still amazed Barton couldn’t see it yesterday. It was evident to all around me in the stands after about 15 minutes. But we went in 1-0 up? Unfortunately there was no obvious replacement for Whelan or Coutts on the bench. Surely Mehew can't be any worse than those two if he is a DCM? We went 1-0 up against the run of play. After about the third minute after evans had put in a a few crunching tackles and I thought here we go then we’re up for this aside from the goal we proceeded to sit deep and show zero attacking intent for the next 87 minutes. We got over ran time and time again in that first half and it was comical seeing coutts and in particular whelan running through treacle to try and get anywhere near their midfielders. It was embarrassing to watch. I couldn’t believe it when whelan came out for the second half. Your right there was no like for like replacement on the bench. Collins or Saunders should have been brought on for whelan and took evans place up top with him dropping back slightly and Finley likewise. Pitman cannot play up front on his own he needs pace alongside him so would have solved that as well. Well I say solved we’d have still got pummelled but at least put up more of a fight.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2021 16:58:57 GMT
But we went in 1-0 up? Unfortunately there was no obvious replacement for Whelan or Coutts on the bench. Surely Mehew can't be any worse than those two if he is a DCM? We went 1-0 up against the run of play. After about the third minute after evans had put in a a few crunching tackles and I thought here we go then we’re up for this aside from the goal we proceeded to sit deep and show zero attacking intent for the next 87 minutes. We got over ran time and time again in that first half and it was comical seeing coutts and in particular whelan running through treacle to try and get anywhere near their midfielders. It was embarrassing to watch. I couldn’t believe it when whelan came out for the second half. Your right there was no like for like replacement on the bench. Collins or Saunders should have been brought on for whelan and took evans place up top with him dropping back slightly and Finley likewise. Pitman cannot play up front on his own he needs pace alongside him so would have solved that as well. Well I say solved we’d have still got pummelled but at least put up more of a fight. But most fans seemed content enough the clap Rovers off at halftime? I didn't think Coutts had too bad a game considering how poor Whelan was alongside him, so effectively he had to do two players roles, then Anderson tried to give him a suicide pass leading up to the equaliser. Not really sure Evans is suited to playing the CM role, you wouldn't put Nicholson there and he's a similar type of player. The two that are suitable, Grant and Martinez, I assume are both out injured.
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Post by TAGas on Oct 3, 2021 16:59:07 GMT
He had one good game that I can remember and that was the 0-0 against Peterborough playing alongside Ogogo.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 3, 2021 19:46:51 GMT
We went 1-0 up against the run of play. After about the third minute after evans had put in a a few crunching tackles and I thought here we go then we’re up for this aside from the goal we proceeded to sit deep and show zero attacking intent for the next 87 minutes. We got over ran time and time again in that first half and it was comical seeing coutts and in particular whelan running through treacle to try and get anywhere near their midfielders. It was embarrassing to watch. I couldn’t believe it when whelan came out for the second half. Your right there was no like for like replacement on the bench. Collins or Saunders should have been brought on for whelan and took evans place up top with him dropping back slightly and Finley likewise. Pitman cannot play up front on his own he needs pace alongside him so would have solved that as well. Well I say solved we’d have still got pummelled but at least put up more of a fight. But most fans seemed content enough the clap Rovers off at halftime? I didn't think Coutts had too bad a game considering how poor Whelan was alongside him, so effectively he had to do two players roles, then Anderson tried to give him a suicide pass leading up to the equaliser. Not really sure Evans is suited to playing the CM role, you wouldn't put Nicholson there and he's a similar type of player. The two that are suitable, Grant and Martinez, I assume are both out injured. No evans in centre mid isn’t ideal but dropping Finley back alongside coutts with Evans just in front would have been a lot better than whelan and offered pitman some support up top with the pace of Collins or Saunders in my opinion. I can’t speak for everyone but half-time felt like we were losing to me as we’d been so poor. I think the atmosphere reflected it too was very subdued considering we were winning. Sad times. :-(.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 3, 2021 20:36:38 GMT
