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Post by kentgas on Oct 7, 2021 10:18:12 GMT
Most saying Barton should go -- But no one coming up with a suitable replacement. If thats the case then surely he stays. Whats the point in getting rid if there is no suitable replacement ? I can only think of one at present ( Flynn ) and there is no guarantee he would do any better. I also think he is looking to go to a higher club than us. So if thats the case we are stuck with him and so should support him. That seems a bizarre point of view. Just because no one on this forum can come up with a suitable replacement that seems to mean there is no one suitable out there?! As we know, whenever a league manager’s job is advertised or becomes known about then that club is inundated with dozens if not hundreds of applications. I have no doubt that would be the case with Rovers. Whether any would be any more successful is another matter!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 7, 2021 10:20:27 GMT
This doesn't make any sense. You've just said no one is coming up with a replacement, but you've just come up with one (who has been mentioned any number of times), so that's plainly not true. And you said there's no guarantee he will be better. No manager has ever been appointed with a guarantee, obviously, coz their matches take place in the future. The idea that Flynn is the only option and if he won't come here we have to stick with Barton is also plainly untrue. What a terrible justification to stick with a failing manager. But, to be fair, better than Wael's, who just spewed a bit of self-serving rhetoric from JB's autobiography. So what is your solution then ? Who is your choice ? And one that is credible . Flynn, Campbell, Hurst, Garrard, Lambert In any case, this 'if you can't name a replacement' thing is a red herring. Part of running a football club is having a better understanding of potential recruits than the average fan. Also, the only real reason to keep a manager is that you believe he will manage the club to success, either in the short term, long term, or both. I've not seen a post for ages that anyone actually believes JB will bring us success. The only support he seems to get recently is by people saying we're too sh** to appoint anyone any better. Surely that must be condemning by faint praise, in any case.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 7, 2021 10:37:14 GMT
Wael has said he's fully behind JB which under normal circumstances indicates he'll be gone but what do posters think will be the tipping point ? Normally you would say results but with his record as it stands that doesn't seem to be the case. What next, attendances dropping dramatically ? Lots of people on here have stated they won't go until JB does but is that going to lower the crowd sufficiently to make a difference, if those not going are season ticket holders don't they get counted as attending anyway ? Apologies, lots of questions in there but I'm honestly struggling to see where we go from here, I genuinely think he's here until the courts decide otherwise
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 7, 2021 10:40:04 GMT
Wael has said he's fully behind JB which under normal circumstances indicates he'll be gone but what do posters think will be the tipping point ? Normally you would say results but with his record as it stands that doesn't seem to be the case. What next, attendances dropping dramatically ? Lots of people on here have stated they won't go until JB does but is that going to lower the crowd sufficiently to make a difference, if those not going are season ticket holders don't they get counted as attending anyway ? Apologies, lots of questions in there but I'm honestly struggling to see where we go from here, I genuinely think he's here until the courts decide otherwise I don't think many multi-millionaires get found guilt of assault (or whatever he's up for). I think we'll be stuck in mid-table mediocrity for at least another 12 months.
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 7, 2021 10:56:59 GMT
Wael has said he's fully behind JB which under normal circumstances indicates he'll be gone but what do posters think will be the tipping point ? Normally you would say results but with his record as it stands that doesn't seem to be the case. What next, attendances dropping dramatically ? Lots of people on here have stated they won't go until JB does but is that going to lower the crowd sufficiently to make a difference, if those not going are season ticket holders don't they get counted as attending anyway ? Apologies, lots of questions in there but I'm honestly struggling to see where we go from here, I genuinely think he's here until the courts decide otherwise I don't think many multi-millionaires get found guilt of assault (or whatever he's up for). I think we'll be stuck in mid-table mediocrity for at least another 12 months.I'd take that right now. Sadly, I think the signs point towards a relegation battle if Barton stays.
Personally, I think he should have already been shown the door but surely Saturday has to be make or break.
Carlisle have only won 2 games all season and are only above us on goal difference. They haven't won a league game since 4th September. If we can't beat them I really don't know where our next 3 points are coming from.
We've played 3 of the bottom 4 but none of the top 3. It's not like we've had a tough start.
He may survice a draw if we see an improved performance but another defeat would surely be the final straw.
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Post by barumgas on Oct 7, 2021 16:05:57 GMT
He should go today and take his backroom team with him I will even offer to pay his bus fare Thats fair enough -- But you've got to bring in someone decent to replace him. What are your thoughts ? Please don't say Darrel Clarke, Graham Coughlan, Holloway or anyone else thats previously been here as they all left because they either ran out of ideas or were not up for the job. Until he is shown the door we won't know who is available as there will be other candidates looking for a new job as the season progresses. However even though it won't happen I would have DC back, but he is sensible enough to stay clear as he is doing a good job at Port Vale
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 7, 2021 16:13:25 GMT
I may be happy to go down again?? What a ridiculous thing to say🤣 Well if you want the board to do nothing because you don't trust them, you are therefore, in my opinion, choosing relegation. Why choose that? Because that is in effect what you are doing. Hence my comment.
Like you, I don't trust them either to make the right choice but I rather we try something to avoid relegation because doing nothing is not an option.
When was the last time a league club was relegated in October, particularly one not even in the relegation zone?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 7, 2021 16:29:23 GMT
I said on the other thread well before he became available that Flynn would be my choice, he lives reasonably local so will, hopefully understand how Rovers operate, Newport also seem a bit of a basket case set up, he also knows how to get a L2 side into the play offs.
The down sides are Rovers could be a big step up, fan base/crowds wise/playing budget wise and he's also use to working with a decent DoF, Lennie Lawrence, previously at Newport.
I can't think of any other candidate who comes close, Sol Campbell would be bigger gamble in my view.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 7, 2021 16:42:57 GMT
So, What is the answer in your opinion? For me recruiting a bloke like Barton was a huge mistake, both in terms of public perception football ability. This has come to pass. So what do we do, not act? Carry on with this utter farce in blind faith that things will correct themselves? It's utter madness. i don’t trust our board to make another appointment! Full stop. In my 41 years of support, I’m pretty sure I’ve never known a manager, to come in and stop relegation. You may remember differently?? Pretty sure Coughlan turned our season around when he replaced DC?
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Post by Kipper on Oct 7, 2021 17:57:32 GMT
Barton should go along with the board including Wael!
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 7, 2021 18:45:29 GMT
Thats fair enough -- But you've got to bring in someone decent to replace him. What are your thoughts ? Please don't say Darrel Clarke, Graham Coughlan, Holloway or anyone else thats previously been here as they all left because they either ran out of ideas or were not up for the job. Until he is shown the door we won't know who is available as there will be other candidates looking for a new job as the season progresses. However even though it won't happen I would have DC back, but he is sensible enough to stay clear as he is doing a good job at Port Vale I wouldn’t wish this horror show on D.C. 😩! 💙
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 7, 2021 18:47:26 GMT
Barton should go along with the board including Wael! Problem there he is the owner suppose mike Ashley is looking for a club 😁😁😁
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Post by aghast on Oct 7, 2021 19:22:25 GMT
Until he is shown the door we won't know who is available as there will be other candidates looking for a new job as the season progresses. However even though it won't happen I would have DC back, but he is sensible enough to stay clear as he is doing a good job at Port Vale I wouldn’t wish this horror show on D.C. 😩! 💙 Can't see any chance of DC coming back, sadly. Why would he? He's at a club with a decent stadium, with untapped potential, and a side he's built which is doing very well. Maybe in a few years if his stock has fallen. But probably not even then.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 7, 2021 19:26:33 GMT
Oh I agree , it was just mentioned on this thread ! 💙
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 7, 2021 19:27:39 GMT
I’m very happy to seeing him doing well at vale - hope it continues 👍
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Post by cj on Oct 7, 2021 20:53:41 GMT
Well if you want the board to do nothing because you don't trust them, you are therefore, in my opinion, choosing relegation. Why choose that? Because that is in effect what you are doing. Hence my comment.
Like you, I don't trust them either to make the right choice but I rather we try something to avoid relegation because doing nothing is not an option.
When was the last time a league club was relegated in October, particularly one not even in the relegation zone? Who said we are already relegated? We will get relegated doing nothing and keeping JB but obviously not relegated yet. Bizarre post. Oh well. Hope you are well Topper
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Post by gaschat on Oct 7, 2021 21:02:11 GMT
Wael has said he's fully behind JB which under normal circumstances indicates he'll be gone but what do posters think will be the tipping point ? Normally you would say results but with his record as it stands that doesn't seem to be the case. What next, attendances dropping dramatically ? Lots of people on here have stated they won't go until JB does but is that going to lower the crowd sufficiently to make a difference, if those not going are season ticket holders don't they get counted as attending anyway ? Apologies, lots of questions in there but I'm honestly struggling to see where we go from here, I genuinely think he's here until the courts decide otherwise I don't think many multi-millionaires get found guilt of assault (or whatever he's up for). I think we'll be stuck in mid-table mediocrity for at least another 12 months. I very much doubt he is a multi millionaire, in fact I suspect he is skint and desperately needs the money and as no one else will offer him a job he is burying his pride and sticking with us. When we appointed him we really were scrapping the bottom of the barrel as, in his mind at least, was he. In regards to “mid-table mediocrity”…I wish!!
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 7, 2021 22:03:45 GMT
Worth 6)7 million according to wiki - who knows .? 💙
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 8, 2021 7:27:30 GMT
Well if you want the board to do nothing because you don't trust them, you are therefore, in my opinion, choosing relegation. Why choose that? Because that is in effect what you are doing. Hence my comment.
Like you, I don't trust them either to make the right choice but I rather we try something to avoid relegation because doing nothing is not an option.
When was the last time a league club was relegated in October, particularly one not even in the relegation zone? Last year, Bristol Rovers FC, under Ben Garner. How we managed to stay out of the relegation spots at the start of the season I do not know. We were destined for relegation.
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Post by carlts2020 on Oct 8, 2021 8:01:18 GMT
This poll should be a vote on whether Starnes goes or not. Get rid now and bring someone competent in.
That way we see it JB is the problem or it’s the CEO.
If JB doesn’t improve by end of November then you change him.
If Widdrington has been sidelined and nothing has changed the only remaining common denominator is Starnes.
Starnes Out
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