Whatever else happens we have to start next week with three forwards and press the opposition. We cannot just let another very average side be allowed to have so much of the ball. Part of Joeys reluctance to play an attacking formation is the lack of pace at the back who knows perhaps he may go to a four with the injury and suspension. I'm not sure if they will be fit but maybe a flat back four of Grant, Hoole. Martinez and Brown and play an attacking 4-4-2 0r 4-3-3 even.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 3, 2021 20:50:33 GMT
Whatever else happens we have to start next week with three forwards and press the opposition. We cannot just let another very average side be allowed to have so much of the ball. Part of Joeys reluctance to play an attacking formation is the lack of pace at the back who knows perhaps he may go to a four with the injury and suspension. I'm not sure if they will be fit but maybe a flat back four of Grant, Hoole. Martinez and Brown and play an attacking 4-4-2 0r 4-3-3 even. Completely agree Steve. Even if he insists on this bloody 3 at the back at least go 343 and start having a go at teams. If pitman is our only outlet the the best way to use him is to play Collins and Saunders either side of him to at least create something for him to feed off.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 3, 2021 21:05:17 GMT
wallywalters, It is really frustrating to watch at the moment. Due to having Covid yesterday was the first match I have attended since Exeter and I was bored sick even when we were winning. It just seemed like we had 9 defenders and one up front with no attacking intentions whatsoever. Terrible.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2021 21:07:21 GMT
Whatever else happens we have to start next week with three forwards and press the opposition. We cannot just let another very average side be allowed to have so much of the ball. Part of Joeys reluctance to play an attacking formation is the lack of pace at the back who knows perhaps he may go to a four with the injury and suspension. I'm not sure if they will be fit but maybe a flat back four of Grant, Hoole. Martinez and Brown and play an attacking 4-4-2 0r 4-3-3 even. Grant and Martinez seem nowhere near being fit!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2021 21:08:55 GMT
wallywalters, It is really frustrating to watch at the moment. Due to having Covid yesterday was the first match I have attended since Exeter and I was bored sick even when we were winning. It just seemed like we had 9 defenders and one up front with no attacking intentions whatsoever. Terrible. Thought the first half was a good battle, it was hardly boring.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 3, 2021 23:31:33 GMT
Topper Gas, It might have been a good battle but I just felt it was such a dreadful defensive formation it just allowed Swindon possession and most of the time the ball was the either in the Swindon half in their possession or in our half with them in possession. I like to see attacking players involved preferably from my team. The Swindon strikers were dreadful as well!! Sorry not my cup of tea but just a personal opinion. If you enjoyed it then sobeit.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 4, 2021 6:41:07 GMT
Whatever else happens we have to start next week with three forwards and press the opposition. We cannot just let another very average side be allowed to have so much of the ball. Part of Joeys reluctance to play an attacking formation is the lack of pace at the back who knows perhaps he may go to a four with the injury and suspension. I'm not sure if they will be fit but maybe a flat back four of Grant, Hoole. Martinez and Brown and play an attacking 4-4-2 0r 4-3-3 even. Grant and Martinez seem nowhere near being fit! Not sure about Grant but I thought I read that both Martinez & Mehew travelled to recent away games, hopefully they'll both get a game tomorrow in GFA Cup
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Post by bluestone on Oct 4, 2021 7:50:41 GMT
To say the first half was a good battle is overstretching it imo!
What I saw was we started well, pressing Swindon all over the pitch, scored a lovely goal and then she reasons I cannot get my head around suddenly completely changed tactics.
We sat off Swindon deep in our own half, let them completely control the game and have all the possession and proceeded to run around like headless chickens trying to get the ball off then whist Swindon had the freedom to pass it around us at ease.
I was bored from 17 minutes in and couldn't believe that there were no changes at halftime.
Let's not sugarcoat this, our so-called experienced pros were made to look an absolute embarrassment against a young and inexperienced Swindon side.
For those criticising Grant, he would definitely have improved our team and performance in the midfield had he been available Saturday.
Coutts and Whelan don't deserve to wear the quarters imo.
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